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 Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:15 am
chaoticpuppet Really, this is a game of semantics; one that I shall partake in. First, definitions 2 and 3 rely entirely on belief. Definition 1 is partially applicable - the part that is applicable is dependent, again, solely on belief. Now, we can say that if there is proof of something, it cannot be believed because it is known. To say it is believed is wrong for the reason that we have a term specifically defined for such an event. This term is knowledge. To know something means that thing has been proven. To believe something means that thing has not been proven... Again, this is a simple game of semantics. As far as proof goes, only scientific proof is accepted. Then again, any objectively researched inquiry into the workings of some mechanism is science. In some ways it is semantics, except there are also some other consequences of synonymously defining "faith" with "blind faith" and that is a fair degree of intolerance and black-labeling of people who are religious. Because of that, the picture becomes a bit different. But to the semantical debacle, it can be argued that if a thing is known, it cannot be believed in. However, there is no thing that is known with 100% certainty, and if anything, we the belief that these methods we used to reach the conclusions, work. There's always a degree of trust involved. It's unfortuante how many 'scientists' take for granted the workings of their own methods, for IMHO, among the most important things of being a good scientist is to be skeptical of your own methods to avoid complacency of righteousness. It has already been stated how only accepting scientific proof is BS. That'd be like religious people requiring science to use divine revalation to exclusion for evidence. It's totally stacking the deck.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:55 am
Kinda backing up here, I realized that faith has a lot to do with loyalty, like the second definition stated. When you're faithful to god(s) (blah, blah, etc.), not only do you believe, but you are loyal to that person. When you are loyal you don't wish to hurt them, but defend them. (Even God needs some help down here nowadays!) Faith is more to do with love and loyalty than belief (as tacky as that sounds lol )
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:45 pm
Mercution Kinda backing up here, I realized that faith has a lot to do with loyalty, like the second definition stated. When you're faithful to god(s) (blah, blah, etc.), not only do you believe, but you are loyal to that person. When you are loyal you don't wish to hurt them, but defend them. (Even God needs some help down here nowadays!) Faith is more to do with love and loyalty than belief (as tacky as that sounds lol ) The ground of that love and loyalty is belief. Therefore belief is the root of faith, and is what one is most concerned with. I wouldn't be loyal to, nor love a god I didn't believe in. I mean, why should I, what reason is there, without that belief?
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:12 pm
chaoticpuppet I wouldn't be loyal to, nor love a god I didn't believe in. I mean, why should I, what reason is there, without that belief? By God man, well said!
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:04 pm
Kalorn i think it's really the belief in something without evidence. the more evidence, the less the faith. that's my personal definition. Actually, my definition of faith is exactly the opposite. To me, faith is knowing without a doubt, having complete and total trust in what you beleive to be true. You can have facts, or you can not have facts. Facts don't enter into the equation.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:58 pm
We learned about hope and faith in my history class last week, and even had to write a paper on it. The definition the teacher gave us was, "A belief in something without proof or trust." I sort of agree with that, because that's basically what faith is, but you can also have faith in something if you do have trust or proof, that will only make your faith stronger.
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:54 pm
To me, faith is knowing that what you beleive is true. It is not to be confused with blind faith, which is beleiving something without looking further into the subject.
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