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 Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:12 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Darkphoenix Saiyan Master Vegeta Wow, and some people in the Ultimate VS Database were saying that Mystic Gohan would get pwned by the Hulk . . . Mystic Gohan is weaker than Broly... at that the 2nd move was after they have beat Buu.. Gohan was already 10 tims stronger than Goku, and still Broly was man handling him. Thus, Broly was merely fighting SSJ Gohan, or SSJ2 at most. And considering that Mystic Gohan is even stronger than SSJ3, he is stronger than Broly. It was SSJ2 Gohan and considering how he manhandled (as Darkpheonix said) Gohan in this state, I don't see how you can say that Chou Gohan is stronger than Burori just because he's stronger than Kakarotto in SSJ3 (which, in my opinion, isn't that impressive... I mean, rapid energy loss. Hello!). So it comes down to this... He manhandles an SSJ1 (several to be exact) and also a SSJ2. Given the fact that he does this effortlessly, what makes you think he'd not do the same to a SSJ3 and beyond? Therefore, one can't say if he's stronger or weaker to Chou Gohan when it hasn't been proven.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:26 pm
Rapid energy loss or not, SSJ3 at maximum is still stronger than Broly, and considering that Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 anyway and does not experience a rapid energy loss . . . well it speaks for itself.
And Goten being SSJ was playtime for Broly. He barely counts, seeing as Broly swatted him like a fly. SSJ2 Gohan could take out SSJ Goten with ease, so it comes down to SSJ2 Gohan VS Broly during that movie. Goten was a minor interference in the actual fighting.
Thus, Broly is no stronger than a SSJ3.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:32 pm
How do you figure? He EFFORTLESSLY swats away a SSJ2 and SSJ3 is a big enough power boost to NOW beat him? Come on, I don't see how you got this equation.
Regardless of how you see it, Trunks and Goten matter. They ARE SSJ. The fact that they achieved it at a young age is a testiment to their power (granted, halfie don't have to train much to achieve SSJ). They were knats to him, yes, but they still count pretty much. So beating them and a SSJ2 EFFORTLESSLY does not automatically make you weaker than a SSJ3 by default.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:50 pm
SSJ3 is a class of its own. Add also that Brolli is a USSJ, whose speed and power are not equal.
A dimension shattering SSJ3 can manhandle Brolli by speed blitz alone if it really came down to it I imagine.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:15 pm
What? SSJ3 is a class of its own. Add also that Brolli is a USSJ, whose speed and power are not equal. A dimension shattering SSJ3 can manhandle Brolli by speed blitz alone if it really came down to it I imagine. actualy Broly isnt USSJ he's Legendary SSJ diferent thing all together Mystic Gohan sucks
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:19 pm
What? SSJ3 is a class of its own. Add also that Brolli is a USSJ, whose speed and power are not equal. A dimension shattering SSJ3 can manhandle Brolli by speed blitz alone if it really came down to it I imagine. Broly actually isn't USSJ. It was never mentioned, thus it's not assumed. It's just him being a Legendary Super Saiyan that grants the muscle increase.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:20 pm
El_Caballote316 What? SSJ3 is a class of its own. Add also that Brolli is a USSJ, whose speed and power are not equal. A dimension shattering SSJ3 can manhandle Brolli by speed blitz alone if it really came down to it I imagine. actualy Broly isnt USSJ he's Legendary SSJ diferent thing all together Mystic Gohan sucks Mystic Gohan sucks? How is that opinion of him relevant to the debate?
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:25 pm
Izayoi Kyoya How do you figure? He EFFORTLESSLY swats away a SSJ2 and SSJ3 is a big enough power boost to NOW beat him? Come on, I don't see how you got this equation. Regardless of how you see it, Trunks and Goten matter. They ARE SSJ. The fact that they achieved it at a young age is a testiment to their power (granted, halfie don't have to train much to achieve SSJ). They were knats to him, yes, but they still count pretty much. So beating them and a SSJ2 EFFORTLESSLY does not automatically make you weaker than a SSJ3 by default. I'd consider Broly to have the power of a SSJ3. I never said he was weaker than one. Thus, Mystic Gohan is slightly stronger than Broly. It's not that unbelievable. But all of this is irrelivant to the debate. Broly beats the Hulk with a blast to the planet. End of story.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:26 pm
Maybe he's talking about the character design.
I mean...especially compared to SSJ3 Son Goku, Gohan's uber phase was unusually...dull.
They could've at least given him a diamond on his forehead, or...some shades...or something.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:31 pm
What? Maybe he's talking about the character design. I mean...especially compared to SSJ3 Son Goku, Gohan's uber phase was unusually...dull. They could've at least given him a diamond on his forehead, or...some shades...or something. Yeah, I'll agree to that. His only differences were a more serious face and slightly spikier hair, which wasn't all that exciting, besides his display of power.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:41 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta El_Caballote316 What? SSJ3 is a class of its own. Add also that Brolli is a USSJ, whose speed and power are not equal. A dimension shattering SSJ3 can manhandle Brolli by speed blitz alone if it really came down to it I imagine. actualy Broly isnt USSJ he's Legendary SSJ diferent thing all together Mystic Gohan sucks Mystic Gohan sucks? How is that opinion of him relevant to the debate? Its not.This kinda went off topic.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:51 pm
El_Caballote316 Saiyan Master Vegeta El_Caballote316 What? SSJ3 is a class of its own. Add also that Brolli is a USSJ, whose speed and power are not equal. A dimension shattering SSJ3 can manhandle Brolli by speed blitz alone if it really came down to it I imagine. actualy Broly isnt USSJ he's Legendary SSJ diferent thing all together Mystic Gohan sucks Mystic Gohan sucks? How is that opinion of him relevant to the debate? Its not.This kinda went off topic. Yes, as I mentioned. In the end, Broly wins by busting the planet and leaving the Hulk there.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:22 pm
What? SSJ3 is a class of its own. Add also that Brolli is a USSJ, whose speed and power are not equal. A dimension shattering SSJ3 can manhandle Brolli by speed blitz alone if it really came down to it I imagine. Same with LSJ. LSJ has the one benefit NO SSJ form has.... and that's energy increase as the battle continues. Now tell me how SSJ3 is in a class of its own without such a benefit? And when in the hell did SSJ3 shatter dimension? And please don't say Gotenks....
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:25 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Izayoi Kyoya How do you figure? He EFFORTLESSLY swats away a SSJ2 and SSJ3 is a big enough power boost to NOW beat him? Come on, I don't see how you got this equation. Regardless of how you see it, Trunks and Goten matter. They ARE SSJ. The fact that they achieved it at a young age is a testiment to their power (granted, halfie don't have to train much to achieve SSJ). They were knats to him, yes, but they still count pretty much. So beating them and a SSJ2 EFFORTLESSLY does not automatically make you weaker than a SSJ3 by default. I'd consider Broly to have the power of a SSJ3. I never said he was weaker than one. Thus, Mystic Gohan is slightly stronger than Broly. It's not that unbelievable. But all of this is irrelivant to the debate. Broly beats the Hulk with a blast to the planet. End of story. Saiyan Master Vegeta Rapid energy loss or not, SSJ3 at maximum is still stronger than Broly. If that doesn't say he's weaker than a SSJ3, then I don't know what does. And Chou Gohan being slightly stronger than Burori is quite unbelievable. There's no grounds to your claims. Until there is, Burori is neither stronger nor weaker than Chou Gohan.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 6:40 pm
Brolli was "popped" by a first stage Super Saiyajin with a power boost from two half-breeds, one is the son of the Saiyajin King and the other is a decendent of a god, a Namekian, and Vejita, the Saiyajin "King" himself.
Goku was weakened, worn down, and had his balls blown up.
Only with the additional ki of Vejita was Son able to pierce Brolli's barrier and his solarplexes.
That's a Level One with a huge power boost.
If I remember correctly, Level Two Adult Gohan wasn't "Manhandled" by Brolli so much as he was simply bear hugged (as per every other movie with Gohan as the main character) then Krillin saved him a la Piccolo in every movie where he saved Gohan's a**.
I might be mistaken though.
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