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 Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:53 pm
I don't think I can say anything that hasn't been said. I agree with Gracchus that the idea of feminism has changed from "equality" to "women are weak and should be protected! They can't think for themselves!" It's hypocritical, idiotic and self-demeaning. Moronic.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:32 am
Wow, thats a really long list.
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:25 pm
I agree completely with gracchvs this is truley ridiculous some but very few of them are really rape.
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:33 pm
when we look at it, feminism, is just like all forms of minority-ism, that it, it seeks to get the right to hire and fire workers in equality to the current group, that is, feminists seek to have the same rights as their male counterparts in relation to property, black nationalism, the same rights as whites.
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:12 pm
I think you are right there as well.
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:20 am
Gracchvs when we look at it, feminism, is just like all forms of minority-ism, that it, it seeks to get the right to hire and fire workers in equality to the current group, that is, feminists seek to have the same rights as their male counterparts in relation to property, black nationalism, the same rights as whites. Exactly. And if there were that equality, then the need for feminism would die away.
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:38 pm
um... that is far from the point im trying to make. i am saying that feminism is a bourgeois ideology which just seeks to get for the women of the bougeoisie, the same bourgeois rights as men.
as such it is counterposed to proletarian ideology which seeks to emancipate all of humanity, and thus elliminate bougeois right, not spread it to more sections of the bourgeoisie.
however, any REAL gains made by women should be fought for, these are things like abortion rights, child care, long term paid maternity leave. that kind of thing.
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:33 pm
Gracchvs um... that is far from the point im trying to make. i am saying that feminism is a bourgeois ideology which just seeks to get for the women of the bougeoisie, the same bourgeois rights as men. as such it is counterposed to proletarian ideology which seeks to emancipate all of humanity, and thus elliminate bougeois right, not spread it to more sections of the bourgeoisie. however, any REAL gains made by women should be fought for, these are things like abortion rights, child care, long term paid maternity leave. that kind of thing. If all were equal, then there would be no need for feminism. This could be accomplished in our society. What feminism seeks is to afford the same economic and political rights to women as guaranteed to men. So if all people were economically and politcally equal, as is our goal, then the need for feminism would vanish. And you know my feelings on abortion already.
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:20 pm
...yes....let's keep those bitches in line. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:51 pm
Kapitein Kanker ...yes....let's keep those bitches in line. 3nodding What?
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:26 pm
i know your position on abortion, and i am not looking for a debate again, not in this thread again.
but, whatever ones opinions on the rights of the fetus, one must agree that it is a great advance for women.
but i think what you are saying is that true feminism will only be able under a communist society? or when you say 'our' do you mean the current, bourgeois chauvinist system?
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:46 pm
Gracchvs i know your position on abortion, and i am not looking for a debate again, not in this thread again. but, whatever ones opinions on the rights of the fetus, one must agree that it is a great advance for women. but i think what you are saying is that true feminism will only be able under a communist society? or when you say 'our' do you mean the current, bourgeois chauvinist system? I'm saying that true equality for all people will only be reached under a communist system, and so only then will feminism become no longer an issue.
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:58 pm
ok, cool, i was hoping that.
but there is also a need to fight for equal rights for women and minorities under capitalism.
lenin explained it thoughroughly.
what it ammounts to is this: people think that if they have equal rights, everything will be great. but it wont. those rights are only formal, and not used in practice in any progressive manner, just in a bureaucratic and discriminatory fasion. once people see this, it will be easier for them to see that capitalism is the problem, not a formal lack of rights, and as they see capitalism to be the problem, they will be more receptive of us.
BUT, and it is a very big but, we must at all times, while fighting for these rights, aknowledge and explain that these will only be formal, they will not be real in any sence under capitalism, they cant be, and that socialist revolution is the only answer.
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