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 Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:23 am
SUPERSQUIRRELX I would think so, because God only hates sin. He still loves us even though we are full of sin, I guess it's the same way with Satan. Satan has became sin though, there is no redemption for Satan. God does hate satan, but God is also just in all His ways, making it a just hate. God can hate, but yes God is also love and it is a sin to hate your brother. But God is also perfect, therefor making His hate for Satan a perfect and just hate. And since we are not perfect it is a sin for us hate. Like we are allowed to hate satan, because satan is sin and we are suppose to hate sin. Like when it comes to people though; "sinners" we are suppose to hate the sin and not the sinner because they sinned and are not sin its self like Satan has become.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:34 am
Litia_Echo Satan has became sin though, there is no redemption for Satan. God does hate satan, Where in the Bible does it say this? Quote: but God is also just in all His ways, making it a just hate. God can hate, but yes God is also love and it is a sin to hate your brother. Ah, while it is a sin to hate our brother, it is not a sin to hate our brother's sin. So, what's up with the double standard? Quote: But God is also perfect, therefor making His hate for Satan a perfect and just hate. And since we are not perfect it is a sin for us hate. This makes no sense. It is a sin to hate. However, the Perfect Being, He Who Is Without Sin, can hate. See the discrepency? Really, where does everyone get the idea that The Satan is sin? As far as I've read, he was just the first thing to sin.
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:18 am
Cometh The Inquisitor Litia_Echo Satan has became sin though, there is no redemption for Satan. God does hate satan, Where in the Bible does it say this? Read at the bottom. Cometh The Inquisitor Quote: but God is also just in all His ways, making it a just hate. God can hate, but yes God is also love and it is a sin to hate your brother. Ah, while it is a sin to hate our brother, it is not a sin to hate our brother's sin. So, what's up with the double standard? It is not double standards in anyways. "If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother." 1 John 4:20-21 We are to love our brother; but not the sin. Again Romans 12:9 I have another verse for that too if you'd like. Cometh The Inquisitor Quote: But God is also perfect, therefor making His hate for Satan a perfect and just hate. And since we are not perfect it is a sin for us hate. This makes no sense. It is a sin to hate. However, the Perfect Being, He Who Is Without Sin, can hate. See the discrepency? "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good." Romans 12:9 Sin is evil, hate was is evil; hate sin. God is the perfect being, "There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:" Proverbs 6:16 (you can read on if you want to) Cometh The Inquisitor Really, where does everyone get the idea that The Satan is sin? As far as I've read, he was just the first thing to sin. I have look through and studied up on that... I guess I'm so use to taking what some of my leaders at my youthgroup say on that. You are right and thank you. I learned my lesson to review for myself and not just take what people tell me; even if strong leaders of Christ. "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44 What do you think agree or saying that satan is the father of sin. I guess you could say. (sorry if some of my setances are chopy and kinda confusing)
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:19 am
I think He does because we are born as a sinner, so why are we so different. I wonder what would happen if Satan were to turn good. Would that mean there won't be much of a hell or would someone else just take over? GAAH! I still shout GO GOD!
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:35 pm
But really what does it matter!! haha! Quote: Okay back to why Hell was created for Satan and his angels. You see people can be forgiven, but Satan will not and cannot. Satan will never stop bringing evil until, the world, until he is thrown in the lake of fire. Humans can reason but Satan cannot, and I know all of what I am saying may seem like repetitive but it all comes to a point. I believe that God created Hell for Satan because he needed to totally distance himself from evil, and he did not want a huge war to erupt in Heaven, think of what went on in Heaven at that time. Even though people do sin, God hates sin; he wants all people to live and none to perish. But did he say he wished for Satan to repent and come back to Heaven? No, God knows Satan will never repent, in Genies 3:1 is the first reference I can see of Satan in (the beginning of time), and in Revelation 20:1-10 this is the last reference I could find of Satan, (this has not happened yet) So you can see where Satan will not repent, because Satan is angry with God, I believe that people who go to Hell are angry with God, hence Satan is angry with God. Now back to God, I cannot find it in the Bible where it says God hates Satan, God hates iniquity. God judges Satan, because what is God? A Holy and Just Judge. When you are covered in the blood of the lamb you turn your back on sin and the devil you do not even think about sin and the devil because we should not be concerned about that. Our life style will determine if we love Satan or not. Doctrine that has no relevance to us, should not be made a point. And I am not trying to bash you; you asked a question so I gave my response I asked the same question on my youthgroups board and this is one of the answers I got. So enjoy!
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:37 pm
zeroshi GAAH! I still shout GO GOD! GO GOD GO GOD GO GOD! YOU ROCK, MMHMM! OH YEAH! rolleyes
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:11 am
I think God loves Satan. He loves everyone and everything. Satan was at one point His right hand man in heaven, the Angel of Light. Lucifer, Light Bringer. He is not the same now as he was before he was corrupted, but he is still God's creation. One of His first angels.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:10 am
Cometh The Inquisitor Personally, I believe that God loves all of his creations, be they earthly or supernatural. I believe that, despite The Satan's rebellion, God loves him and wishes him to turn from his ways. This is not in the Bible, to my belief, this is just what I believe. God does not love satan! He hates evil, and the devil is evil, said by an earlier post. This is what you believe? If you are a Christian, you go by God's Word not your own, because the flesh will fail you. That is why God made the Bible, so we would not make our own foolish decisions without His approval. EDIT: To the post above me. God loves all, true. God does not love evil. He hates it. God hates satan. Let me explain. Lucifer was one of His great angels, yes. The musical one too. (that's how he makes his music so sugarcoated) But being one of God's greatest, the 2nd high, satan knew God, in all His ways. So it's his fault. And the other fallen angels. From GotQuestions.org Question: "Why doesn't God give Satan and the fallen angels a chance to repent?" Answer: The Bible does not specifically tell us whether God ever gave the fallen angels an opportunity to repent. Satan (Lucifer) was one of the highest angels, perhaps the highest (Ezekiel 28:14). Lucifer knew God in all His glory. For Lucifer and the other angels to rebel despite what they knew about God, it is the utmost of evil. This likely results in God not giving Satan and the other fallen angels the opportunity to repent. Further, the Bible gives us no reason to believe they would repent even if God gave them the chance (1 Peter 5: cool . The fallen angels seem completely devoted to opposing God and attacking God's people. The Bible tells us that one of the things God judges on is how much knowledge of Him a person possesses (Luke 12:4 cool . The fallen angels, then, are even much more deserving of God’s wrath because of the exceedingly great knowledge they had about God.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:54 am
But just because they are deserving of his wrath does not mean he hates them. God must bring holy judgement to all sinners, because he is righteous and abhores sin, but he still loves them because they are his creations. The thing he hates is the object sin, not the people that commit the sins. The people that commit the sins are merely held responsible for their actions and judged by God, not hated. Therefore, I do believe God loves Satan; he's just going to hold him accountable for all his sins during the last days. Maybe that makes sense eek
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:16 pm
Litia_Echo It is not double standards in anyways. "If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother." 1 John 4:20-21 We are to love our brother; but not the sin. Again Romans 12:9 I have another verse for that too if you'd like. You know, I had a point when I posted this little bit, I really did. Unfourtunately, I seemed to have forgotten it. Bugger. Cometh The Inquisitor "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good." Romans 12:9 Sin is evil, hate was is evil; hate sin. God is the perfect being, "There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:" Proverbs 6:16 (you can read on if you want to) Ah, but you yourself said that hate was a sin. Those are your words. Yes, I agree that it is a sin to hate your brother, but not a sin to hate your brother's sin (just forget about that thing I posted earlier. I have no idea what I meant and have a vague suspicion that it was a mis-typing on my part). Quote: I have look through and studied up on that... I guess I'm so use to taking what some of my leaders at my youthgroup say on that. You are right and thank you. I learned my lesson to review for myself and not just take what people tell me; even if strong leaders of Christ. "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44 What do you think agree or saying that satan is the father of sin. I guess you could say. (sorry if some of my setances are chopy and kinda confusing) Aye, and this is why you must always question what has been presented to you. No hard feelings, though, I know how easy it is to just accept what we hear from authority figures (*Is usually to lazy to check stuff himself*)
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:29 pm
Litia_Echo Okay back to why Hell was created for Satan and his angels. You see people can be forgiven, but Satan will not and cannot. Satan will never stop bringing evil until, the world, until he is thrown in the lake of fire. Many humans will not stop bringing evil into the world. Why is The Satan any different? Quote: Humans can reason but Satan cannot, Quote: On this point I beg to differ, but I'll try to leave my misanthropy out of this discussion. Quote: and I know all of what I am saying may seem like repetitive but it all comes to a point. I believe that God created Hell for Satan because he needed to totally distance himself from evil, and he did not want a huge war to erupt in Heaven, think of what went on in Heaven at that time. Quite the contrary, my dear. You see, Hell was created a bit after there was a war in heaven. You see, The Satan was once the highest angelic being in heaven, higher than Michael himself, until The Satan had aspirations beyond his station and started a heavenly civil war. It was then that Hell was created, by God, as a place of punishment for those who would sin and defy God. Quote: Even though people do sin, God hates sin; he wants all people to live and none to perish. But did he say he wished for Satan to repent and come back to Heaven? Aye, but did it ever say that God didn't wish for The Satan's repentance? I say that the Bible is not a very useful source when pertaining to matters not concerning humanity (and, of course, it's relation to God), as any details about The Satan, or matters pertaining to angelic beings is sketchy at best and non-existant at worst. Quote: No, God knows Satan will never repent, And, assuming that you believe that God is All-Knowing, than God also knows of humans who will never repent. Sorry love, but the world isn't all rainbows and butterflies. People do go to hell. Quote: So you can see where Satan will not repent, because Satan is angry with God, I believe that people who go to Hell are angry with God, hence Satan is angry with God. Jealous of God, more likely. After all, the point of the Rebelion was to Usurp God's throne. Though I do not doubt that The Satan is guilty of what the Bible calls 'Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit' (Matthew 12:31) Quote: Now back to God, I cannot find it in the Bible where it says God hates Satan, God hates iniquity. Aye, and, just as The Satan is guilty of iniquities against God, so are we. Why are we different?
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:39 pm
MimiInWonderland God does not love satan! He hates evil, and the devil is evil, said by an earlier post. Prove it, dearie. I have not (nor ever will I, at this rate) see a single passage in the Bible that would suggest that God hates The Satan or that The Satan is sin. Quote: This is what you believe? If you are a Christian, you go by God's Word not your own, because the flesh will fail you. That is why God made the Bible, so we would not make our own foolish decisions without His approval. Oh pain! I just wilt with fear at your relentless and oh-so-relavent ad hominem stare Quote: Answer: The Bible does not specifically tell us whether God ever gave the fallen angels an opportunity to repent. Aye, and so I say that it is folly to just assume that God hates The Satan when there is absolutely nothing that tells us so. Quote: Satan (Lucifer) was one of the highest angels, perhaps the highest (Ezekiel 28:14). Lucifer knew God in all His glory. For Lucifer and the other angels to rebel despite what they knew about God, it is the utmost of evil. Actually, unless I'm mistaken, the utmost evil would be 'blasphemy against the Holy Spirit' (see Matthew 12:31), as it is the unforgiveable sin. Quote: Further, the Bible gives us no reason to believe they would repent even if God gave them the chance (1 Peter 5: cool . That is completely different from not being given the oppourtunity in the first place, dearie. Quote: The fallen angels seem completely devoted to opposing God and attacking God's people. The Bible tells us that one of the things God judges on is how much knowledge of Him a person possesses (Luke 12:4 cool . The fallen angels, then, are even much more deserving of God’s wrath because of the exceedingly great knowledge they had about God. There is, as somebodys_PeNgUIN has pointed out, a difference between deserving God's wrath, and being hated by Him.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:07 am
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:02 am
 I believe that God's love is so huge that He can love even Satan. I don't know if that necessarily means that he does love Satan. We as humans can't understand the grand spectrum of His love. I've seen a few responses saying something to the point of "I know I couldn't..." But God has done so many things already that none of us could do. He gave His only son to die on the cross while we were still sinning so that we could be saved. How many of us could even come close to that?
Satan lives in constant rebellion of God. Jesus calls him murderer, liar, theif, from the beginning. I don't know if God loves Satan, but I do know that he loves the people that are fooled by Satan every day.
I'll do some more reading and stuff on this later and add more, right now I'm way too tired. heart
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:44 am
[+match~stix+] Something what just popped into my head? Does He i mean it says He loves everyone, do you think this includes Satan and his demons O_o? Dunno, but if he would love the demons and the devil, and the fallen, he would give them a oportunity, don't u think?
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