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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 7:57 pm
poweroutage Vannak It's more like when you take two geometic planes, and cross them, you get a line. Our universe is the intersection of two four dimentional universes, or something. Either that, or you mean that the enegry from two branes colliding created a new one between them, to keep them from going boom! I think I was referring to the latter explaination. Hm, I would be interested in more information on this, sounds interesting.
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:36 pm
Of course, any explanation still has the same problem.
How was the universe created? A 10-dimensional universe broke apart creating our 4-d one and a 6-d one. How was the 10-d universe created? God made it. How was god created? Two alternating universes intersected to create him/her/it. How were the alternating universes created? etc ad naseum.
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:59 am
poweroutage I've read that the "Parallel Worlds" interpretation says that our universe came into existance when two parallel worlds collided. This is an interesting explaination, not that the interpretation carries with it much credibility, but there are several theories out there about why the big bang occured. I've also heard that the universe was created out of 'supersymmetry' breaking. Dont' know how truthful this is, but it's according to a string theorist. Dr. Michio Kaku says that there used to exist a 10 dimensional space, but that the sypersymmetry was unstable, and thus 4 dimensions broke off from the 10, and expanded, while the other 6 dimensions curled up. it's a little vague. elaborations? This is similar to what I was about to say regarding String Theory (M Theory) in that they believe that the membranes around parallel dimensions collide and cause the force that is enough to spawn the universe. (or something like that. It's been a while since I've looked into String Theory. Now I'll have to read Elegant Universe some more...) Which would imply that there were universes before ours, and that ours could end at any moment.
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:04 am
Chaotic Nonsense, why would ours end at any moment?
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:15 am
I didn't mean it in a paranoid "Oh my god! We're all gonna die!" sense, I mean that if a membran collision occurs in the near future, (And applies to our dimension) It could, and most likely would, be the end of our universe and/or the beginning of another.
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:44 am
Nova has a video version of Elegant universe. If your computer hasQuicktime or Realvideo you can go to this link here: Elegant universeAnd scroll down, on the right hand side you will see The "Riddle of the Big Bang" video clip. Which explains far better than I have. The riddle one lasts 7 minutes and 37 seconds. You could also watch others. The total program is 3 hours-ish long.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:17 pm
Ok ya if someone here can answer this for me than you've succeded where HS science has failed. As someone mentioned earlier your going to run into one crap assed circle. 1) How was our universe created? 2) By a 10 (does it have to be 10? It doesnt right?) dimensional universe breaking off into two (or more?) smaller and unproportionate universes. 1) How was that 10 dimensional universe created? 2) By a X dimentional universe breaking off into two (or more) smaller universes. 1) How was......
Ya this could go one for a while couldn't it?
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:59 pm
Endert Ok ya if someone here can answer this for me than you've succeded where HS science has failed. As someone mentioned earlier your going to run into one crap assed circle. 1) How was our universe created? 2) By a 10 (does it have to be 10? It doesnt right?) dimensional universe breaking off into two (or more?) smaller and unproportionate universes. 1) How was that 10 dimensional universe created? 2) By a X dimentional universe breaking off into two (or more) smaller universes. 1) How was...... Ya this could go one for a while couldn't it? Well, high-school science has indeed failed you, but not in the way you think. All that stuff you just spouted about how the universe was created? Pure crap. There's no explaining it because it's wrong, or at least has no evidence or logic to it. Our current universe is, according to String-theory models, 10 dimensional, mostly for topological and group-theoretic reasons. Basically, the number is 10 because the math works out. There is no reason to think that our universe is the result of a higher-dimensional universe breaking down, or breaking apart, or whatever the hell you were taught. Our universe, as far as we can tell, is fully self-contained, and is the only object we need to consider. Furthermore, the idea of the universe being "created" doesn't really make sense, any more than the idea of what came before the big bang. If there was no time before the big bang, then there can't have been any "creation" to the universe. The universe was always there, with "always" in this case not meaning infinitely into the past, but rather "for all time."
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:09 pm
then what was before time came into existance?
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:09 pm
Endert then what was before time came into existance? *sigh* Endert, I want you to read that last sentence very, very carefully. Look up every single word in the dictionary if you have to. I'm very sorry, but that question is utter nonsense. The very concept of "before" is intrinsically dependent on the concept of "time". If there is no time, there is no before; before is meaningless without time. It's like asking what is south of the south pole, to use the common analogy. There is nothing south of the south pole; the question is meaningless. (And no, space is not south of the south pole; that's called up, and is in fact moving away from south, not toward it. Your compass will tell you as much). Or, perhaps a better example, let's consider the direction down. When you go down, you go toward the center of the Earth. Once you've reached that point, however, there's no more down. There is no direction that can reasonably be called "down" once you've reached the center of the Earth. Every direction is up. Down is now meaningless. Similarly, once you've reached the Big Bang, there's no direction known as "before." Every direction is "after." You've reached the "center," you can't go any further "down".
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:11 pm
*THIS IS A JOKE*
Chuck Norris and Mr.T decided to have a fight but decided it would be too destructive so they took it to the beginning of time. WE all know that time now as the big bang.
*This is serious*
There is many possibilities of what may or may not have exiisted before the big bang. The theory of the "Big Crunch" partially comes from Newton's Third Law of Motion. Because the universe is expanding, then it must also contract. Thus theory of the big crunch. I personally hold the beleif that before the big bang there was something similar to a giant orb of energy that produced an infinite amount of energy. (Cold Fusion Reactor Anyone?) This orb produced so much that the minute amount of garvitational force it had couldn't contain it and it burst outward. Thus the Big Bang.
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:17 am
Synthetic.Butterfly There is many possibilities of what may or may not have exiisted before the big bang. The theory of the "Big Crunch" partially comes from Newton's Third Law of Motion. Because the universe is expanding, then it must also contract. Thus theory of the big crunch. ... I'm not even sure where to begin on this. It's not just that it's not correct, but it is not even wrong. Synthetic.Butterfly I personally hold the beleif that before the big bang there was something similar to a giant orb of energy that produced an infinite amount of energy. Where was it and what does it mean to be "before" the big bang? Under standard big bang models, there is no "where" and no "when" prior to the big bang. If you have an alternative theory, you'll need to define what those concepts mean when they refer to events "before" the big bang. Synthetic.Butterfly (Cold Fusion Reactor Anyone?) Are you under the impression that cold fusion could produce an infinite amount of energy? Synthetic.Butterfly This orb produced so much that the minute amount of garvitational force it had couldn't contain it and it burst outward. Thus the Big Bang. Since energy gravitates, how could something finite have an infinite amount of energy? And if this orb was itself infinite, what was so different about it as compared to the early universe after the big bang? (It was certainly energetic.)
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:54 pm
Ok, you definately know how to make a guy sound like a dork (or at least I do).Do you not understand the implications of my question, even if my question made less sense than pirates of the carribien 2? How did that stuff that initiated the bug bang get there to begin with?
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:32 pm
Endert Do you not understand the implications of my question, even if my question made less sense than pirates of the carribien 2? How did that stuff that initiated the bug bang get there to begin with? Once again, you're miunderstanding the implications of having time as part of the universe. The universe quite literally existed and will exist for all time--for any time you pick, the universe exists. It just so happens that time itself is not infinite in the past direction, so you can't pick times prior to some point (this is no different than an inability to pick a positive number less than zero--such a thing just doesn't exist). Nevertheless, the point remains: if something has always existed, in what sense does its creation need to be 'initiated'?
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:50 am
Whatever I'll shut up now since it does seem that this one is beyond me. (I'll spectate instead)
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