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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:32 pm
Shinobi Kitty Yeah..moms not too vocal about this. o.o She was kinda like, "Well, its your thing. Do whatever." when I first told her and just..went to bed. :: blinks :: Moms not very supportive. >.>; Its so much better than having your mom try and make you straight sweatdrop And make you change friends... etc. And my mom thinks she's supportive of me >_>!! Believe me.. you're so lucky crying !
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:35 pm
Sh'nobes, everyone's made some good points, but this is my advice. Go to the PFLAG website. They have a whole section (and I think a printable Acrobat document) about starting a GSA (or something like it). Also, if you can, get the support of someone, anyone on your school staff. Is there a teacher, anyone you can talk to? What you're trying to do is very difficult. Trust me, I know -- I tried to do it myself this past year.
The most important thing, though, is not to endanger yourself. There is an inherent risk in trying something like this, but you can judge your situation better than I. No matter how noble or brave you are, no matter how important what you're doing is, it does no one any good for you to get hurt.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:11 pm
Astri Sh'nobes, everyone's made some good points, but this is my advice. Go to the PFLAG website. They have a whole section (and I think a printable Acrobat document) about starting a GSA (or something like it). Also, if you can, get the support of someone, anyone on your school staff. Is there a teacher, anyone you can talk to? What you're trying to do is very difficult. Trust me, I know -- I tried to do it myself this past year. The most important thing, though, is not to endanger yourself. There is an inherent risk in trying something like this, but you can judge your situation better than I. No matter how noble or brave you are, no matter how important what you're doing is, it does no one any good for you to get hurt. Not true. A martyr can do a lot for a cause, if whoever's left knows how to use the advantage. I'm not saying I want to see her hurt, her safety is much prefered, just saying that it won't necessarily kill the club.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:16 pm
Vague Astri Sh'nobes, everyone's made some good points, but this is my advice. Go to the PFLAG website. They have a whole section (and I think a printable Acrobat document) about starting a GSA (or something like it). Also, if you can, get the support of someone, anyone on your school staff. Is there a teacher, anyone you can talk to? What you're trying to do is very difficult. Trust me, I know -- I tried to do it myself this past year. The most important thing, though, is not to endanger yourself. There is an inherent risk in trying something like this, but you can judge your situation better than I. No matter how noble or brave you are, no matter how important what you're doing is, it does no one any good for you to get hurt. Not true. A martyr can do a lot for a cause, if whoever's left knows how to use the advantage. I'm not saying I want to see her hurt, her safety is much prefered, just saying that it won't necessarily kill the club. Okay, yes, that's true. Let me rephrase: I'm horribly overprotective. I don't want to see you hurt. I don't want to say anything that might incourage you to get hurt. Also, as well and good as "going down with a fight" is, how do you know that you'll do the most good going down here? You're still really young. Be careful.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:48 pm
Astri Vague Astri Sh'nobes, everyone's made some good points, but this is my advice. Go to the PFLAG website. They have a whole section (and I think a printable Acrobat document) about starting a GSA (or something like it). Also, if you can, get the support of someone, anyone on your school staff. Is there a teacher, anyone you can talk to? What you're trying to do is very difficult. Trust me, I know -- I tried to do it myself this past year. The most important thing, though, is not to endanger yourself. There is an inherent risk in trying something like this, but you can judge your situation better than I. No matter how noble or brave you are, no matter how important what you're doing is, it does no one any good for you to get hurt. Not true. A martyr can do a lot for a cause, if whoever's left knows how to use the advantage. I'm not saying I want to see her hurt, her safety is much prefered, just saying that it won't necessarily kill the club. Okay, yes, that's true. Let me rephrase: I'm horribly overprotective. I don't want to see you hurt. I don't want to say anything that might incourage you to get hurt. Also, as well and good as "going down with a fight" is, how do you know that you'll do the most good going down here? You're still really young. Be careful. Just to be clear, I'm debating here, not chastising or belittling you. I think some things are worth fighting for. I think some things are worth dying for( I don't count patriotism among them). It's important to know what the risks are inherent in any activity, and then to take it as far as you believe is right. PS: encourage
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:43 am
Thanks. xp I'm a horrible speller. I usually try to run things through spell-check first...
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:45 pm
Well things have progressed quickly.
Thursday - I mentioned this to someone who supported gay marriage openly, Victor.
Friay - We discussed tentative plans to try and form the GSA.
Saturday/Sunday - Victor wrote the proposal, emailed the superintendant of the school, emailed the school principal, and began gathering research and resources to help us out.
Monday - Im made aware of this, we begin tentatively putting guidelines, a mission statement, and other well organized information together so we're prepared for questioning.
Tuesday - Superintendant visits school; has private discussion with principal.
Wednesday - Victor is called down while Im at a doctors appointment and is told the basics. Mr. Muston decides he will call other schools with GSA factions, do 'research', and gives an estimate of a week to wait. We are also given instructions of being to look for a school sponsor and gathering any information we will need.
In a week we're hoping to have some sponsor candidates, a grudging approval from Mr. Muston, and the beginnings of a GSA. We have four to six weeks after being approved on which we're on probationary status.
During this our performance and other aspects will be judged. They cant shut us down once we begin unless we cause godly amounts of illegal trouble clearly defined in the school rules which we plan to not do. ^^;
Victor says to be prepared for protestors, my mom says to be prepared for the police to be at our first meeting in order to protect us. :: blinks :: Reassuring, eh?
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:53 pm
Well, it sounds like things are progessing, then. Good. smile Good luck. Be careful.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:11 pm
Hope everything goes smoothly, Sh'nobes! Good luck! 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:50 pm
The rate at which Victor works is so amazing to me! I would have wanted to be peaceful about it, but he's throwing it into their faces in the most legal manner he can..!
o.o
I cant wait to see what happens. I worry about the safety of our straight supporters and of the members themselves more then my own safety. I simply become a martyr to the cause if I lose my life.
I can understand dieing for a cause, but I dont want to think of the verbal harassment Im going to endure. Thank god I ride the bus, Im scared for Victor who drives home.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:31 pm
Martyrism costs lives, especially of good-natured and decent people. Something the world desperately needs more of. When one does die, people just love twisting things into something they're not, whether it be for or against what the person actually stood for. The worst part is they no longer have a say in the matter.
Just try to be safe, alright? sad
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:59 pm
please, just. please. martyr... nooo... to dies for a cause can be a waste of a life is the cause means nothing in the stream. a pebble may be a part of the ocean but water wears down the pebble to nothing in time.
Moral: A life is a sad thing to lose, and eventually, it may have been lost for nothing because little effect took place
I don't mean to sound like it's hopeless but... i'm sorry, i'll shut up...
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:46 am
Well, I'm glad things went well for you. I hope that things work out and that nothing bad does happen. I know that it's just repeating what a lot of people have said but try not to get hurt. Good luck!
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:06 pm
You're living heroes, kid. We're behind you all the way. I do have one request though. If you don't mind, could you make arrangements for us to know if something happens and you can't get online?
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:52 pm
Thank you for the suggestion Vague, and I will do that. Ive got a friend who my family would call incase of something happening to me and he has access to most of my accounts on games, forums, and such for this reason. ^^;
If you guys want, I can keep you updated on the gritty parts of this formation. I need some opinions and advice though, espcially if anyone here is transgendered.
Victor identifies himself (he's biologically male, so I reference as to a male) as a transgendered and since I made the push for the GSA, he's taken over control. He's a fast and dedicated worker with one flaw; he invites conflict.
He's never hid from me that he enjoys causing conflict and getting people riled up about the GSA so he's taken to wearing make up to school and wants to, within a month or so, start wearing skirts. Theres nothing in the school handbook about cross-dressing but Im still afriad that he's going to expelled or worse.
He's a radical and loud. Im a conservative and dont want to cause undue amounts of violence.
I gave him a note since we cant talk in class outlining my concerns and reasoning for them. It was not from a personal standpoint but as a leader of a organization in its infancy. He got upset and said I was being biased, discriminating, and giving into the fears of his decisions not conforming with society's view of clothing and the sexes.
I completely support him and his decision to cross-dress, I am not ashamed to be seen with him, and consider him a friend and tell people that, but this worries me. Do I have a right for concern?
He pushed hard and strong, but now I feel like we need to let it cool and gauge people's reactions. We still need to find a teacher sponsor anyways.
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Another note; harrassment. What defines it? I know Ive been verbally and emotionally abused in the past by family and schoolmates, but Ive always been scared to bring it up because it had nothing to do with any political issues or whatnot. It was always just harrass me..because I was me.
Now there's this guy in my algebra class who was making fun of me and being a jerk before any of the GSA plans had even been thought of, basically from the beginning of school, but lately..people dont lower their voices when they talk about me in class, they give openly disgusted looks (mainly preppy/sporty girls), and this guy in particular has been giving me a hard time.
I have a sticker on my bag that has the 'Marriage =..' then the two girl symbol thingys and he had come up to me, asked if I supported gay marriage. I said yes, he asked if I liked girls. I said yes again because why lie?
He then told me I wasnt allowed to have the sticker on my bag. I promptly replied, 'Theres nothing in the handbook about it and George W. Bush will not tell me what I can and cannot have in school supporting my political views.' His reply was that the dean would make me take it off and had already told Victor to.
I asked Victor of course who looked at me like I was insane and replied that the dean hadnt even noticed it. So the guy has outright lied to me and today in class, I had fallen asleep after getting my work done. So he walks up to me and yells, 'Wake up!' right in my ear and everyone starts laughing.
Ontop of that, the teacher was asking if I was ok and if anyone was harassing me because 'if I didnt feel safe in the classroom, the person could possibly be removed from the school..' I felt uncomfortable with this because if I was honest and said I hated coming to school because of people, then someone would get expelled and the school would turn on me.
So out of concern for personal safety and the GSA, I simply told her no and thanks for the concern then left. Later that day, I had to clean gum off my locker and the teachers upstairs pretended not to notice.
So..what am I suppose to do?
Note: I use the word 'so' alot. o.o
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