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Edward Yee

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 10:06 pm


I recall that it was blamed on Americans, likening investors to "bloodsuckers" ...

And isn't the EU just going to keep sending back the question until they get a yes? I recall multiple MEPs and EU officials making statements of this sort, that such a question should not have been left in the hands of "the people out there," one Danish MEP complained that a referendum did not ensure a positive ("yes") outcome, and the like ...
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:22 am


Edward Yee
I recall that it was blamed on Americans, likening investors to "bloodsuckers" ...


His remarks were pretty much directed at American investment banks such as Goldman Sachs and private equity firms but number two on his list was Germany's Deutsche Bank.

Edward Yee
And isn't the EU just going to keep sending back the question until they get a yes? I recall multiple MEPs and EU officials making statements of this sort, that such a question should not have been left in the hands of "the people out there," one Danish MEP complained that a referendum did not ensure a positive ("yes") outcome, and the like ...


I'm sure they will try again eventually. I don't think the mood or the political situation is going to encourage French or the Dutch to try to do so really soon and I expect that Britian will look for an excuse to avoid a vote on the current constitution being consitered. Several EU countries did not let the issue go before a public vote (Germany being one of them who opted to have it decided by its legislative bodies) although doing so could have serious ramifications in feelings towards the national governments and the EU itself (alot of Europeans feel that Brussels is already too unaccountable and without at least letting the public decide whether to accept the constitution or not wouldn't do much to dispel that notion).

The result of the vote on the EU constitution wasn't so much actually a vote on the document itself but on some of the ideas that the EU is based upon (or, some of the things which the EU is blamed for). France and Germany's economies aren't doing so hot right now so there is alot of blame being leveled at the free trade aspects of the EU by Europe's political left who think it is undermining their socialist style economic arrangements (when in fact it is the socialist-style economic arrangements which are causing the problems).

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:00 am


I read a good column from Mark Steyn the other day, talking about the conflict between EU statism and a desire of many Frenchmen/women for their own identity. He cited that EU President Juncker told a Belgian newspaper Le Soir "If at the end of the ratification process, we do not manage to solve the problems, the countries that would have said "No" would have to ask themselves the question again." Now, that sounds like pseudo-democracy...or the California State Legislature stare . Now, I can understand if the European Union goes back to the drawing board and thinks through a new draft for the constitution, but to send back the same document for a revote doesn't take into account the member-states' best interests. I think France did this right...if the people reject a document, maybe something needs to be looked at again.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:49 am


Forbes: Supreme Court Rules Cities May Seize Homes

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A divided Supreme Court ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses against their will for private development in a decision anxiously awaited in communities where economic growth conflicts with individual property rights.

Thursday's 5-4 ruling represented a defeat for some Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:31 pm


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Forbes: Supreme Court Rules Cities May Seize Homes

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A divided Supreme Court ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses against their will for private development in a decision anxiously awaited in communities where economic growth conflicts with individual property rights.

Thursday's 5-4 ruling represented a defeat for some Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.


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I think I'm going to be sick.


In direct violation of both the Supreme Court and the Constitution.

"The despotic power . . . of taking private property when state necessity requires, exists in every government," Justice William Paterson wrote in a 1795 case, Vanhorn's Lessee v. Dorrance, but the state must not invoke that power "except in urgent cases." He could not imagine any situation that would justify "the seizing of landed property belonging to one citizen, and giving it to another citizen. . . . Where is the security, where the inviolability of property, if the legislature . . . can take land from one citizen, who acquired it legally, and vest it in another?"

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:20 am


I'm still reeling from the Supreme Court's ruling on internet filesharing, so this new judgement is equally depressing. The first pretty much limits free flow of information, now we can't even feel safe as citizens owning our own home. I'm glad one of my State Legislators, Tom McClintock, will be attempting to fight this in state court. What's the reaction on ED-P, by the by?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:13 pm


Washinton Post: Clinton Angers Left With Call for Unity

Subheading: Senator Accused of Siding With Centrists.

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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's call for an ideological cease-fire in the Democratic Party drew an angry reaction yesterday from liberal bloggers and others on the left, who accused her of siding with the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in a long-running dispute over the future of the party.

Long a revered figure by many in the party's liberal wing, Clinton (D-N.Y.) unexpectedly found herself under attack after calling Monday for a cease-fire among the party's quarreling factions and for agreeing to assume the leadership of a DLC-sponsored initiative aimed at developing a more positive policy agenda for the party.


Which goes to show how extreme some of the Democratic base has become these days. And here's one of those extremist usual suspects in the fray: Daily Kos.

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The most pointed critique of Clinton came in one of the most influential blogs on the left, Daily Kos out of Berkeley, Calif., which called Clinton's speech "truly disappointing" and said she should not provide cover for an organization that often has instigated conflict within the party.

"If she wanted to give a speech to a centrist organization truly interested in bringing the various factions of the party together, she could've worked with NDN," the blog said in a reference to the New Democrat Network, with which Daily Kos's Markos Moulitsas is associated. "Instead, she plans on working with the DLC to come up with some common party message yadda yadda yadda. Well, that effort is dead on arrival. The DLC is not a credible vehicle for such an effort. Period."

Other blogs noted that the day Clinton was calling for a truce, one DLC-sponsored blog was writing disparagingly of liberals. Marshall Wittman wrote from the DLC meeting in Columbus, "While someone from the daily kosy (misspelling intended) confines of Beserkely might utter ominous McCarthyite warnings about the 'enemy within,' here in Columbus constructive committed crusaders for progressivism are discussing ways to win back the hearts of the heartland."


Daily Kosy. I kind of like that one. I may have to add it to the repertoire. xd

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:46 am


cafta got passed

anyone else here upset about it? i support bush and all but im not a fan of nafta or cafta
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:36 pm


pimpkilla2
cafta got passed

anyone else here upset about it? i support bush and all but im not a fan of nafta or cafta


Council on Foreign Relations: CAFTA

Well it is a mixed bag.

Free trade arrangements are not always a clear-cut winner/loser proposition. There will always be winners and losers on both sides with such an arrangement. Generally speaking, I tend to support it as well as the principle of free trade in general.

Many goods from the CAFTA member states already enter the United States under a program called the Caribbean Basin Initiative free of duties but those exemptions from duties are not necessarily reciprocated by the other states. So in a way that is an advantage to the United States. It breaks down trade barriers that might be used against the United States and opens up these markets to American goods and makes it less expensive for people in these countries to purchase them. It is also good for the United States because it is supposed to incorporate intellectual property rights (this basically provides a sort of legal protection from companies in other states from making knock-off's of American ideas).

Economic protectionism generally hurts consumers most of all. The definiton of consumer can also include other manufacturers which depend on a product as an imput for thier finished products. Take the example of suger listed by the CFR.

Quote:
Sugar. U.S. sugar producers say CAFTA will result in an influx of cheap sugar from Central America and shift jobs overseas from an industry that employs more than 300,000 U.S. workers. (Some economists say this figure includes workers in jobs that are only marginally related to sugar production; they say the number of employees working directly on sugar may be as low as 60,000). U.S. sugar growers receive government subsidies, and quotas limit sugar imports. As a result of the subsidies, Americans pay twice as much for sugar than consumers in other countries, says Russell Roberts, a trade professor at George Mason University in Virginia. The agreement would have no effect on the subsidies U.S. sugar producers currently receive. Over a phase-in period of 15 years, CAFTA would slightly expand quotas on sugar imports from Central America. That is expected to add 100,000 tons of sugar--roughly one day's U.S. production--into the U.S. market annually. Still, sugar producers "are afraid it will set a bad precedent," says Fran Smith, an adjunct fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.


Because sugar is protected by import quotas, American consumers pay twice the amount that someone else might pay for sugar. That means when you go to the store and buy a package of sugar it costs you more. That also means that a confectioner who needs to buy sugar to make their candy also has to pay more. That means that not only the person buying sugar at the store has to pay more, but the person who buys sugar to make candy has to pay more and they have to pay more then their competition in another country has to pay for the sugar (rarely do quotas apply to things like candy bars-usually the raw materials such as sugar in many cases) so not only is the cost of the sugar to make the candy passed on to the consumer (you) but the company that makes the candy is at a competitive disadvantage with its foreign competition because they have higher costs (which hurt American jobs). Now I'm sure that most of the candy consumed in the United States is made in the United States, but this is an example of how economic protectionism can "double dip" in to the American economy: hurting both consumers and manufacturers. Steel is a very good example of this which came up in a recent discussion in ED-P.

I would much perfer a situation like CAFTA or NAFTA to something like, say the European Union. With such arrangements, the United States can enjoy the benefits of a trading bloc without the significant loss of sovereignty which comes with a political union.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:26 pm


kazuma i couldnt have said it better myself

i didnt like cafta or nafta, but now that you mention it it is alot better than the EU agreement they got over there

im still not a fan though
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:24 am


Is CAFTA in effect now that the House of Representatives (without the Senate) approved it?

Because it's either CAFTA or let Hugo Chavez buy up with South America with a $17 billion "black budget" for spreading socialism ...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:21 pm


Edward Yee
Is CAFTA in effect now that the House of Representatives (without the Senate) approved it?

Because it's either CAFTA or let Hugo Chavez buy up with South America with a $17 billion "black budget" for spreading socialism ...


CAFTA passed it's June 30th vote by 54-45 in the Senate and 217-215 in the House on the 28th so it ended up being approved by both houses.

And you bring up another good reason: to form something of a counter to Chavez. Speaking of Chavez, I read that he is pressing Venezuela's central bank to transfer some of its reserves to a "National Development Fund" called Fonden, which will act like a slush fund controled by Chavez alone, in violation of Venezuela's constitution.

Venezuela's governance gets worse and worse under this guy.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:36 am


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CAFTA passed it's June 30th vote by 54-45 in the Senate and 217-215 in the House on the 28th so it ended up being approved by both houses.
Yes! Presidential signing! CAFTA is in effect, and American economic hegemony rides again! xd
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I read that he is pressing Venezuela's central bank to transfer some of its reserves to a "National Development Fund" called Fonden, which will act like a slush fund controled by Chavez alone, in violation of Venezuela's constitution.
That would be the $17 billion "black budget".

Our current counter other than words is Columbia, the last remaining democratic power in South America, but I fear that Chavez is gaming to topple Alvaro Uribe and with Castro achieve political/military hegemony over South America ...

Edward Yee


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:40 pm


Sounds like I've missed out on some good stuff..*has been in a bubble of stress over more immediate concerns*
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