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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:36 pm
Quenton slowly shifted to a walk again, staying close to Alex's side, and attentive. He bites his lip as though it woudl guard against words and ideas he would rather communicate some other way. Its endearing.
Being given the gift of plain words, it took Quenton a moment to pare his own expression- uncertainty had no purchase on him now. It was a simple reply, comical in its film-noir cheese, and he hoped would be taken as both a lightening for their worries and an honest question, "Your place or mine?"
He stopped again in front of a Sargent offering a more classic to their situation comment on a different vein, "Its unfortunate that Carnation, Lily, Lily, Rose isn't part of this show. I think its part of the Tate collection. The technique in the flowers reminds me of you, even if it is oils in that one- it was even praised by Sir Frederic Leighton.
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:06 pm
It was a habit of his, and perhaps a bad one, to bite his lip as he did. He knew he had the habit and yet couldn't, or didn't, break it. He also tended to yank at his hair when under some emotional strain and when nervous his fingers often ran through the short ash blond locks. All habits and tells that he knew he had; ways to easily read him. At least he knew them all though and could attempt, and normally fail, to not use them. It was a challenge he could not win, and doubted he ever would, he was simply not good at hiding certain things and these were some of them.
The response from Quenton was so simple, so easy, it had him letting out a sigh. He wasn't normally so...straight out when he spoke on this topic, and ones similar, but he was being so now. Normally he was blunt but used other words, as he had earlier, so this was a change for him and for Quenton to follow the change was a relief to him. "Yours? I'd rather..." And not just because he had a room/housemate but because Quenton's place, while smaller, had something to it...something he couldn't put a finger on. Maybe it was just due to how simple it was and it appealed right now?
"It does..?" He asked while casting his eyes, curious and questioning, up at the other. "How does it remind you of me? The painting is lovely, I've seen it in a book. I'm not surprised it gained praise, it should. It is a lovely piece."
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:33 pm
Quenton nodded in ascent to the choice, not perturbed in the least. His place was spotless of late, excepting for a strew of sheet music pages with his pencil scribbles of composition on them with his recorder close by on one of the two chairs near the window. The plants had brightened and freshened the place as hoped, and now had a sun lamp with a timer to keep them happy through the closely looming the winter. There was even a new, incredibly silky microfleece blanket that would serve very well that had been a Hallow's Eve gift from Stroud. "The history of the piece was that he wanted exactly and specifically the twilight of the end of day when the sun is gone but the light not dead, and would paint in the garden for the few minutes of dusk en plein air. When season killed the flowers, he had them replaced with silken artificials. The level of intent, focus and dedication to that vision he wanted to capture, and the skill to make on canvas what was false so vibrantly alive- he'd captured the moment perfectly in his mind and it lived there, even if not in the season of the paintings finish. The focus of his mind may have been the girls and lantern...but the foliage and light are what were really captured and expressed...and what really haunted me long after I saw the piece. "
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:36 pm
"You should teach the history of art, pieces and artists. I think...with your knowledge and y our love for art it would be wonderful. You'd make it a subject I'd enjoy more than I already do." Truth be told he liked the history of art, he really did, but it could be boring at times. Little stories like this he thought would make it better. Little stories behind things, he'd never known the flowers had died and thus silk ones used to replace the living ones. Hearing something like that was a little tidbit of information he thought was special - unique and made it more interesting.
"I wasn't aware of silk flowers being used. I've seen silk flowers and most you can easily tell aren't real.." Some were beyond obvious while others were better, harder to tell, but you could in the end still tell them apart. But he leaned gently into the others side. "So tell me, in plain words, how does the technique remind you of me?" He asked simply. Already though the story, the information it contained, was being stored away in his memory. He'd remember that information, and the rest in that story, for as long as possible. It was interesting and little things like that while not normally useful were bits of information none the less.
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:22 am
"I think what keeps me from seriously considering teaching is that nagging fear- 'Those who can do; those who can't teach. ' But maybe....it would be a steady paycheck, good and consistent time off to pursue my own art...constant exposure to the cutting edge and youth of the field." But Alex had asked a specific question, "Plain words....you do have tough demands. Technique wise, Sargent was known for sketching with his brush, and he learned and painted in the alla prima mode. It is a wet-on-wet technique with oils, though it you can see it in watercolor, that encourages and relies on chroma to establish light and form more than just following the map and glazing the tones of an under-painting. The loaded brush also creates some spontaneity, which guided rather than restricted by a skilled hand can make focuses of light that breath real life into pieces. I haven't seen enough of you actively in studio to know if it is a technique you already practice, but it felt like one that you would be able to use. One that would push you from rote and solid realism into something that not only allows but actively makes the sudden colour and life of settings. " " It's all based in arguments of perception and persistence of perception, the importance of realism over the 'Impression' or 'Expression' of a point in time. Hence those movements in painting that were happening near enough to be informative to Sargent. It is all the intensity of a dream, but the vision of a living man. The flowers in that piece, because of how he painted them, feel as luminescent, delicate and luscious as the lanterns. " "Additionally..." He looked down at Alex with a smile, "When he painted for himself, it was usually landscapes...and usually watercolour." Sleet Tempest Snape EDIT: corrected mistyped/misspelled
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:25 pm
"I don't think that holds true. I think the skill of the teach should determine if they can or cannot - if they are competent or not. You have knowledge to pass down and skill to show...people to perhaps influence and help them find what they like art wise. You have knowledge of various crafts and how to go about serving them. I think that would help and broaden things for people. It's more than painting, sketching, designing clothing." The basic, and almost only, things taught in high school art classrooms.
Now is where Alexandre got to sound like an idiot, at least in his mind. He painted - yes there was no doubt there. But those words and terms were not ones used in high school - ever. He had never learned to paint in some private manner and was still in the beginnings of his first college art semester. He painted well, maybe even better than well, but it was untrained and in whatever style he had managed to pick up. He had learned to sketch with a pencil, just for a general idea of where he wanted things, and then paint. He had a habit of editing the sketch a few times before he was pleased, and with paint you couldn't edit like you could with pencil, so that was one difference between himself and what Quenton was saying. The rest seemed to go over his head.
Wet on wet...wet paintbrush to a wet canvas? That was not something he did either...was he doing things wrong? Had he been? Surely not. His work wasn't bad but he gave the other a questioning, if not curious, look before tilting his head like a confused, or perhaps lost, child which perhaps he was at the moment. "Quenton...they teach none of what you said in high school...and outside of what little they teach there I have only done whatever felt best and right to me...whatever I thought right. You've lost me..perhaps I can show you and you show me? Private time spent in an art room sounds like something needed. I'm only just learning and right now I'm in sketching classes mostly and art history." He really did feel a bit...dim here when compared to the other but that was alright - he'd get to learn.
It didn't mean he didn't feel bad though, as his eyes lowered just a bit, lashes lowering as well. "I've always taken the water color paint and added a small amount of water if I want a dark color and more water the lighter I wanted it to go. But that was done in each colors little container that I'd put the paint into. I sketch in pencil the ideas I have and then paint." Finally though, as Quenton spoke on the others personal paintings being watercolor and landscapes he smiled. "I like the softness, almost translucent quality, you can get in water color. If you go light enough, add enough water to the paint, it can become very light and gentle."
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:09 am
"I'd be a fool to turn down private studio time with you. All I know is yours for the asking, " and the words weren't platitude. What he lacked in skill himself with watercolours or oils was immaterial to demonstrating techniques so that one who had the skill could see them and learn to make use of them. "But its more probable that it isn't that you don't know some of the stuff I go on about- you probably just never heard the vocabulary for it." "Wet-on-wet with oils is the technique Bob Ross taught on The Joy of Painting. It used to be on public television, though it hasn't been in years now. Some of the specifics might be different between Ross and Sargent," Quenton smiled, "But the ideas are much the same. " "I don't know that we'll see any amount of whole works completed so airily as you like at this show. But we can hold out hope. William Berryman might be more along the lines of what you'd like? He was a 19th-century English painter who did work while he lived in Jamaica. I only came across his name because of a show of his work that was at Yale ...maybe 2007? Not well known, but skilled and using gradated washes like you just mentioned. I think he drafted his sketches in pencil as well, so don't feel like the only mark of skill is drafting in brush. Its just a style quirk I'd thought to mention. Glazing and washing are both wonderful techniques. Have you had a chance to experiment with salts or frisket?" He stopped in front of another piece, this one a Edward Burne-Jones. "What do you think of this one?"
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:06 pm
"Mmm, I think it really is a matter of personal style and not knowing the vocabulary - as you said. They never went over such things in high school art and we're still on basics here." Though most people who took art, seriously at least, in college tended to be good artists already. Though since these were basic art classes, and general liberal arts required an art class, there was no telling who had skill and knew things or not - so the class was basic for their sake.
"I've seen his show a few times; though hearing about happy clouds and trees turned me off quickly." How that man could describe everything as happy, and other such terms, was a wonder to him. It had grated on his nerves rather quickly, plus how the happy little tree lived...right there! It really was a bit much for him to deal with. He could understand a need to fill in the emptiness with talking but those words?! Shoving his thoughts away, way back, he focused on the here and now rather than his dislike of that mans annoying use of words.
"It's alright if we don't. I simply like water colors because they can get that airy. I don't paint in such an airy manner all the time - can't. But it's one main reason for my favoring watercolors - though I have been working with oils since part way through my high school senior year. They are a whole different sort of odd thing for me to figure out." He was getting better with them, through working with them, but he still had a ways to go he was sure. Stopping in front of the next piece he glanced it over a few times before nodding his head. "I like it, the colors and the style. The figure doesn't look too round." Like he'd seen with figures in some pieces, males with too much of a gut and females far too soft and weighty for his taste - perhaps it was one reason he was so turned off of females nude in art? He had quickly glanced over the female figure, not wanting to focus much on it.
"You mentioned salt and frisket...I'm clueless about both. Perhaps a lesson to include when I show you how I paint and you work with me?" He offered with a smile to the other. He would love to learn from the other and see what else there was to art - what he hadn't learned in high school and hadn't learned here just yet but surely would. It wouldn't hurt to be a bit ahead of classes; it would likely help even. "Perhaps we can each work on something and you can show me various techniques...? I would love to see and learn from you - everything which I can." Eager - yes he was eager. The idea of learning more, more time spent together, and watching Quenton paint was alluring to sat the least and Alexandre was hoping the other could make such time for him.
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:08 pm
"Frisket is another word for liquid masking. Stuff you paint down where you don't want paint to go, then you paint over it, wait for drying, and you can rub it off. I used the windsor newton stuff during my techniques class, but it left a slight yellowish tint to the paper where it had been. I don't know if other brands do the same. "
"Salt, on the other hand, is a hard to control but easy-to-use texture technique- sprinkled on damp watercolor each crystal chases away pigment to create flower-like spots. I'll be happy to demonstrate." They were near a piece that used the technique, so he pointed out the snowflake like patterns in the sky that gave interest to the otherwise calm scene. "Like here. "
In fact, they'd nearly exhausted that show in their slow pacing around from piece to piece. It hardly felt like time had passed, but it was plain it had in the realization that there were some other patrons that were coming in after them and milling from piece to piece. I hope my going on to Alex hasn't bothered anyone.
"Well...which collection would you like to see next? "
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:47 pm
"I've never had a need for something like that - to cover an area I didn't want to paint. I've never left or had blank spots on a canvas." He was though he'd learn about and use the product though, there would be a lot he'd learn about and use, how could he not given that he would be learning various styles and working on all sorts of pieces.
"That's from salt...?" He asked staring at the piece with a curious stare. "I didn't know that. Is it the larger grains, like sea salt, or does the normal table salt work as well?" He figured it would be the larger grains of salt that were used but it never hurt to ask - right? He had to learn somehow and this was a good time to do just that. Not to mention he had a person with him who he felt was more than capable of answering his questions.
It wasn't till Quenton asked about another collection that he'd noticed how far they'd actually gone about the room, and that he noticed other people. He didn't step away from the other, put distance between them, or anything else. Rather he kept to the others side and held onto one of his hands. He had to slowly learn and accept some things...to grow up a bit. He just..needed to do it slowly.
"I think I'll let you lead the way - since I'm set to learning from you while we're here."
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Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:11 am
"If you're doing a lot of wet-technique painting, masking would help make tree-branches faster without causing bleed- since going over an area of watercolour paper that is already painted on with new, wet watercolour has a tendency to capillary out the first layer in a halo." "Regular table salt does work, it's just less dramatic than if you were using large sea salt. Flaked salt also acts a little differently. Depending on the quality of your paints, the pigment you're affecting will also differ the effect a little. Lastly, the amount of water present, or saturation of the paper will alter the reaction." I think that is everything involved with those two.... He used watercolour mostly for quick, somewhat crappy, studies if he wasn't just using vine charcoal and conte, so he hadn't used many of the fancier tricks outside of the techniques classes. When Alex didn't react badly to their being witnessed, Quenton let go of a breath he hadn't realized he'd been holding for a hot minute. "Well...how about the hall of sculpture then? Our two specializations each in turn. " "Most of the Destiny City collection are copies of originals help by other museums, but they're still nice to look at. I used to come here once in a blue moon to do anatomical and lighting studies. " In was a short, pleasant walk with both their feet clicking and echoing on the polished, granite floors. The doors to the Hall of Sculpture were glass and brass, and they led into a room large and open as a roman forum with faux colonnade that looped the perimeter. Between the columns and divided by them in 'visual space' were an assortment of classical statuary from Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Renaissance, Gothic and Modern styles. Sleet Tempest Snape maybe check out two statues and decide to go get noms/lunch for a close?
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:48 am
"Mmm, it sounds like it would. I normally have to wait for things to dry so I don't cause bleeding. It's rather trying and time consuming. But for good art I'm willing to wait as long as need be." A shrugging of his shoulders. Good work always took time, it had to, in order for an artist to work in an unstressed manner and do things to their standard. It was one reason he did dislike set dates of when things were due. Maybe if there was a professor who set down the expected projects and let them hand them in as they were completed he'd be happy? He was already falling behind some on his work. It was a nice idea actually and had some merit for sure.
"Well, if your going for less dramatic it would be good then. I don't think I'd want to go too dramatic on something honestly. I'd rather focus on the rest of the painting rather than what the salt lends to it, although it is very interesting and something I'll be keeping in mind - a nice trick which can help and enhance a piece. Flake salt...that I've never heard of. And yes, the amount of water will always affect it."
"Alright, that sounds fair. I saw paintings I would like and now you get to see sculptures which you like. You'll have to educate me more though in this area. I don't know a thing on sculpture. I never studied it, I've looked at it and admired the famous pieces, but I've never honestly done anything with it in any manner." As he finished speaking a thought hit him and he turned bright slate eyes up at the other. "When I went to Paris I saw some lovely pieces in the Louvre...I have photos of them. I can print yo copies if you'd like. I'm sure you'd like the pieces - Venus De milo amongst them. But also the winged Artemis I have pictures of." Would Quenton like photos of the pieces he'd seen? There had been rooms filled with sculptures and he'd taken photos of nearly all of them, and pictures of each room just to capture the layout of the rooms. He might have gone a little, or a lot, camera happy there. He also might have had security asking him if he had flash on when takig pictures of paintings, which he hadn't.
"Mmm..copies are still works of art as an artist still had to make them based on the original. The person still needed the skill to copy a masterpiece. So I don't mind that in the least. I have to respect forgers because they still have talent." Shrugging gently as he let the other lead the way. Pausing in the door way to stare into the room. Blinking he smiled brightly. "They certainly have a nice collection - copies or not."(Sure, we can do that. And I actually do have personally taken pics from the Louvre and the statues they have there. ^__^ I kinda went a little nuts...not as much as I wanted to though - battery died.)
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:13 pm
Quenton happily walked them around the statuary hall's initial subjects, considering Alex's opinion. "The do have skill, that copy by hand and that skill is admirable. " Actual forgers, who copied not for practice or preservation though, no matter their skill, would not earn his own respect. It was a practice abominable, to artist and culture, one no recognizable skill could unmarr to his eyes. It wasn't a point worth arguing though- it was a sticking point of his own hard line choices and lines in the moral sands that didn't apply to the statement of whether or not the skill itself was present. So he kept his peace on bringing up any of the rest of his opinions on web-deviated subjects. "I would love to have copies of your photos, " There was no doubting the eagerness to the tones. If it was sculpture, Quenton was glad for any study aid offered him. "That is kindly offered. Did you have a favorite?" The first sculpture he stopped at was a replica in wood of a saint. "I don't know that you'll have gotten to the Gothic or High Gothic styles in your first semester. When I took it...Stone Age, Mesopotamia, Egyptian, Hellenistic for three weeks, Roman 3 weeks, midterm...leaves 6 weeks. Final in the last, so five weeks, Byzantine and Islamic for two, then the start of the middle ages? Did I get it right?" "Gothic and High Gothic are the 1100 to 1300s, so they'll start off in your second semester Survey of Western Art. Its concurrent with the Battle of Hastings, the First through the Fourth Crusades and the Black Death there at the end. I find that knowing what was going on in history is actually really helpful towards understanding how the art styles were developing at the time. It helps give an idea of maybe what the people were experiencing and feeling as well. " "Take this Gothic Saint. A lot of works in the 1300s were strictly religious, but you'll see that the emotion is more heightened then other periods. Heightened and intense, but so introspective. 'Vulgo & ab effectu atram mortem vocatibant' - Commonly and from effects, they called it the black death. With the Plague ravaging the art of the time became a riot of opposites. Morbidity and uncertainty of survival or of reason for the catastrophe made people hedonist or exponentially pious and self-abasing. You can see it in this statue's eyes, the pain of losing all he knows, the defeat of his shoulders. But his pose is so human and alive. Gothic sculpture developed the sensuous 'S' to the figure that can be coquettish or a writhe of epiphany, pending the details of the expression of the face- which were getting more and more accurate. There was no longer a fear of showing people a little more realistically such as this double chin. His proportions are still idealized, but he's recognizable as a flawed human like the rest of us." Sleet Tempest Snape The line was too long when I was in Paris to do the Louvre ;___; /jealous
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:37 pm
To be able to copy the skill shown by another, a famous artist, was not an easy task he was sure. While selling those pieces, forgeries, was not something Alexandre approved of he did respect those who did the forgeries as they were still artists - they should learn to do their own work. It was his own personal opinion though, and he kept it that way for the most part. With art he knew he'd be learning the skills of masters, their techniques, and eventually perhaps replicating famous pieces of art - he just hoped he could do them justice. To be honest he wasn't even sure what he was going to do with all the pieces he'd be making while in school, where to put them all. He didn't have a place nor did he want to clutter up the house or part of a room; and it seemed he'd have a lot of pieces by the time he was graduated.
Laughing at the others eager voice he nodded his head. "Alright, I'll print them when I get home. Hmm...a favorite...I liked the one of the Goddess Artemis, with a stag. That was one of my favorites although the detail on the wings of Athena was also nice. I wish that one had a head though, I'm sure the detail there would have matched the wings and clothing." It really was a lovely piece, both of them really, and he had admired the detail in them.
"Yeah, you got it right if I remember the syllabus right." He couldn't remember the outline perfectly but that sounded about right.
Listening to the others explanation of the times back then, and why it was important, he found himself nodding. "I have to agree. It does show the way people felt, what was happening, high and low points. The two things go hand in hand even if some people may not see it. English does also I think." Reading books sometimes gave a view into what was going on in peoples minds, fears, political issues and other things that were popular or perhaps underground things that weren't very well known. The three areas of study really did go hand in hand in a certain way. "Perhaps I should also take a few history courses just to add to my knowledge and understand the times better?" Or would teachers in the art classes give a good idea on the times and going ons surrounding types or art and artists?
"Indeed. I can see everything your speaking of." He stated even as he was looking over the piece. Moving around it and tilting his head and such as he looked it over carefully. He could, as he's said, see everything the other was talking about. "It does make sense. With so many people dying and this being seen, in the streets and everywhere a person went, you'd expect them to show things more humanly. They wouldn't cover things up; considering what was on display everywhere a person went. And I can see why the black or white in art - the way they showed the dark or the light but not much in between. It makes sense with human nature and what they must have been feeling and thinking at the time. I heard once, on tv late at night, that there were people who went around from city to city flogging themselves so they suffered like Christ - some idea of saving themselves. They must have been lost and hopeless feeling...searching for any kind of cause or solution while feeling dread and fear at every turn. I can't imagine feeling as they did."
He might be fighting a war, killing people, and he ran the risk of being killed himself but never once did he feel like those people did. He wasn't even sure how he'd handle living as they had - could he have handled it? Could he handle it if something like that happened now? He doubted it. There was only so much a person could take. "I like how in this piece the figure looks more human rather than something removed from humanity - something above the average person."
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:24 pm
"The Survey art history courses are required for any major in the arts, but I would recommend you spend at least one of your electives on a more intensive 200 or 300 level specialized art history course if you can. The surveys will give you an overview, and the paper assignments tended in the 5 to 10 page range, self chosen analyzation of topics that match whatever period you're studying at the time. It should give you an okay idea of what specialization course would interest you. If not, strike up some conversations with the professors during office hours- I think there's one or two that watercolour professionally and have shown work in local galleries. " "You won't actually get too much history in the techniques courses themselves, " Quenton sighed, "Just name dropping, technique overviews, practice, application, and critiques. At least I haven't in 3D Studio Arts. Maybe painting and fine art is different." He walked them slowly about the hall of statuary and sculpture beyond the Gothic piece, offering what historical applicative knowledge he had as it seemed to have some interest to Alex in providing extended understanding of pieces. The commentary about the feeling as those did during the plague found a corner of his mind to dwell in without external comment. He wasn't certain what to make of it in comparison to the life he led now, or where it was headed, so he couldn't offer much on it. It was good, though, that Alex felt the lighter modern world and life removed from that grim space. It was good that Alex had that innocence. It was something he wished could be long within the other youth- with his paints and fashion and flowers. When they came to the end of the hall, after what turned out to be a long while of walking, talking and two exhibits, he couldn't deny that thirst was chief among his thoughts as well as sit down. He offered a light joke at his own expense, "How do you feel about the food court now? I don't know how the professors manage the three hour lectures without a water." Sleet Tempest Snape Nerp, don't have a second one in me. Care to close it?
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