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Sindenky Sosei

PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:59 pm


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I think what your aiming for is more was to advance OTHER than typing. And thats fair. If you only have 1-2 days or even only a few hours a day to RP your going to want to RP not having to lvl your RPC.

Your system is almost the same as mine your just removing the lvl system, and i think its important to have included. You have some good ideas on alternative advancement methods, and i think you should work on fleshing them out.

I could actually really use some help with that myself.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:03 pm


I'm not sure we need the level system, honestly. I'll create a finished system and see what they think, but I'm not entirely sure what the need for levels would be when we already have the stats and ranks in place.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:28 pm


we need the levels to NOT have rank affect power or advancement at all. Were just disagreeing on that fact.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:35 pm


lol I understand where you are coming from Rex but at the same time we wanted to scale down the oveepowerdness of the characters people roleplay as. Everyone seems to forget that naruto had the 9 tailed beast which is the strongest thus making him a different case from the rest of the ninja in allowing him to use a jounin rank jutsu when he was a genin due to the vast chakra level he possessed.

I would prefer a system with caps for rank that way a genin wouldn't be able to fight on the same level as a Sannin. Its just unreasonable unless they have a demon in y opinion. If genin took just one entire day to post for training, they could advance their character to combat the hokage and they doesn't really sit well with me.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:04 pm


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lol I understand where you are coming from Rex but at the same time we wanted to scale down the oveepowerdness of the characters people roleplay as. Everyone seems to forget that naruto had the 9 tailed beast which is the strongest thus making him a different case from the rest of the ninja in allowing him to use a jounin rank jutsu when he was a genin due to the vast chakra level he possessed.

I would prefer a system with caps for rank that way a genin wouldn't be able to fight on the same level as a Sannin. Its just unreasonable unless they have a demon in y opinion. If genin took just one entire day to post for training, they could advance their character to combat the hokage and they doesn't really sit well with me.

its up to you but the rank is irrelevant. A genin wouldent stand up to sanin only because of the lvl differnce.
Lets say this sanin is lvl 50. Most genin may be level 1-25 give or take. The level gap and the difference in there power means there not fighting on par with one another. The only way that genin is going to fight on par is if his level is close enough to match, and why would he be lvl 50 and NEVER have gotten promoted?

My system does not put genin = sanin, unless for some reason there village promoted them awkwardly. The rank is not what matters, its the level.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:55 pm


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we need the levels to NOT have rank affect power or advancement at all. Were just disagreeing on that fact.
If that were true, then what is the point of pursuing rank-ups at all? If there is no reward for ranking up, then why do people host Chuunin exams if no one feels like they're going to be rewarded for it.

While your system may be fine and true in the Naruto world, we still need to give people a purpose to rank up. There still need to be higher-ups in the village, and if everyone can just become stupidly OP as a Genin...then most people really won't feel like participating in anything with the word 'promotion' as a reward, because it will literally give them nothing.

No...I highly disagree with the levels. They add too much fluff, and they make the system much more cumbersome than it needs to be. Giving out a reward for ranking up isn't a bad thing. Because in truth, a Chuunin should be stronger than a Genin, and a Jounin should be stronger than a Chuunin. It perfectly falls within the lines of Naruto logic, and why we would try so hard to make everyone equal is completely beyond me.

I understand that some people have oodles of time to post and get super OP in a super short amount of time. But we also have to consider the people that don't have as much free time. Your system throws anyone who doesn't have a solid 4-5 hours a day for posting to the sharks, because they will never be able to keep up with the people that sit here and post for hours on end.

So with that in mind, I recommend that you leave the idea of levels under the carpet.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:01 pm


kit the sorrowful
lol I understand where you are coming from Rex but at the same time we wanted to scale down the oveepowerdness of the characters people roleplay as. Everyone seems to forget that naruto had the 9 tailed beast which is the strongest thus making him a different case from the rest of the ninja in allowing him to use a jounin rank jutsu when he was a genin due to the vast chakra level he possessed.

I would prefer a system with caps for rank that way a genin wouldn't be able to fight on the same level as a Sannin. Its just unreasonable unless they have a demon in y opinion. If genin took just one entire day to post for training, they could advance their character to combat the hokage and they doesn't really sit well with me.
Which is why characters get the base bar values from leveling up. Think; a Genin gets 7 points as a base. By the time you're Hokage, you've gotten 42 points from just promotions alone. This means that the Genin would have to post 350 times in order to get the same number of points. Even at that time, their chakra would still be 250 less than the Kage's. Every jutsu they learn would take longer, and they couldn't learn nearly as much. Can't learn as many style's stages, etc.

No matter how it goes, there will be a difference between Genin and Kage, even Genin and Chuunin. No matter which way you write the system, they still cannot learn techniques past their rank restrictions, and they still cannot use as much chakra. Because of that, I find the idea of levels to be unnecessary.

Also, Naruto was a member of the Uzumaki clan, who are known for having large chakra supplies on their own. Even without the Kyuubi, Kakashi said somewhere that Naruto had a chakra supply many times larger than his own. Don't give the Bijuu too much credit. ;D
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:35 pm


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kit the sorrowful
lol I understand where you are coming from Rex but at the same time we wanted to scale down the oveepowerdness of the characters people roleplay as. Everyone seems to forget that naruto had the 9 tailed beast which is the strongest thus making him a different case from the rest of the ninja in allowing him to use a jounin rank jutsu when he was a genin due to the vast chakra level he possessed.

I would prefer a system with caps for rank that way a genin wouldn't be able to fight on the same level as a Sannin. Its just unreasonable unless they have a demon in y opinion. If genin took just one entire day to post for training, they could advance their character to combat the hokage and they doesn't really sit well with me.
Which is why characters get the base bar values from leveling up. Think; a Genin gets 7 points as a base. By the time you're Hokage, you've gotten 42 points from just promotions alone. This means that the Genin would have to post 350 times in order to get the same number of points. Even at that time, their chakra would still be 250 less than the Kage's. Every jutsu they learn would take longer, and they couldn't learn nearly as much. Can't learn as many style's stages, etc.

No matter how it goes, there will be a difference between Genin and Kage, even Genin and Chuunin. No matter which way you write the system, they still cannot learn techniques past their rank restrictions, and they still cannot use as much chakra. Because of that, I find the idea of levels to be unnecessary.

Also, Naruto was a member of the Uzumaki clan, who are known for having large chakra supplies on their own. Even without the Kyuubi, Kakashi said somewhere that Naruto had a chakra supply many times larger than his own. Don't give the Bijuu too much credit. ;D


Gah your missing my point bud. All it would take is for someone to waste one day of making post after post to get their stat increase. and since you don't have any caps as to what a genin could stop at giving him a limiter. Thus if I made a genin character and posted 500 posts in one day. I could become formidable against the hokage. If I can up my stats endlessly just form posting then I would do just that. All it would take is some time infront of the computer.

Uzumaki clan specialized in sealing techniques. And what Kakashi/Iruka about naruto was. "Due to the beast being present Naruto cannot fully control his own chakra level causing discharge in his own chakra resulting in poorly made jutsu's. Until he can control his own chakra flow, the 9 tailed beast's chakra will overpower his own causing an overflow."

So the entire first season until naruto got out of the chuunin exams was pretty much the 9 tailed beast. Theres no way even a genin with massive chakra reserves could use a summon jutsu to summon someone like gammabunta.

Although like I said awhile ago in a post is im not a fan of any kind of stat/chakra control system. But it will be needed. I dont understand how people just ignore the physicality law in roleplaying so they can win a fight.

Gah, ill just stop posting here and let you hash out what you want to do. And let wolf decide what system base he wants to go with. Id prefer a stat cap once you get to a certain point. But its whatever.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:39 pm


kit the sorrowful
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kit the sorrowful
lol I understand where you are coming from Rex but at the same time we wanted to scale down the oveepowerdness of the characters people roleplay as. Everyone seems to forget that naruto had the 9 tailed beast which is the strongest thus making him a different case from the rest of the ninja in allowing him to use a jounin rank jutsu when he was a genin due to the vast chakra level he possessed.

I would prefer a system with caps for rank that way a genin wouldn't be able to fight on the same level as a Sannin. Its just unreasonable unless they have a demon in y opinion. If genin took just one entire day to post for training, they could advance their character to combat the hokage and they doesn't really sit well with me.
Which is why characters get the base bar values from leveling up. Think; a Genin gets 7 points as a base. By the time you're Hokage, you've gotten 42 points from just promotions alone. This means that the Genin would have to post 350 times in order to get the same number of points. Even at that time, their chakra would still be 250 less than the Kage's. Every jutsu they learn would take longer, and they couldn't learn nearly as much. Can't learn as many style's stages, etc.

No matter how it goes, there will be a difference between Genin and Kage, even Genin and Chuunin. No matter which way you write the system, they still cannot learn techniques past their rank restrictions, and they still cannot use as much chakra. Because of that, I find the idea of levels to be unnecessary.

Also, Naruto was a member of the Uzumaki clan, who are known for having large chakra supplies on their own. Even without the Kyuubi, Kakashi said somewhere that Naruto had a chakra supply many times larger than his own. Don't give the Bijuu too much credit. ;D


Gah your missing my point bud. All it would take is for someone to waste one day of making post after post to get their stat increase. and since you don't have any caps as to what a genin could stop at giving him a limiter. Thus if I made a genin character and posted 500 posts in one day. I could become formidable against the hokage. If I can up my stats endlessly just form posting then I would do just that. All it would take is some time infront of the computer.

Uzumaki clan specialized in sealing techniques. And what Kakashi/Iruka about naruto was. "Due to the beast being present Naruto cannot fully control his own chakra level causing discharge in his own chakra resulting in poorly made jutsu's. Until he can control his own chakra flow, the 9 tailed beast's chakra will overpower his own causing an overflow."

So the entire first season until naruto got out of the chuunin exams was pretty much the 9 tailed beast. Theres no way even a genin with massive chakra reserves could use a summon jutsu to summon someone like gammabunta.

Although like I said awhile ago in a post is im not a fan of any kind of stat/chakra control system. But it will be needed. I dont understand how people just ignore the physicality law in roleplaying so they can win a fight.

Gah, ill just stop posting here and let you hash out what you want to do. And let wolf decide what system base he wants to go with. Id prefer a stat cap once you get to a certain point. But its whatever.
Lemme word it this way. If someone honestly wants to put forward the 350 full posts required to become as strong as a Hokage with this system, power to them. I have never done more than 24 posts for any one technique, and I daresay I'll never do that much again. So if someone honestly did that many posts for the sole purpose of reaching that power level, then I would have nothing to say to them other than, "Get a job". Lol
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:53 pm


but that's my entire point lol. When I first joined NUR I joined rock. There were only 5 ninja in total in the village. Once I got the gobi demon I defected and joined the cloud. After being a genin for 6 months I went rogue. And since there is no limiter on rank in the rogue area I typed myself to learn 57 jutsu in one day. It is very tedious but if you ive a role player a loophole they will milk it until it runs dry.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:00 pm


kit the sorrowful
but that's my entire point lol. When I first joined NUR I joined rock. There were only 5 ninja in total in the village. Once I got the gobi demon I defected and joined the cloud. After being a genin for 6 months I went rogue. And since there is no limiter on rank in the rogue area I typed myself to learn 57 jutsu in one day. It is very tedious but if you ive a role player a loophole they will milk it until it runs dry.
But it's not a loophole. That's the thing. Every post they make is going towards the purpose of training. 350 posts is an incredibly high amount of training...

If you wanted to make it something they couldn't just do in one post, you could simply say that you can only raise one bar each day. It encourages long-term roleplaying, but also allows them to raise stats at their own pace.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:32 am


I'm just going to jump in for a second. I think that yes it is important to grow at your own pace without caps, but I have to agree with Secks that to wide of a system prevents the point in rank ups in general. Maybe instead you could limit the types of jutsu learned? That way, while a Genin can be strong they can only use certain amounts of jutsu. For example, maybe a Genin can learn as many Genin ranked jutsu as he wants but is limited on chuunin and possibly only one Jonin ranked jutsu. But through ranking up,you increase the amount of jutsu you are able to learn. But training cannot increase this ( making this the only difference from intelligence.)

That way, characters can grow as much as they want stat wise; however, by only being able to use Genin and mostly chuunin ranked jutsu, characters have to rely more on planning and combination.

Skipping back to the beginning, I actually really liked the restriction on the number of jutsu used per post. But maybe, along with rank, as you rank up seals are simplified and more jutsu can be performed. This way, their could be a clear difference in jutsu strength, and maybe even tai/weapon style strength.

Going even further back ( sorry on the back wards approach) maybe intelligence can be used as a counter to genjutsu. My problem with genjutsu is that getting out of it is often very, don't know how to say it, problematic. Using intelligence as a counter could probably offer a legitimate excuse to how you escape it.

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Sindenky Sosei

PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:28 pm


Solarius flare
I'm just going to jump in for a second. I think that yes it is important to grow at your own pace without caps, but I have to agree with Secks that to wide of a system prevents the point in rank ups in general. Maybe instead you could limit the types of jutsu learned? That way, while a Genin can be strong they can only use certain amounts of jutsu. For example, maybe a Genin can learn as many Genin ranked jutsu as he wants but is limited on chuunin and possibly only one Jonin ranked jutsu. But through ranking up,you increase the amount of jutsu you are able to learn. But training cannot increase this ( making this the only difference from intelligence.)

That way, characters can grow as much as they want stat wise; however, by only being able to use Genin and mostly chuunin ranked jutsu, characters have to rely more on planning and combination.


Thats exactly how its intended to be. However I'm not going to hard code that into my system, thats up the the village themselves. The village is supposed to give RP reason fro wanting to rank up, NOT mechanical benefits. We could throw in some small incentive such as 1-3 free points to spend on stats, but nothing that make a substantial effect. Lets say me and you are training together. We are equally matched in our own fields because our lvl and stats are the same ok? Now i wander off and get bumped from Chunin to jounin. Have typed no more training, and dont no more work than you. Then does it make sense that i should not beat you in a fight? Not to me, and thats what i strive to prevent in this system.

Also in regards to learning Jutsu the INT stat is not the only or even the main way to learn jutsu. You get to learn more jutsu and get more chakra by simply leveling up. If you then chose to train your stats INT and Stamina you can further increase those numbers.

Solarius flare

Skipping back to the beginning, I actually really liked the restriction on the number of jutsu used per post. But maybe, along with rank, as you rank up seals are simplified and more jutsu can be performed. This way, their could be a clear difference in jutsu strength, and maybe even tai/weapon style strength.

Seals never get shorter. The only way to start doing more is to do them faster. Now every 5 levels all* of your stats will be increased by 1. Seal speed i think will be a 1=1 ration with say a +2 bonus. If your stat is 4, you can do 4+2=6 seals in a post. So over time you will be able to do more, or you can train stats to get you there faster.

Solarius flare

Going even further back ( sorry on the back wards approach) maybe intelligence can be used as a counter to genjutsu. My problem with genjutsu is that getting out of it is often very, don't know how to say it, problematic. Using intelligence as a counter could probably offer a legitimate excuse to how you escape it.

Thats what the willpower stat is for. I split it due to a few things:

    -A strong will =/= smart
    -If INT both gave you more jutsu AND let you break Genjutsu it would be to powerful of a stat and a no brainier to get.
    -I also think the willpower stat affecting tailed beasts is a GREAT idea, and dont want to tie that you INT as well.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:05 pm


I don't like the idea of one RPC being able to cast multiple jutsu in one post. Why cant we keep it this way? you know one jutsu for one RPC per post, Shadow clones can cast one jutsu as well if the shadow clone jutsu is used. The idea of being able to cast multi-jutsu could be a bit overpowering in my opinion. But im not opposed to it if I find a syste that could work for it.

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