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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:14 am
ZonkotheSane i wasn't joking. but honestly, i don't hate black poeple any more than i hate anyone else. and i don't hate anyone at all, as a rule. the deffinition of racism has nothing at all to do with hate. racism is, according to webster "the belief that one race is better than another". now, i'm not one to judge, but i hope for my family's sake that my race (that is, if you consider jews a race) is better than the black community. i mean, the only neighborhoods i wouldn't walk alone at night in that aren't black are arab, and you don't have too many of those in the states. this is, of course, a gross generalisation. black poeple, as individuals, are not neccesarily inferior in any way, the same as with all poeples. but black community and society, on the whole, is defunct. at least in the area where i live, ie, the east coast. some village in kenya is not at all what i am reffering to by "black community". but then again, one can always claim that this "a unique culture". so i guess, i'm not racist, not in the common sense of the word, ie, "******-hater". but webster says i am. and even then, it's not blacks as a race i have any issues with, or individuals. it's blacks as a community that i hope my own community is at least slightly above. and that, according to webster's dictionary, makes me racist. ("communist" doesn't sound right) thank you computermind, for pointing that out. "******" is an insult, but it does have a meaning besides being a dirty word for "african-american". which reminds me: i have some friends from africa who are white. so, if thet're african americans, how come they don't get benefits?Even though judiasm can hardly be called a race (I know the world treats it like one), you still can't look down upon anyone just because of hw they are. Even though you beleive your race might be better, and possibly it might be, it gives you no right to frown upon them. The term ****** is insulting to them only if its used by a white (usually in a disdainfull style). They actually use the term between themselves as a greeting. Whats so superior about the community?? Look at how the blacks were treated, even if you CAN find something bad about them, you can't blame them for anything. And guess who was behind it too... stare .
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:41 am
jewish isn't a race you asswipe it's an ethicity so you're not ethnocentric you ... nevermind i'll stop there :glare:
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:14 pm
Yea i guess Zonkos right, you know like how blacks jump you and rob you. Man Jews never do that. They never took my money from me, threw taxes and bills etc.. We got to Eat, they got to eat.
You know what and yes my Jewish community is better too, they have better houses than our black community, they have better cars then are black community, hell man, they even have better jobs. But because of that, that makes them a whole lot better than everyone else, material. phh.
The Issue at hand is not the Comunity thow, tell me, what happened if you started talking to this girl. She was sweet, funny, good sence of humor, liked all the things you liked, etc.. But when you met her, she was black, what would you do Zonko, what would your parents say?! Would you consider her an equal, or would you consider her worst because "her comunity isnt so great".
Not all black people are those yoyo wanna be gangster s**t heads. Most people here that are wanna be gangsters now are white, and im telling you lots of them wear a star of David. But the ones that are, well what do you expect, with the world and the media forcing them to be it in order of acceptance. Hey, thats the way the cookie crumbles. Just like in the Jews here, always telling me to cut my hair, Beleive in the Religion, you have too. Its the same thing, its all pressure, its all brainwash, and there is a selected few that actually take a step outside the known to follow the heart
The point im trying to heavily push, is that it doesnt matter the stuff that you have. Everyones the same, stop trying to set barriers based on material.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:17 pm
Akhilles Yea i guess Zonkos right, you know like how blacks jump you and rob you. Man Jews never do that. They never took my money from me, threw taxes and bills etc.. We got to Eat, they got to eat. You know what and yes my Jewish community is better too, they have better houses than our black community, they have better cars then are black community, hell man, they even have better jobs. But because of that, that makes them a whole lot better than everyone else, material. phh. The Issue at hand is not the Comunity thow, tell me, what happened if you started talking to this girl. She was sweet, funny, good sence of humor, liked all the things you liked, etc.. But when you met her, she was black, what would you do Zonko, what would your parents say?! Would you consider her an equal, or would you consider her worst because "her comunity isnt so great". Not all black people are those yoyo wanna be gangster s**t heads. Most people here that are wanna be gangsters now are white, and im telling you lots of them wear a star of David. But the ones that are, well what do you expect, with the world and the media forcing them to be it in order of acceptance. Hey, thats the way the cookie crumbles. Just like in the Jews here, always telling me to cut my hair, Beleive in the Religion, you have too. Its the same thing, its all pressure, its all brainwash, and there is a selected few that actually take a step outside the known to follow the heart The point im trying to heavily push, is that it doesnt matter the stuff that you have. Everyones the same, stop trying to set barriers based on material. i wasn't talking about material issues. tell me, what do you consider to be immaterial. also, i mentioned at least once that my statements completely exclude individuals. i was referring to the vast majority, and even then, not in the sense of skin color, but rather society and culture. it's not even a matter of me thinking them inferior. that's not it. i strive to be, and hope that i am superior, or at least can make myself as such. all men were created equal. that's about it. "follow the heart". that's funny. there's a gemara that states specifically not to do so.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:00 pm
ZonkotheSane "follow the heart". that's funny. there's a gemara that states specifically not to do so. I beleive the gemara was talking about To'evah there? A jew should follow his own beleif - there is a hassidic saying: If I am me, because you are you, then I cannot be me, and neither you be you. But If I am me, because I am me, and you are you, because you are you, then I am indeed me, and you are definattely you.In other words, there are points that a person shouldn't bend himself to act and be what he is not. However there are things that one should follow because it is advisable to stay a good jew. It's just important that you dont do something because of what someone else is.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:50 am
ZonkotheSane "follow the heart". that's funny. there's a gemara that states specifically not to do so. where did you read this?
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:28 pm
Akhilles ZonkotheSane "follow the heart". that's funny. there's a gemara that states specifically not to do so. where did you read this? I don't know why zonko went as far as to say it was the gemara, but the source is not in a gemara, it's in the kryiat shma. "vi-Lo taturu aharei levavchem" (do not be led by your hearts). Even though EVERYTHING basically appears in the gemara, there are more immediate sources biggrin rolleyes . EDIT: It is "do not be LED by your hearts", not "do not follow your hearts".
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:36 pm
But what's wrong with following your heart?
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:25 pm
darkphoenix1247 But what's wrong with following your heart? nothings wrong with following your heart. i think it's the best thing a person can do for themselves.
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:07 am
YvetteEmilieDupont darkphoenix1247 But what's wrong with following your heart? nothings wrong with following your heart. i think it's the best thing a person can do for themselves. There is a difference between being led by your heart, and following your heart. The kriyat shma meant " don't be lead". You shouldn't have your life planned because of your bodily desires. Some desires are bad for us. For example, some people would like nothing better than to go fufill their sexual emotions. Isn't it disgusting? If we would be led by our heart entirely it's bad. But following your heart, the goals and values in life, THAT is fine, and even encouraged. I hope it is more understood now? sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:43 am
yea i ment going to your goals because you want them nto because other peple tell you you want them
liek me i wanna be a writer but everyone says i need a real job then just write on the side and how ever right they are i don't care
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:14 pm
nathan_ngl YvetteEmilieDupont darkphoenix1247 But what's wrong with following your heart? nothings wrong with following your heart. i think it's the best thing a person can do for themselves. There is a difference between being led by your heart, and following your heart. The kriyat shma meant " don't be lead". You shouldn't have your life planned because of your bodily desires. Some desires are bad for us. For example, some people would like nothing better than to go fufill their sexual emotions. Isn't it disgusting? If we would be led by our heart entirely it's bad. But following your heart, the goals and values in life, THAT is fine, and even encouraged. I hope it is more understood now? sweatdrop Definitely makes sense now 3nodding I was rather confused at first- I have a lot of goals and values that I strongly believe in, and not following them would be kind of weird/bad. What if you care about somebody, though? Not in a lusting kind of way, but caring about them more with love or something? Would it be wrong to follow your heart? Sorry- I don't know as much as I'd like about Judaism and it's scriptures sweatdrop
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:52 pm
If We Didnt follow our hearts, none of us would be Jewish. With all the Christian Missionaries out there telling us to convert. If any book tell you not to Listen to your Heart but Beleive in this, then its completly contradicting itself. You Beleive with your Heart, mind and Soul. And I beleive hat Racism shouldnt be seen among Jewish people. Take a step foward instead of taking 2 steps back. Matisyahus doing it (man i love that guy)
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:09 pm
darkphoenix1247 What if you care about somebody, though? Not in a lusting kind of way, but caring about them more with love or something? Would it be wrong to follow your heart? There is nothing wrong with caring for someone 3nodding . Just as long as you don't let lust take over the streight true path that g-d wants us to set into our hearts, it's fine. Care is actually encouraged- "vi'ahavta lireh-eha kamocha" (love your fellow man like yourself).
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:14 pm
nathan_ngl darkphoenix1247 What if you care about somebody, though? Not in a lusting kind of way, but caring about them more with love or something? Would it be wrong to follow your heart? There is nothing wrong with caring for someone 3nodding . Just as long as you don't let lust take over the streight true path that g-d wants us to set into our hearts, it's fine. Care is actually encouraged- "vi'ahavta lireh-eha kamocha" (love your fellow man like yourself). That's good; thank your for telling me 3nodding
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