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 Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:26 am
God says that life is a gift, and a blessing. And we are given life and life abundantly. Even if the child was conceived from rape, that would still be depriving someone at the gift of life. God knew that the girl was going to be raped, and He knew that she would be pregnant. I believe He had a life for that baby to live. And the fact that some 14year old girl, can have an abortion without anyone knowing, not even her parents, that is a sick thought.
And i agree with linwe, something needs to be done about this issue.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:33 am
ScarredImage As I've said countless times before, and will naturally always be flamed for it but I'm ok with that, is that you shouldn't judge or say things too quickly. You may say you wouldn't get an abortion now if the situation ever came up but your faith and moral beliefs would definitely be put to the test if you got thrown into it. You don't know what you would truly do until you've gone through the experience. So until you have gone through it (and if some of you already have and held on to the kid, bravo) I say don't say what you would or wouldn't do. Because honestly you have no clue until it actually happens. Maybe you can say that for most people, but don't judge or pressume what God has spoken to each individual person. I can see where you are coming from, that a lot of pressure would be involved and therefore may alter someone's decision. But, I think that somone can rightly say that they would never have an abortion because that isn't who they are, they could never do it, despite morrals and religion. And i think it is not right for you to judge anyone and everyone saying that they would have to go through it to rightly know their decision.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:39 am
ScarredImage Xanduran Well, the Morning After pill is exactly what it says it is morning AFTER, after Sex and AFTER life has been started in the egg. Well first off, the pill can be taken within 60 hours of having sex. It is best used within 72 hours though. But just because it says AFTER does not mean it is AFTER life has been started in the egg. It can be if you don't take it soon enough. But for those that do there is no life in the egg, it gets stopped. How is it killing a baby by stopping a baby from happening? Or better yet, here's a question for some of you (since I know some Christians are very strong on their opinions of birth control), will you use birth control when you're married and sexually active? Why or why not? My answer: yes, I will. Why? Because I wanna settle down with my husband first before going straight to parenthood. Which is also another good reason why I'm hoping to (God willing) marry young. Since you're still adjusting while you're young and all...anyway, I just find it kinda silly that all these people are against birth control and such when they're likely to use it once they're married. So, let me get this straight, you think that a baby is not fully life until it is started to grow? because you just said that you think abortion is wrong, is that because you think that it is killing a life? If so, then how can you truly say that taking a pill to stop being pregnant, or producing life, within 60hours of having sex is not killing the life that God gave?
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:00 am
DaNcErCuTeE4God ScarredImage Xanduran Well, the Morning After pill is exactly what it says it is morning AFTER, after Sex and AFTER life has been started in the egg. Well first off, the pill can be taken within 60 hours of having sex. It is best used within 72 hours though. But just because it says AFTER does not mean it is AFTER life has been started in the egg. It can be if you don't take it soon enough. But for those that do there is no life in the egg, it gets stopped. How is it killing a baby by stopping a baby from happening? Or better yet, here's a question for some of you (since I know some Christians are very strong on their opinions of birth control), will you use birth control when you're married and sexually active? Why or why not? My answer: yes, I will. Why? Because I wanna settle down with my husband first before going straight to parenthood. Which is also another good reason why I'm hoping to (God willing) marry young. Since you're still adjusting while you're young and all...anyway, I just find it kinda silly that all these people are against birth control and such when they're likely to use it once they're married. So, let me get this straight, you think that a baby is not fully life until it is started to grow? because you just said that you think abortion is wrong, is that because you think that it is killing a life? If so, then how can you truly say that taking a pill to stop being pregnant, or producing life, within 60hours of having sex is not killing the life that God gave? You're not killing something that wasn't even there yet.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:03 am
DaNcErCuTeE4God ScarredImage As I've said countless times before, and will naturally always be flamed for it but I'm ok with that, is that you shouldn't judge or say things too quickly. You may say you wouldn't get an abortion now if the situation ever came up but your faith and moral beliefs would definitely be put to the test if you got thrown into it. You don't know what you would truly do until you've gone through the experience. So until you have gone through it (and if some of you already have and held on to the kid, bravo) I say don't say what you would or wouldn't do. Because honestly you have no clue until it actually happens. Maybe you can say that for most people, but don't judge or pressume what God has spoken to each individual person. I can see where you are coming from, that a lot of pressure would be involved and therefore may alter someone's decision. But, I think that somone can rightly say that they would never have an abortion because that isn't who they are, they could never do it, despite morrals and religion. And i think it is not right for you to judge anyone and everyone saying that they would have to go through it to rightly know their decision. Can you make a decision about something honestly without going through it? Without knowing all the circumstances, without knowing what will happen, and without knowing how it would affect you totally and completely? Sure, in some cases you can decide stuff without knowing like whether or not to eat soup or salad. But if it's something as important as abortion I don't think anyone can say "I'd stick to my convictions" until it has happened to them. Cuz like I said, once the pressure is on them you never know what they'd do.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:49 pm
um, could we lighten up a bit, its starting to sound like pre-flaming here..
None of us want to upset nyone, so please try to post opinions more openly, yes i am guilty too, but just saying.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:41 pm
Here's an intersting note that I just remembered: some Jews are ok with abortion. Or maybe it's all. I can't remember. I know Reform is...possibly conservative and orthodox too, I honestly can't remember sweatdrop What do you think about that?
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:41 pm
ScarredImage Can you make a decision about something honestly without going through it? Without knowing all the circumstances, without knowing what will happen, and without knowing how it would affect you totally and completely? Sure, in some cases you can decide stuff without knowing like whether or not to eat soup or salad. But if it's something as important as abortion I don't think anyone can say "I'd stick to my convictions" until it has happened to them. Cuz like I said, once the pressure is on them you never know what they'd do. Yes. You absolutely can. Ech person has free will, each person has the ability to control themselves and their actions. I know for a fact that i would never consider an abortion for any reason. It is not my "right" to take the life of another, no matter what the circumstances, even if they are inside of me and i don't "want" them there. Ican say this because i have controll over myself, and i know myself better then other person on the planet. I do not know exactly what i would feel in that situation, but i know that i would not take teh action to kill a child. As for teh morning after pill..... What it does is prevents the egg that has already been fertilized from implanting itself in the lining of teh Uterus. The egg is fertilized in the falopian tube, between the ovary and the Uterus. the fertilized egg then travels down the tube and IF it has been fertilized it implants itself in the thickened lining of teh uterus and continues to grow. Once fertilization has occured, a new individual has been concieved, therefor the morning after pill is a form of abortion at teh earliest stage. Birth controll is fine, as long as it is a contraceptive and not an abortificant. A contraceptive prevents the sperm from ever fertilizing the egg, an abortifacient is anything which kills the already fertilized egg.
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:38 pm
LittleKuroNeko Birth controll is fine, as long as it is a contraceptive and not an abortificant. A contraceptive prevents the sperm from ever fertilizing the egg, an abortifacient is anything which kills the already fertilized egg. The morning after pill can prevent the egg ever being fertilized. IF you take it soon enough. Which is why I stress to people who are "loose" and not using contraceptive to get the morning after pill ASAP so that the egg wouldn't be fertilized, therefore no abortion could happen. But if it's not fast enough, it will get fertilized, just not implanted...or whatever.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:27 pm
abordtoin is murder but sosiety has twisted things so that if your not born than you can be killed...i realy the pity the person that does that
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:48 pm
Guys, you can all get way off with everything and throw in all them legalism and medical jargon that you want. But, when you get down to it, there is only one real thing for us to follow. Our conscience tested by the word of God. Our conscience is what tells us what is right and wrong, and if it feels wrong, or has to be justified, then it is wrong. Now, you can get into ideas about conscience and such, but let's not. Anyway, adultery (sex before marriage, lusting after someone in marriage) is wrong. Murder is wrong. If you commit the first, please don't commit the second. It's not the kid's fault. Even if some psycho raped you, it's not the kid's fault. There is an evangelical preacher that is a product of a botched abortion. He is supposed to be dead, but instead he is preaching the word of God. How many other evangelists are dying every day?
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:47 pm
I agree with you 100%. Abortion is wrong. Even if that life came from something wrong like rape that doesn'y make that baby guilty. That baby had no controle of how it was concieved. If you kill that baby you aren't giving it a chance to know God or to enjoy life even if life isn't always the best. sad
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:49 am
There is one way to not ever have to take the morning after pill which I think is also ending a life if one was to be started. The best answer is to obstain from sex outside of marriage. It is really difficult for a teenager or an adult for that matter to get an abortion if they do not have sex outside the bounds of marriage. I really hate how schools now teach our kids how to use contraception without teaching them the one 100% way to keep from getting pregnant is to NOT have sex. LOVE WAITS, hormones do not. Sorry if this seems harsh but I have big problems with abortion and sex before marriage.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:16 am
abordtion is 100% evil..it is killing the unborn but it isnt consiterd murder because people think what isnt born can be killed and it doesent matter but God doesent say that he says its murder and murder is a huge sin.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:54 am
I believe that abortion in any and every way is abortion... and if you're stupid enough to have sex before marriage then you should deal with the consequences... I believe that both pills and the actually abortion methods are both wrong and should be stopped...
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