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 Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 1:45 pm
Don't forget kids. An orange is a vegetable.
That is the one unique but slightly misinformed comment I've ever heard. All of the other ones were misinformed and completely repetetive. You're stupid, morals are relative, science doesn't matter in this case, my morals trump yours because I'm right, keep your nose out of my uterus, oh I'm sorry, did you say something? I didn't read what you said, I stopped listening when I realized you were anti-choice.
I remember a time when I really looked forward to finding someone to debate that could put things aside for just a minute so we could have a logical discussion and listen to eachother. I gave up on that after about a year of comments like the ones above.
If people exist who are willing to stop repeating the same mantra over and over again and instead listen to arguments and debate points, without saying, "Only sources I decide are valid can be considered valid, even if you think my source is biased mine counts, nevermind the fact that I automatically throw out anything I consider to be invalid. Because I'm right, you're wrong, my body, my choice, you're an idiot for being anti-choice," I'd love to meet them. I have met a few.
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:03 pm
for that last part, were you referring to the same person i was? that person who will remained unamed is a horrible person who i would hate and likely spit on if i knew irl.
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:17 pm
Oi... I sort of have to agree with both sides of the Pro-Lifers in here... On one hand, intelligent debate is great. However, it's not really possible as a group v. group thing on Gaia, because there are morons on both sides who come in and screw it up. Unfortunately, the intelligent people on either side tend to let them be morons, and in private many bash the other side and have no respect for the other side, intelligent or not. I mean, not intending to make generalizations about your side, but when someone made a thread -specifically- aimed at lymelady and myself in the Pro-Choice guild, I think there was maybe one or two people who said something against it. Everyone else was in full support of s**t throwing.
And as nice as it would be to have an intelligent -and- friendly Pro-Choicer around to talk to about the issues, excuse us for being hesitant to believe that one exists. In the past the only Pro-Choicers to come in here fall into three categories:
1) Were only Pro-Choice in political views for whatever reason, but Pro-Life in personal views; sachiko_sohma I think at least started this way (Although I may be confused.). I like to think that they are really more Pro-Life then Pro-Choice, because they debate against abortions.
2) Didn't really want to talk about abortion and just felt that the Pro-Life guild was a less hostile and negatively charged environment.
3) Came in claiming to want to intelligently talk about things, but actually bashed us behind our backs and had no respect for us whatsoever. (I believe she compared us to Nazis and slave owners?)
We have yet for a friendly Pro-Choice person to come who just wanted a respectful and intelligent debate. And I've only met one member of the Pro-Choice guild who I have, one on one, debated with respectfully and intelligently.
And the fact that you've called any Pro-Life people Anti-Choice bothers me, because I find it hard to believe that anybody is actually Anti-Choice; As lymelady says, that would require us to want the government to implant probes into all of our brains and control our actions. So how does someone being... Intolerant of the Pro-Choice side make them Anti-Choice?
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:18 pm
divineseraph for that last part, were you referring to the same person i was? that person who will remained unamed is a horrible person who i would hate and likely spit on if i knew irl. I think it was a generalization... Many pro-Choicers will say claim that your sources aren't valid because they are biased. Which of course they are! It's really not possible to find an unbiased site on this! Pretty much every place informed enough to gather studies has made an opinion on the matter!
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 6:59 pm
You know, STreak, if you want to make a request for intelligence, maybe you shoudl start in the prochoice guild. I'm not sure if you did, and if you havn't, then you're only adding to the insult.
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 10:56 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle You know, STreak, if you want to make a request for intelligence, maybe you shoudl start in the prochoice guild. I'm not sure if you did, and if you havn't, then you're only adding to the insult. Ha, I never thought I'd say this, but I actually agree with you for once, Pyro. razz
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 11:04 pm
Which she did, by the way, post pretty much the same message in the Pro-Choice guild. Interesting the simularities in responses... xd You've got the one person who completely lacks respect for the other side (Pyro, you have to admit that fits you), got a couple of people saying, "We don't think that all the are idiots. Idiots just stand out." And you've got the people saying, "Nice idea, but this isn't the place for it. Go to the debate guild."
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:19 am
The diffrence between me and them though is I know how to act diplomatic about things.
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:26 am
lol i know you're not saying this, but that still made me think of this-
"i can be more diplomatic than you, and there is no changing my mind!!!"
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:38 am
I change my mind quite often. But, matters of life and death, especially with innocent blood, is somethign I will never change.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:31 am
If someone can prove to me that a fetus is not a human being and is in fact a clump of cells without value, then I'll change.
No one's been able to do that yet.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 6:42 am
lymelady If someone can prove to me that a fetus is not a human being and is in fact a clump of cells without value, then I'll change. No one's been able to do that yet. I think I once told someone if they can prove that a fetus (of the sort growing inside a human woman) isn't human, I'll not only become a clinic escort, I'll do it naked, and I'll wash their car with my tongue. Hell, you could make all kinds of crazy bets with that. DNA doesn't lie...
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:45 am
La Veuve Zin lymelady If someone can prove to me that a fetus is not a human being and is in fact a clump of cells without value, then I'll change. No one's been able to do that yet. I think I once told someone if they can prove that a fetus (of the sort growing inside a human woman) isn't human, I'll not only become a clinic escort, I'll do it naked, and I'll wash their car with my tongue. Hell, you could make all kinds of crazy bets with that. DNA doesn't lie...
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:49 am
Intelligent debate would be awesome, but I guess like everyone else is saying (and they'd know better than me since I haven't been around here much) it probably wouldn't work too well in here, the same as it probably wouldn't work too great in the pro-choice guild. For quite a few reasons. This is a pro-life guild, the other a pro-choice guild. Each guild is meant for the discussion of topics related to being pro-life or pro-choice, respectively. Secondly, the members of each guild have already made up their minds (most of them anyway). The point of a debate is to try to prove your point, but that doesn't work unless someone is wishy-washy on their beliefs in the first place, as far as I understand it. For example, you are never going to convince me, with any amount of scientific evidence, that a fetus, at any stage or point in its development, is not a person. I've made up my mind, so debating with me (and anyone else like me) will be pointless. It will just turn into a back and forth hate-fest. And then the last reason is personal. I deem myself intelligent, but I start acting like a n00bish retard when I debate, because I have no logic and run on emotion and am very good at insulting you because you're ugly and your mama dresses you funny (not really you personally).
So .... um ... yeah, welcome to the guild? sweatdrop
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High-functioning Businesswoman
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:04 pm
Beware the Jabberwock La Veuve Zin lymelady If someone can prove to me that a fetus is not a human being and is in fact a clump of cells without value, then I'll change. No one's been able to do that yet. I think I once told someone if they can prove that a fetus (of the sort growing inside a human woman) isn't human, I'll not only become a clinic escort, I'll do it naked, and I'll wash their car with my tongue. Hell, you could make all kinds of crazy bets with that. DNA doesn't lie... well that's really just an exaggeration. like that time DNA told me it could beat up chuck noris.
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