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 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:16 pm
chaoticpuppet I haven't noticed any hospitals doing this in my area, then again, I don't look that closely at them. Most of the hospitals I go to, want to get the person treated as quickly as possible so they can move on to the next person. As for what you are saying, I'm not so sure it is a "I'll help as long as you are no burden to me" philosophy; it appears to be more of a "I'll help if you will have a significant chance of functioning in society" philosophy. There's not much of a difference, but there is some. What I would like to know is, why should people help those who can perform no valueble function in society? If I am going to sit in a hospital and suck up my families money - having no chance, or not a significant chance of ever being able to perform valueble functions in society, should I be there? Why? Should I simply exist just to exist, or should I merely exist only when I can truly live? If they are valueable to society they are valueable to you, huh? My grandma doesn't play a valueable role in society, but her smile helps me. I don't care what society thinks anymore. Society has shot itself to hell. Why should you decide if a person is valueable to society. No one can judge that. What I'm really getting at, however, is those who could do something other than suck up there families money. Many facilities just don't give you the chance.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:20 pm
Terri's autopsy. She couldn't think, feel, see, or nothing.
Funny, the clips they showed following that didn't support that.
On the last clip, someone was holding a balloon over her head and they moved the balloon to the right. Just before the scene cut off her head jerked slightly to the right to look at the balloon.
Was she looking at the balloon? I dunno, but I have dvidence that suggests she was. Was she a vegatable? Doctors dunno, but they have evidence that suggests she does.
The human brain is more a amazing than anyone, even people who have gone to college for years on end, can imagine.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:11 pm
Mercution If they are valueable to society they are valueable to you, huh? My grandma doesn't play a valueable role in society, but her smile helps me. I don't care what society thinks anymore. Society has shot itself to hell. Why should you decide if a person is valueable to society. No one can judge that. What I'm really getting at, however, is those who could do something other than suck up there families money. Many facilities just don't give you the chance. I never said I get to decide who is valueble to society and who is not, nor did I ever indicate in anyway that I should be the one who decides this. As to who does decide this, society itself has a way of dictating who is valueble and who is not. A quick, and rough capitalistic example. In capitalism, it is the consumer who provides the most valueble function to society. The consumer buys things, which keeps those who make things in bussiness, the consumer buys things based off of how badly they want something. IF they want company A's product more than B's, A will have better profit revenues, and therefore A is more valueble than B. Yes, it is a rather rough, gross, and unpolished example, but, I find it illustrates my point rather well.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:45 pm
Give me a better example. That makes me think of people just being sources of money to other people. By the way, I did not and will never purposely attack your opinions and I do not think you have the direct decision, just watch what you vote for.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:26 pm
Mercution Terri's autopsy. She couldn't think, feel, see, or nothing. Funny, the clips they showed following that didn't support that. On the last clip, someone was holding a balloon over her head and they moved the balloon to the right. Just before the scene cut off her head jerked slightly to the right to look at the balloon. Was she looking at the balloon? I dunno, but I have dvidence that suggests she was. Was she a vegatable? Doctors dunno, but they have evidence that suggests she does. The human brain is more a amazing than anyone, even people who have gone to college for years on end, can imagine. following motion is a reflexive action, there isn't any thought involved. her looking at the balloon doesn't prove anything. and personally, she was dead when she went into the vegatative state, so pulling the feeding tube simply allowed her body to follow suit.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:33 pm
Mercution Give me a better example. That makes me think of people just being sources of money to other people. By the way, I did not and will never purposely attack your opinions and I do not think you have the direct decision, just watch what you vote for. In a capitalistic society we are nothing more than sources of money.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:54 am
chaoticpuppet Mercution Give me a better example. That makes me think of people just being sources of money to other people. By the way, I did not and will never purposely attack your opinions and I do not think you have the direct decision, just watch what you vote for. In a capitalistic society we are nothing more than sources of money. i hate to say it, but thats about right.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:28 pm
Can we try being humans before we make a society? Our society shouldn't be based on money. Our economy is capitalistic( and no matter what politicians say, that is a good thing.) But seeing people as just sources of money, not depending on our economy, is wrong. What happened to society being based on morals? Died with the American dream?
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:44 pm
Mercution Can we try being humans before we make a society? Our society shouldn't be based on money. Our economy is capitalistic( and no matter what politicians say, that is a good thing.) But seeing people as just sources of money, not depending on our economy, is wrong. What happened to society being based on morals? Died with the American dream? Society can only be based on morals when capitalism is dead. Capitalism (and I truly do love it) is like a leech that sucks out all the vital fluid leaving only an empty shell. (Wow, I love this metaphor).
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:33 pm
chaoticpuppet Mercution Can we try being humans before we make a society? Our society shouldn't be based on money. Our economy is capitalistic( and no matter what politicians say, that is a good thing.) But seeing people as just sources of money, not depending on our economy, is wrong. What happened to society being based on morals? Died with the American dream? Society can only be based on morals when capitalism is dead. Capitalism (and I truly do love it) is like a leech that sucks out all the vital fluid leaving only an empty shell. (Wow, I love this metaphor). I'd say that the leech you describe is not so much capitilism itself as it is some of the participants. I think that if some of the corruption was removed, capitalism would allow the continued flow of the vital fluid as opposed to the removal of it.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:49 pm
SyphaBelnades I'd say that the leech you describe is not so much capitilism itself as it is some of the participants. I think that if some of the corruption was removed, capitalism would allow the continued flow of the vital fluid as opposed to the removal of it. I think that would be called socialistic capitialism (i.e. capitalism with restrictions due to a Democratic Socialist Political Economic Policy).
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:11 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:45 pm
Supply and demand works. Nothing is wrong with capitalism, but morals should still come before economy. It's the fact that ecomomy is on the top of the list that hospitals act the way they do now. If they were more concerned with the happiness of that hospitalized person than just how hard it is on them, then we would see a change.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:44 pm
People first! Love first! Money never should have been made. Bartering is the best! Terri Shiavo deserved better than her money hungry husband. Read Mercution's post For the Ladies, by a Lady!
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:43 pm
Mercution Supply and demand works. Nothing is wrong with capitalism, but morals should still come before economy. It's the fact that ecomomy is on the top of the list that hospitals act the way they do now. If they were more concerned with the happiness of that hospitalized person than just how hard it is on them, then we would see a change. Economy is not a thing of morals, it is a thing of money. Furthermore, an economy with morals runs closer and closer to communism.
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