The only impact you should have on Humans or general RPC/NPC's should be through physical contact, but this can be altered depending on what sort of impact you're aiming for.
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:00 am
Kyeonji
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The only impact you should have on Humans or general RPC/NPC's should be through physical contact, but this can be altered depending on what sort of impact you're aiming for.
I dont see why humans should be immune to the C-Rank effects as opposed to less effected is what I am stating.
I dont see why humans should be immune to the C-Rank effects as opposed to less effected is what I am stating.
Simply because of balancing, it's just a given rule establish for techniques that can allow you to freely affect another RPC's overall body through external forces. For less abusive play you should still require physical contact to establish that sort of connection, and again, I stress a minimum requirement of the user's hands since, much like how Colby pointed before with one of my own Technique. Having the entire body act as a conductor of some-sort is a bit... Unfair since it restricts people from actually attacking in any shape. Whether its E-rank or SS-rank, it should still require physical contact before being able to induce any offensive effect relating to Gravity.
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:07 am
Kyeonji
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I dont see why humans should be immune to the C-Rank effects as opposed to less effected is what I am stating.
Simply because of balancing, it's just a given rule establish for techniques that can allow you to freely affect another RPC's overall body through external forces. For less abusive play you should still require physical contact to establish that sort of connection, and again, I stress a minimum requirement of the user's hands since, much like how Colby pointed before with one of my own Technique. Having the entire body act as a conductor of some-sort is a bit... Unfair since it restricts people from actually attacking in any shape. Whether its E-rank or SS-rank, it should still require physical contact before being able to induce any offensive effect relating to Gravity.
point taken. I'll add that to the C-Rank. Now that it requires physical contact can i call it taijutsu or should i use your suggestion for my c-rank technique?
point taken. I'll add that to the C-Rank. Now that it requires physical contact can i call it taijutsu or should i use your suggestion for my c-rank technique?
If your C-rank technique only allows you to induce a certain gravitational effect on an individual, then it'll just be Ninjutsu in terms of classification. I generally believe Taijutsu and or Nin-Taijutsu should require some level of hand-to-hand combat to actually mix with the Technique. Such as inducing a temporary gravitational force to "pull" a person towards you in order to deliver a kick or a punch.
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:33 am
Kyeonji
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point taken. I'll add that to the C-Rank. Now that it requires physical contact can i call it taijutsu or should i use your suggestion for my c-rank technique?
If your C-rank technique only allows you to induce a certain gravitational effect on an individual, then it'll just be Ninjutsu in terms of classification. I generally believe Taijutsu and or Nin-Taijutsu should require some level of hand-to-hand combat to actually mix with the Technique. Such as inducing a temporary gravitational force to "pull" a person towards you in order to deliver a kick or a punch.
okay.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:15 pm
Kyeonji
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The only impact you should have on Humans or general RPC/NPC's should be through physical contact, but this can be altered depending on what sort of impact you're aiming for.
ima use your taijutsu idea for the S-Rank transformation technique im thinking so pay the transformation no mind until i update you
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:25 pm
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Can you come back and channel their opinions because I'm not even be followed up with.
Alright, so there are naturally, a handful of things I have an issue with when dealing with these Techniques. Some are minor and others are a bit.... Breaking, to be honest with you.
The main issue I have is the description behind your overall description of Techniques ranging from E to SS, you listed the available weaknesses behind them, which I greatly appreciate, but the problem is that the ones you've listed, with the exception of the Elemental Weakness, are Techniques that aren't available to everyone out there. It's honestly incredibly bad to make a Technique who's weakness is something that's reserve. For example, a Technique who's only counter is Black Lightning, that is horrendously bad. You're effectively making yourself weak to a selective few, if not, nobody at all since if nobody learns Black Lightning, then nobody can beat you. Honestly, it'll be better to just remove those Unique techniques and simply leave it as "Weak to Lightning Release".
A second issue that I have ranges from your Techniques SS - B. These Technique seem to imply that their effect is instantaneous, meaning, upon activation they just go into effect without any means to actually stop it or counter it. Effectively, you can spam B-ranks and NOBODY is going to stop you... BUT, I'm going off and assuming one thing. That is, these Rings that you're mentioning, are they visible? Can they be damaged by Lightning Release to halt its stop the Technique? If so, that does make things better, but only slightly since again, SS - B are techniques that induce the Gravitational Affect without having to actually come into contact with an individual. Sure you can comment that you're dealing with the environment rather than an RPC or an NPC, but if you're saying you can pull Biju size objects, you're definitely pulling people into your Technique, at least with your description.
This also jumps to another issue, literally from S - B you're killing anybody who gets pulled into this. The main purpose of me saying you needed physical contact was BECAUSE I wanted a level of counter-play behind your Techniques, effectively, if someone were to be Tagged by your Technique, assuming they had the Elemental advantage then a surge of Lightning Nature would deactivate the Gravitational Influence placed on them, thus making them safe from the Technique. Now, how do you counter-play a Technique that effectively pulls on the entire Environment? Everything around the user is going to be pulled including the floor, it's nearly inescapable.
I can assume that release a pulse of Electricity can "protect" them from being pulled, but the same doesn't account for everything around them that's being hurled towards them or pulled towards yourself. When I request for you to add a Physical Contact Requirement, I didn't mean to half-a** it into just two version and leave the rest as is, I meant the entirety of the Technique. These techniques still need to be fleshed out properly, while I can see your effort into properly implementing balancing there are still things that need to be fixed. Environmental Technique such as those from SS - B rank needs to be reworded.
There likely are more things I haven't mentioned but for now, we'll start off small and work from there, the rest beneath is in regards to your "Secret Techniques"
Alright, so, let me gets this straight with this Transformation Technique and correct me if I'm wrong here:
- The user's body becomes soft? Can they even be damaged by blunt forces?
- These rings are passive? I'm assuming this is allowing you to basically boost your D-rank Technique to B-rank or A-rank without having to use hand seals or whatever, they just boost to the next level without any interval time between them?
- Nothing is perfect, remember that so this "As a result the opponent loses reaction time under the user's chained attacks thus inevitably creating an opening to land a clean blow." should be reworded slightly to not make it seem "unavoidable"
- It sounds as if this makes it impossible to physical harm the user, incoming and outgoing assaults can be redirected, so what? Throw a Kunai at her and it tilts left and avoids? It redirects back towards the thrower? Puncher hand the fist tilts towards the right and misses entirely? Fireball at her and it tilts towards the right and misses entirely? What exactly is stopping her? I get that she's weak to Lightning Release, but is she seriously ONLY weak to Lightning Release now?
Wormholes, Teleportation Technique with better utility. So, you can transport yourself and others. I'm assuming you can also teleport objects and practically anything, right? Going to come back to that one.
Now, that Father Time Technique... Allow me to give you my honest review of it, and I apologize... But, ******** no, like, that is by far the most overpowered thing I've seen. Defying the laws of Physics? That's basically just self-immortality to the point where you can revert basically anything that has ever happened to you, or to anybody. That's even better than immortality, touch a friend that died and revert everything, people don't generally fight for 20+ minutes unless they're stalling and talking halfway through. Lost an arm? Ha, lemme just reverse time and regain my arm. Got trapped somewhere? Can just reverse time and get out. Is that seriously how this works or am I missing something?
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:06 am
Kyeonji
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Alright, so there are naturally, a handful of things I have an issue with when dealing with these Techniques. Some are minor and others are a bit.... Breaking, to be honest with you.
The main issue I have is the description behind your overall description of Techniques ranging from E to SS, you listed the available weaknesses behind them, which I greatly appreciate, but the problem is that the ones you've listed, with the exception of the Elemental Weakness, are Techniques that aren't available to everyone out there. It's honestly incredibly bad to make a Technique who's weakness is something that's reserve. For example, a Technique who's only counter is Black Lightning, that is horrendously bad. You're effectively making yourself weak to a selective few, if not, nobody at all since if nobody learns Black Lightning, then nobody can beat you. Honestly, it'll be better to just remove those Unique techniques and simply leave it as "Weak to Lightning Release". Okay and since weaknesses is a theme somewhere else below in one of your statements. I'll address it there.
A second issue that I have ranges from your Techniques SS - B. These Technique seem to imply that their effect is instantaneous, meaning, upon activation they just go into effect without any means to actually stop it or counter it. Effectively, you can spam B-ranks and NOBODY is going to stop you... False, Yuumei made me add that my SS-Rank generates gradually in case you want to re-read that. it's been there from the start since this technique used to exist. I can also have the S-Rank gradually develop too if you want.
BUT, I'm going off and assuming one thing. That is, these Rings that you're mentioning, are they visible?
It is singular and yes it is visible.
Can they be damaged by Lightning Release to halt its stop the Technique? If so, that does make things better, but only slightly since again, SS - B are techniques that induce the Gravitational Affect without having to actually come into contact with an individual. Sure you can comment that you're dealing with the environment rather than an RPC or an NPC, but if you're saying you can pull Biju size objects, you're definitely pulling people into your Technique, at least with your description.
The ring of energy isn't causing anything, its a product of what's happening. "Ring of energy" was used to replace the word "Quasar" but its function never changed. The "Ring of energy" is simply a physical description of a quasar. Also a blackhole is not an object or a actual tangible item that does something. It's an effect on an area.
This also jumps to another issue, literally from S - B you're killing anybody who gets pulled into this. The main purpose of me saying you needed physical contact was BECAUSE I wanted a level of counter-play behind your Techniques, effectively, if someone were to be Tagged by your Technique, assuming they had the Elemental advantage then a surge of Lightning Nature would deactivate the Gravitational Influence placed on them, thus making them safe from the Technique. Now, how do you counter-play a Technique that effectively pulls on the entire Environment? Everything around the user is going to be pulled including the floor, it's nearly inescapable.
Are you telling me nothing can beat this or are you asking me? If you are asking: My description simply says match the rank, it lists techniques that go against it, and there is an explanation of the range of destruction and the level of destruction that comes with the techniques and their ranks. (which is why the mods wanted me to keep that list handy, so it's not really a guessing game like what you and i have here.)
The technique is not as traumatic as you believe. The floor doesn't even dig nearly as deep as gaara's jutsu at S-Rank and at SS-rank it doesn't range beyond gaara's technique. So by the end of my technique one could effectively block dodge or dig especially with the amount of digging techniques.
Seals are so common and they arent considered uniques. Even the fastest way to seal yourself is automatically available to everyone who starts (kote).
there are other techniques that address energy. There are techniques that drain energy and losing energy wouldnt be new knowledge for black holes since they eventually die out.
There are techniques that redirect energy. There are techniques that change density There are techniques that change mass. There are techniques that change energy There are mind controlling techniques that arent even affected by anything physical There are soul controlling techniques that arent even affected by anything physical. However i listed a bunch of techniques as is; i cant exhaust this list realistically. A demon can survive Sage mode/transformation resist S-rank and below except the SS-Rank. nara clan slips right in especially if you use it creatively. Genjutsu especially binding genjutsu or mind controlling or tranquilizing someone using a genjutsu would work.
I can assume that release a pulse of Electricity can "protect" them from being pulled, but the same doesn't account for everything around them that's being hurled towards them or pulled towards yourself. When I request for you to add a Physical Contact Requirement, I didn't mean to half-a** it into just two version and leave the rest as is, I meant the entirety of the Technique.
Before we continue, I want to address, "Half-assed" in the context I see it here. Please consider your choice of words in reference to the long hard effort I've put here over the months/years far before you were a member. I'm not just sensitive to my work, but to how I do my work. I do not mind you saying these things in general, but maybe it is better suited for a third party who may/may not agree, but is definitely less deeply invested in my work than i am.
If my work looks as you described, then it's not due to half-assery, but miscommunication. Anyway, my response is that I still dont know what you mean tbh... My main description applies lightning as a weakness which means every rank is affected by lightning.
My Sincere Sensitivity Report:
I don't consider myself a half-asser and please use more professional dialogue with me especially in reference to my effort unless I disrespect(ed) you. In this case clearly I thought I understood you, but clearly i have not judging by the kind of response I got.
My technique has been getting worked/reworked for about 2 years now and I dont consider that half assing nor how patient ive been for the last few months trying to get it approved as a clan or the months it took for it not to get approved when it was just a technique. My technique descriptions are among one of the most researched and one of the most lengthy descriptions in the entire guild. All of my techniques are pretyped and I believe you messaged me about that as well. I am always one of the highest post counts despite that i always quit the guild and come back. I was even an active mod when others gave up.
I consider myself detailed and patient. I understand if you do not agree, but if you could use friendlier words when talking to me about me. This custom technique is a struggle, so I am being as polite as I can be. (trying new things)
You may not have meant to offend me, but I statements like that do effect my responses to you and how we interact. Hopefully, you don't feel that I have said anything untruthful and/or hurtful about your character. If so I advise letting me know before we move on in any topic. Thank you
These techniques still need to be fleshed out properly, while I can see your effort into properly implementing balancing there are still things that need to be fixed. Environmental Technique such as those from SS - B rank needs to be reworded.
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There likely are more things I haven't mentioned but for now, we'll start off small and work from there, the rest beneath is in regards to your "Secret Techniques"
These are not up for criticism just yet.
I know you have a lot of work, so you might have missed the PM i sent. I give you a heads up so that we do not exchange unnecessary dialogue or do additional work as I would despise having someone get upset for having to thumb through my unfinished work without warning and getting frustrated either with my work or me. It's more so to protect myself.
In addition there is no point of you checking out a technique that is going to change considerably. I really just want to finish my orbit technique so I have a technique I can use for the moment.
With that said I'll consider your advice below, but I do not expect an approval for my secret techniques. Let's try one thing at a time because we both are backed up. I will give responses below as to how I feel, but again these techniques might be deleted or reworded for any reason.
Alright, so, let me gets this straight with this Transformation Technique and correct me if I'm wrong here:
- The user's body becomes soft?
yes
Can they even be damaged by blunt forces?
yes, they're just flexible. its doesnt have elastic stretch like orochimaru or give under pressure. It's less folk tale and more like being a contortionist.
- These rings are passive? I'm assuming this is allowing you to basically boost your D-rank Technique to B-rank or A-rank without having to use hand seals or whatever, they just boost to the next level without any interval time between them?
no, they are like precursors. They dont exist until you activate them and then you can activate them with another technique that is "blackhole" *quotation fingers* related. My intentions were to make this technique so that I could place one of these cursors somewhere and then activate a technique as opposed to always having to be the source of gravity.
Also to answer the other question. No they don't make the techniques stronger. I wouldnt need that, i can simply use the stronger version which is why i made different strength variations and ranges.
As for the transformation itself, it doesn't boost the techniques a rank or anything, but the techniques will spool up faster with less energy and effort.
- Nothing is perfect, remember that so this "As a result the opponent loses reaction time under the user's chained attacks thus inevitably creating an opening to land a clean blow." should be reworded slightly to not make it seem "unavoidable"
I hear you, I am still working on that technique. I copied wording from kimimaro's technique which does the same thing. The techniques description versus whats in the show lets us know what that looks like. I might just attach a link of what that movement looks like.
- It sounds as if this makes it impossible to physical harm the user, incoming and outgoing assaults can be redirected, so what? Throw a Kunai at her and it tilts left and avoids? It redirects back towards the thrower? Puncher hand the fist tilts towards the right and misses entirely? Fireball at her and it tilts towards the right and misses entirely? What exactly is stopping her? I get that she's weak to Lightning Release, but is she seriously ONLY weak to Lightning Release now?
no, higher ranked techniques thermal techniques energy draining techniques energy moving time space techs for b rank any item larger than a boulder like an akimichi for a rank anything bigger than a tree like an akimichi yamanaka colbys clan many genjutsu lightning release
Wormholes, Teleportation Technique with better utility. So, you can transport yourself and others. I'm assuming you can also teleport objects and practically anything, right? Going to come back to that one.
Pretty much, but im pretty aware i cant transport myself or other individuals to another thread... in case that's what you were getting back to.
Now, that Father Time Technique... Allow me to give you my honest review of it, and I apologize... But, ******** no, like, that is by far the most overpowered thing I've seen. Defying the laws of Physics? That's basically just self-immortality to the point where you can revert basically anything that has ever happened to you, or to anybody. That's even better than immortality, touch a friend that died and revert everything, people don't generally fight for 20+ minutes unless they're stalling and talking halfway through. Lost an arm? Ha, lemme just reverse time and regain my arm. Got trapped somewhere? Can just reverse time and get out. Is that seriously how this works or am I missing something?
You are missing that I have to make hand contact with someone and not something and it only effects the individual touched and the items they interacted with.
What I intended was if they interacted with someone during that duration of time reversal, then that person would exist as a transparency like the precursor i mentioned in my transformation. They would continue to exist as they normally would, but the target would re-experience the transparencies. Like an alternative timeline occurring right before every ones eyes that doesnt effect them just the individual.
I have no idea how I am using time on this technique. This technique was just slapped on last and if you look at it, well its still pretty bare. I never worked out timing i just threw some numbers and said id get back to it. I was not expecting to review this with you due to the message i sent you about my secret techniques not being ready. Notice how the lowest rank is 2 seconds and it progresses up to 30 minutes in a random fashion.
SS: Misses a skip and erases an object. S: +/- 30 minutes A: +/- 15 minutes B: +/- 28 seconds C: +/- 6 seconds D: +/- 2 second
Also I would add descriptions to each rank as you noticed is my habit.
Also everything under father time is not the techniques description. Theres two techniques under father time, but since i wasnt done I never got to name the other one or finish it either.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:23 pm
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am i patient enough?
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:21 am
Kyeonji
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The issues in my reason behind not approve this still remains, these techniques on the Offensive means are still lacking a Balance behind them. Effectively, nobody is going to be able to go up against a Blackhole with their own Strength/Ninjutsu when the force can basically pull and ******** anyone's life up, that is, by far, the biggest issue that I currently have with this as Gravitational Abilities can be extremely difficult if not properly manage. These aren't properly managed, they don't have actual counters, they don't really show an actual weakness that can potentially be exploited. I could barely argue that one can try sticking themselves to the ground in order to resist the Gravitational Pull, but no, the ground under is likely going to get pulled off.
Even at the lowest rank, this thing shows no actual weakness to be mentioned and it generally falls into that and brings that question up. "What is its actual weakness, can you effectively go up against this?" These are all Omnidirectional which also makes it even worse and even more difficult for me to actually want to approve this due to a history of Overly unstoppable Techniques being approved left and right, Characters that were effectively unstoppable to their kits and that's something that I, and I sure hope everyone else, can try to understand and help prevent.
So, I want you to work on this a bit more because this isn't a Balance Technique, work on giving it a Weakness and better Limitation, an all-around Omnidirectional Technique isn't always okay and even worse on this particular style of Technique. You're free to check out other Custom Techniques to get an idea on what We mean by Balancing and Counters/Weaknesses.
Whats mostly frustrating about this process is I am waiting super long for someone who feels like this. I don't feel he/she is even trying.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:27 am
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im starting over with a new thread and everything so my temperature can drop. Gonna start fresh to undo all the none sense applied.