Ok, This thread was intended in a large part because Kor and DLS and Burner have fought before on another guild.
If you read DLS's and Prince Burner's profiles, you know they have a couple of very specific abilities that tread very lightly on the godmodding territory.
1- Phasing. It is an innate ability where they can teleport themselves just about anywhere within or to any plane or universe. That's how DLS and Burner got from their current home to the RP planet. Normally, DLS doesn't use it during battles because, yes, it treads that fine line. Imagine you are trying to attack her, maybe what could be a fatal blow and -whamo- she disappears and then reappears behind you and attacks. It is one of her abilities, but how many times would she be allowed to use it in a battle?
- Normally, she would only use it if her life was in imminent danger and she needs to get the hell out of there. Plain and simply, defense mechanism to save her ever living life. BUT, that has never had to happen and it would take someone a hell of a lot stronger than she is to put her in that state. Again- read her profile people.
Prince Burner- hereafter to be referred to only as Burner- wouldn't hesitate to do it more often. He is a rogue when it comes to battles and as his profile states, hates to lose and will cheat. It's his boyish nature. Remember, he's a dragon DEMON. Young demons cannot always be trusted, regardless if they are royal blood. Mom tried her best, but boys will be boys.
2- Telepathy/telekinesis. Normally she only uses it with her own kind- dragon demons. But they are spread out all over the multiverses and she is their queen. She needs to communicate with them, so no mechanics are used. She has the power and so does her heir apparent- Burner. She has used telekinesis in the past, but only to save her own kind. - At that time, her clan was under attack in more than one universe. She needed to save her clan and destroy the attackers. It was the first time she had to defend them in this manner. She got extremely angry and wanted the enemy annihilated, utterly and completely, leaving no trace of them, but wanted her own safe. She was able to simultaneously teleport her dragons to the safety of another dragon realm and then destroyed three universes. Everything and everyone else in those universes ceased to exist. She has that ability when enraged. So far it has only happened once and it involved saving her own. Read the profile people. - I don't think that could ever happen in this RP- save that if her son was in that kind of danger- she MIGHT teleport him out, whether he wanted it or not.
DLS (I will continue to abbreviate her name) will NEVER run from a fight
As far as the telepathy goes. She is strong with dragon demons, can read other species sometimes, but cannot communicate with them. On occasion, she has been able to give telepathic orders to lower species, but you have to determine what you consider lower species. I would say no one in the RP will be considered lower species. Animals are fair game.
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:33 am
Suzie_Rue
Nicely said. Yes as you said this thread originally had been created to do that. I broadened the topic a little more to encompass more things for this first meeting and didn't directly mention what you just mentioned about when the "Phasing In and Out" is something that people will consider Godmodding. I probably would've brought it up at some point during the meeting, but I think it's better that you brought it up yourself. I'm just gonna edit you quoting else into your last post so that they're all alerted to what you have said. Just quote them all yourself next time you mention something that is that important in a meeting that it should have everybody's attention, ok?
I thought this would be worth mentioning just while we're explaining abilities to everyone, Sedhor himself possesses NO innate magic with *two* exceptions, those being his personal card (The Wheel of Fortune) which he can materialize even if he loses it, due to it being bound to his spirit, and his ability to manipulate his playing cards.
His limited elemental magic outside his 'gambling' game comes from his tarot deck, and has to be on his person to call on, and his 'gambling' game draws magic from the playing cards, not himself. I feel it's somewhat important to make this point for a couple of reasons.
1. If someone were to try and prevent him from using magic, assuming it comes from inside him, and somehow prevented him from drawing on his natural, limited magic (the card manipulation), the cards would still have their own magic within themselves.
2. If someone were to remove his cards from his person, or prevent magical artifacts from being used, but failed to limit his own magic (assuming the magic comes from the cards and NOT him) he could still manipulate cards as normal, he simply couldnt 'gamble' or use magic outside that.
I don't really see this being much of an issue, but I thought it may end up being important to know where his magicks come from.
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:14 am
I might as well put it out there that Fiyah is Conditionally Immortal, he won't die unless the circumstances of his death were either Heroic (Self Sacrifice and all that) or Justified (He had it coming) in addition he is capable of pausing, reversing, speeding up and slowing down time around him as well as taking it from others in a myriad of ways (wasting it with talk, outright taking it like magic, attacking when opponent is unprepared.) as well as a variety of other Godly Techniques and Abilities gained from his status as a God Tier who helped create the Universe (like the whole thing, not a small chunk). That being said, he still fights and bleeds like a mortal, he just won't stay down long. In addition for most of his time abilities to work, he has to have ample enough time for it (like a sort of debit card for things like speeding up time and halting it) which is why compared to other Time Players, he needs to be frugal with how he uses his powers or he'll have to rely on more conventional weaponry.
I might as well put it out there that Fiyah is Conditionally Immortal, he won't die unless the circumstances of his death were either Heroic (Self Sacrifice and all that) or Justified (He had it coming) in addition he is capable of pausing, reversing, speeding up and slowing down time around him as well as taking it from others in a myriad of ways (wasting it with talk, outright taking it like magic, attacking when opponent is unprepared.) as well as a variety of other Godly Techniques and Abilities gained from his status as a God Tier who helped create the Universe (like the whole thing, not a small chunk). That being said, he still fights and bleeds like a mortal, he just won't stay down long. In addition for most of his time abilities to work, he has to have ample enough time for it (like a sort of debit card for things like speeding up time and halting it) which is why compared to other Time Players, he needs to be frugal with how he uses his powers or he'll have to rely on more conventional weaponry.
How about putting that in a profile? If you wish to use your old Fiyah profile as a start then it's in the Spoiler as I copied and pasted it from your previous character profile thread in the RP Archives SubForum, which is for retired RPs and other threads related to them.
Now when you say he helped create the entire Universe, did you mean the entire Multiverse (including all SubMultiverses from any franchise that currently exists and will ever exist in the future) or did you mean his Universe or Universe's Sub-Multiverse? If it's the latter, then I'm assuming he comes from a lower level of the God Tier since Tier 1 created the Omniverse (including Unreality the realm of the Gods) and the Tier 2 Gods are created things like the Multiverse and anything other large scale infinitely expanding domains that do so at a rate that is hard to comprehend. Also I'm sure you know about this, but for the sake of it being on record and all, make sure you don't Godmod when you use certain powers of his.
Speaking of Godmodding, what's your definition of the term? Also do you have any input as for what Nerf-Mechanics Tiers would exist below City Extinction Level? I just honestly can't come up with names for what would be below that. I mean below City Extinction Level would be things like how much power they have on a level inbetween that of a human/mortal without superhuman/supermortal or supernatural powers and that of City Extinction. I mean there are probably at least 2 or 3 that would go below that, but as to what they'd be named or labeled as I am completely stumped.
RPer(s) Username(s): OmgIisonfiyah Character Name: Fiyah (Full name: OmgIisonfiyah) Age: 19 Sexual Orientation: Straight Bio: FOOL! I'll tell you when you ask any appropriate questions FOOL! Abilities/Transformations/Techniques: Heart of The Cards, Persona, Awesome-Ninjatastic-Homestuck Alchemy Affialitions: TSSA Other Info: Incredibly insane, but he's just that fun kind of insane. Appearance:
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:24 pm
Kor Saiyajinkami
Nerf-Mechanics Tiers would exist below City Extinction Level?
I imagine below 'city level' would be something like 'District level'
You know, something thats still sizable but MUCH weaker than a complete city wide destruction.
Then there'd probably be something along the lines of "Local Area Level" Where it's still more than, say, a single person but not even a sizable part of a city. Something more like, say, youre in a large mall, and you destroy the entire mall (something like, say, the Mall of America in the twin cities of minnesota.)
If there's something in between or below that, idk.
Nerf-Mechanics Tiers would exist below City Extinction Level?
I imagine below 'city level' would be something like 'District level'
You know, something thats still sizable but MUCH weaker than a complete city wide destruction.
Then there'd probably be something along the lines of "Local Area Level" Where it's still more than, say, a single person but not even a sizable part of a city. Something more like, say, youre in a large mall, and you destroy the entire mall (something like, say, the Mall of America in the twin cities of minnesota.)
If there's something in between or below that, idk.
Below "Local Area Level" would probably just be something along the lines of Low Level Superhuman Capabilites and No Superhuman Abilities. Thanks for that. I'll add those in and the 2 I came up with after you kinda helped give my brain a kickstart for thinking up them.
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:30 pm
Kor Saiyajinkami
SilentVex
Kor Saiyajinkami
Nerf-Mechanics Tiers would exist below City Extinction Level?
I imagine below 'city level' would be something like 'District level'
You know, something thats still sizable but MUCH weaker than a complete city wide destruction.
Then there'd probably be something along the lines of "Local Area Level" Where it's still more than, say, a single person but not even a sizable part of a city. Something more like, say, youre in a large mall, and you destroy the entire mall (something like, say, the Mall of America in the twin cities of minnesota.)
If there's something in between or below that, idk.
Below "Local Area Level" would probably just be something along the lines of Low Level Superhuman Capabilites and No Superhuman Abilities. Thanks for that. I'll add those in and the 2 I came up with after you kinda helped give my brain a kickstart for thinking up them.
Not a problem, to be honest it was hard to come up with anything besides the 'District' level, and I wanted to come up with more than just one. One isnt helpful, two is helpful.
Nerf-Mechanics Tiers would exist below City Extinction Level?
I imagine below 'city level' would be something like 'District level'
You know, something thats still sizable but MUCH weaker than a complete city wide destruction.
Then there'd probably be something along the lines of "Local Area Level" Where it's still more than, say, a single person but not even a sizable part of a city. Something more like, say, youre in a large mall, and you destroy the entire mall (something like, say, the Mall of America in the twin cities of minnesota.)
If there's something in between or below that, idk.
Below "Local Area Level" would probably just be something along the lines of Low Level Superhuman Capabilites and No Superhuman Abilities. Thanks for that. I'll add those in and the 2 I came up with after you kinda helped give my brain a kickstart for thinking up them.
Not a problem, to be honest it was hard to come up with anything besides the 'District' level, and I wanted to come up with more than just one. One isnt helpful, two is helpful.
Indeed and I greatly appreciate it. Now we can focus on the topics regarding Godmodding like if DLS's species's ability to phase in and out of dimension/Universes/etc would be considered Godmodding if used in battle and how many times it could be used in battle before it might be considered to be Godmodding?
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:53 am
On the topic of a what characters can do... I sort of made Leon Proud a wimp. His moveset revolves around having naturally high physical and intellectual attributes being backed up by his ability to temporarily create solid items/terrain out of red-hot 'light', and his ability to generate and control electricity. Otherwise he uses his wits, the resources of the X-Universal Faction, and a few well placed friends between him and his problems. Not the sort of character who is at risking of godmodding, really.
I might as well put it out there that Fiyah is Conditionally Immortal, he won't die unless the circumstances of his death were either Heroic (Self Sacrifice and all that) or Justified (He had it coming) in addition he is capable of pausing, reversing, speeding up and slowing down time around him as well as taking it from others in a myriad of ways (wasting it with talk, outright taking it like magic, attacking when opponent is unprepared.) as well as a variety of other Godly Techniques and Abilities gained from his status as a God Tier who helped create the Universe (like the whole thing, not a small chunk). That being said, he still fights and bleeds like a mortal, he just won't stay down long. In addition for most of his time abilities to work, he has to have ample enough time for it (like a sort of debit card for things like speeding up time and halting it) which is why compared to other Time Players, he needs to be frugal with how he uses his powers or he'll have to rely on more conventional weaponry.
How about putting that in a profile? If you wish to use your old Fiyah profile as a start then it's in the Spoiler as I copied and pasted it from your previous character profile thread in the RP Archives SubForum, which is for retired RPs and other threads related to them.
Now when you say he helped create the entire Universe, did you mean the entire Multiverse (including all SubMultiverses from any franchise that currently exists and will ever exist in the future) or did you mean his Universe or Universe's Sub-Multiverse? If it's the latter, then I'm assuming he comes from a lower level of the God Tier since Tier 1 created the Omniverse (including Unreality the realm of the Gods) and the Tier 2 Gods are created things like the Multiverse and anything other large scale infinitely expanding domains that do so at a rate that is hard to comprehend. Also I'm sure you know about this, but for the sake of it being on record and all, make sure you don't Godmod when you use certain powers of his.
Speaking of Godmodding, what's your definition of the term? Also do you have any input as for what Nerf-Mechanics Tiers would exist below City Extinction Level? I just honestly can't come up with names for what would be below that. I mean below City Extinction Level would be things like how much power they have on a level inbetween that of a human/mortal without superhuman/supermortal or supernatural powers and that of City Extinction. I mean there are probably at least 2 or 3 that would go below that, but as to what they'd be named or labeled as I am completely stumped.
RPer(s) Username(s): OmgIisonfiyah Character Name: Fiyah (Full name: OmgIisonfiyah) Age: 19 Sexual Orientation: Straight Bio: FOOL! I'll tell you when you ask any appropriate questions FOOL! Abilities/Transformations/Techniques: Heart of The Cards, Persona, Awesome-Ninjatastic-Homestuck Alchemy Affialitions: TSSA Other Info: Incredibly insane, but he's just that fun kind of insane. Appearance:
It's a paradoxical existence, for him to enter Paradox Space he has to have lived in existence, and yet he has and will create the entire universe. Coming Before but also After. I would call it Tier 0, but that's just me.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:33 am
omgIisonfiyah
Kor Saiyajinkami
omgIisonfiyah
I might as well put it out there that Fiyah is Conditionally Immortal, he won't die unless the circumstances of his death were either Heroic (Self Sacrifice and all that) or Justified (He had it coming) in addition he is capable of pausing, reversing, speeding up and slowing down time around him as well as taking it from others in a myriad of ways (wasting it with talk, outright taking it like magic, attacking when opponent is unprepared.) as well as a variety of other Godly Techniques and Abilities gained from his status as a God Tier who helped create the Universe (like the whole thing, not a small chunk). That being said, he still fights and bleeds like a mortal, he just won't stay down long. In addition for most of his time abilities to work, he has to have ample enough time for it (like a sort of debit card for things like speeding up time and halting it) which is why compared to other Time Players, he needs to be frugal with how he uses his powers or he'll have to rely on more conventional weaponry.
How about putting that in a profile? If you wish to use your old Fiyah profile as a start then it's in the Spoiler as I copied and pasted it from your previous character profile thread in the RP Archives SubForum, which is for retired RPs and other threads related to them.
Now when you say he helped create the entire Universe, did you mean the entire Multiverse (including all SubMultiverses from any franchise that currently exists and will ever exist in the future) or did you mean his Universe or Universe's Sub-Multiverse? If it's the latter, then I'm assuming he comes from a lower level of the God Tier since Tier 1 created the Omniverse (including Unreality the realm of the Gods) and the Tier 2 Gods are created things like the Multiverse and anything other large scale infinitely expanding domains that do so at a rate that is hard to comprehend. Also I'm sure you know about this, but for the sake of it being on record and all, make sure you don't Godmod when you use certain powers of his.
Speaking of Godmodding, what's your definition of the term? Also do you have any input as for what Nerf-Mechanics Tiers would exist below City Extinction Level? I just honestly can't come up with names for what would be below that. I mean below City Extinction Level would be things like how much power they have on a level inbetween that of a human/mortal without superhuman/supermortal or supernatural powers and that of City Extinction. I mean there are probably at least 2 or 3 that would go below that, but as to what they'd be named or labeled as I am completely stumped.
RPer(s) Username(s): OmgIisonfiyah Character Name: Fiyah (Full name: OmgIisonfiyah) Age: 19 Sexual Orientation: Straight Bio: FOOL! I'll tell you when you ask any appropriate questions FOOL! Abilities/Transformations/Techniques: Heart of The Cards, Persona, Awesome-Ninjatastic-Homestuck Alchemy Affialitions: TSSA Other Info: Incredibly insane, but he's just that fun kind of insane. Appearance:
It's a paradoxical existence, for him to enter Paradox Space he has to have lived in existence, and yet he has and will create the entire universe. Coming Before but also After. I would call it Tier 0, but that's just me.
If it's just one Universe then or one Sub-Multiverse then I would call that below Tier 2. Ya know what as I was starting to type up the below description for the God Tiers it hit me that I decided to readjust the Tier system by -1 from every Tier so it starts with Tier 0.
The God Tiers System
Just to put this out there beforehand, Gods of 2 Tier or lower can get powerful enough to be a God of a Higher Tier. If they don't expand their dominion that doesn't necessarily mean they haven't moved to the next Tier
Tier 0 [formerly Tier 1 until this post]: The God of the Omniverse (the only god of this Tier)
Tier 1 [formerly Tier 2 until this post]: Gods of Any Realm of Existence that is would rival the Multiverse (also includes the God of the Multiverse too)
From here on out I'm gonna stop putting in brackets "the formerly Tier x until this post" thing as the new Tier 2 mightn't've been on my previous Tier system and I may or may not have combined some Tiers together.
Tier 2: Sub-Multiverse Gods (some of them might've created the Sub-Multiverses they are God for, whereas others didn't and just are the God of that Sub-Multiverses)
Tier 3: Sub-Sub-Multiverse Gods (their very much like Tier 4 Gods, but have so many Universes in their domain that they deserve to not be lumped in with Tier 4 Gods) [Sub-Sub-Multiverses: a massive amount of Universes that has a reason to be separated from the rest maybe because the franchise had a reboot that is very different from the previous incarnation or anime didn't branched off from the manga at some point so each would technically be a separate Sub-Sub-Muliverse]
Tier 4: Universal Gods (Gods that rule over one or more Universes; they extremely rarely were the creators of their dominion)
Tier 5: Galactic Gods (Gods that rule over one or more Galaxies within a certain Universe)
Tier 6: Planetary Gods (These Gods technically only exist as Gods because enough sentient beings thought them to be Gods that their collective beliefs throughout their Sub-Multiverse created a Sub-Sub-Multiverse where they truly were the Gods they were thought to be in those Universes as the collective that created their Sub-Sub-Multiverse thought they were [some prime examples: the Gods of all ancient polytheistic religions and in my eyes the Gods of the current monotheistic religions {anyone reading this shouldn't take offense to this since these are just my religious beliefs that Gods are mortal beings/extra-terrastrials (aliens) that ancient primitive humans labeled as Gods because they didn't understand mortals can achieve all those feats thru highly advanced technology that's on a level of technology that even our current present time human civilization hasn't achieved yet; if you wish to speak to me about these viewpoints, I'm more than happy to SPEAK about them, not ARGUE about them}])
Tier X: Gods that Have No Dominion or Rule Over a Diminion Lesser than What They Could Rule Over (Technically they would fall into one of the Tiers 1-6, but it's not so easy to label them as Gods of one of those Tiers since you'd hafta compare them to Gods in those Tiers in terms of how powerful and intelligent they are)
Kor, DLS has it in her profile, that her status among many is level goddess. Since she has the ability to at least destroy multiple universes at once using her telepathic abilities and be able to simultaneously transport innocents to a safe universe. So, you need to decide what is her level in this RP.
Remember, DLS has far greater powers than Burner. His telepathy will work with DLS and any dragon demons, and he can phase in and out, but he cannot destroy universes. His abilities are far below hers. His capabilities are more on the planet-wide destruction level. He is a royal demon, but younger, less experienced. As far as his telepathy, he cannot control anything but smaller animals at best, but he can sense danger from others and that will include the others in the RP,
SilentVex
Scentrus Darmoset
Dusky of Old
Anubasx3
omgIisonfiyah
Angelic Lupine
Everyone, please., we still need to chime in on the phasing question. Since it is an innate ability. As the profile states, DLS doesn't normally use that ability herself, unless there are extreme measures. She will phase out of a battle if she is about to die- self preservation. And she can, but has not yet , phased out and phased back in BEHIND an attacker to strike at him.
Burner has done the latter and several times. THAT, if done several times I call cheating. And as his profile states, Burner hates to lose and he will cheat. But he also saves his allies that way.
So, let's hear your ideas, pro and con.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:56 pm
Suzie Rue
Everyone, please., we still need to chime in on the phasing question. Since it is an innate ability. As the profile states, DLS doesn't normally use that ability herself, unless there are extreme measures. She will phase out of a battle if she is about to die- self preservation. And she can, but has not yet , phased out and phased back in BEHIND an attacker to strike at him.
Burner has done the latter and several times. THAT, if done several times I call cheating. And as his profile states, Burner hates to lose and he will cheat. But he also saves his allies that way.
So, let's hear your ideas, pro and con.
The way I see it it's similar in question to Kor's instant transmission, no? just with greater power. In that case I see little problems with it as an ability, at least for DLS as she seems to have some sense of honour about it.
With Burner I imagine it would happen at least once. And it would, at least in the case of my own characters, be little more than an annoyance. Against an NPC I imagine it would have almost no problems but most, if not all, characters in RP seem to be of some sort of heightened perception, more aware of the situation. In that case I would imagine it would be an amusing trick, little more.
The con of course would be how it is used, if we can't legitimize characters being able to survive such a technique it would be incredibly overpowered. As I said against my own characters it wouldn't be a godmod technique, as one is able to sense disturbances by hearing them and one is simply too attuned to combat to be caught off guard by such a move. All in all I would think it is a situational type of move, at least as far as godmodding is concerned.
Kor, DLS has it in her profile, that her status among many is level goddess. Since she has the ability to at least destroy multiple universes at once using her telepathic abilities and be able to simultaneously transport innocents to a safe universe. So, you need to decide what is her level in this RP.
Remember, DLS has far greater powers than Burner. His telepathy will work with DLS and any dragon demons, and he can phase in and out, but he cannot destroy universes. His abilities are far below hers. His capabilities are more on the planet-wide destruction level. He is a royal demon, but younger, less experienced. As far as his telepathy, he cannot control anything but smaller animals at best, but he can sense danger from others and that will include the others in the RP,
SilentVex
Scentrus Darmoset
Dusky of Old
Anubasx3
omgIisonfiyah
Angelic Lupine
Everyone, please., we still need to chime in on the phasing question. Since it is an innate ability. As the profile states, DLS doesn't normally use that ability herself, unless there are extreme measures. She will phase out of a battle if she is about to die- self preservation. And she can, but has not yet , phased out and phased back in BEHIND an attacker to strike at him.
Burner has done the latter and several times. THAT, if done several times I call cheating. And as his profile states, Burner hates to lose and he will cheat. But he also saves his allies that way.
So, let's hear your ideas, pro and con.
Honestly so long as you don't abuse this ability, i.e metagaming.. And more as a way of moving plot points forward, or saving yourself from imminent death.. (Because nobody should be allowed to kill another's character without proper consent) then you should be fine.
