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What, someone dying and their soul is stolen and sucked into a gem? How is that happy? XD It's dark. And necromancy is a dark thing. You're messing with the very fabric of life, bringing back the dead is against natures rules. So whoever you brought back would feel very out of place, like they don't belong, why are they here? Why bring them back? They're soul should always long for death. Because they died, and the soul went through a lot of pain as it left the body only to be forced back into a body that has also died. Lots of power to bring it back and now it's "living," but the soul remembers dying.

That and it'd be forbidden I would think. Ords would see their souls as belonging to Serene, taking a soul away from the Godess is a no-no. So Any Ord brought back would hate themselves/or feel very... disrupted, angry something dark and unhappy.

They are dead, and the dead should remain dead.

That's how I've always seen death/necromancy and what not.
There can be an Obliv only ritual if you guys want. But the way we have Oblivs; they have no soul, and when they die, the life force (as you call it) goes away and they cease to exist. At least that's how I've always read it.

Lets make a ritual, that can also be found int eh same scroll as info on this shard. This ritual is to bring Oblivs back to life or whatever.


edit: I am open to suggestions on the ritual or something. But the way Fluff has it phrased right now, soul means no obliv. Don't let my mean words fool you. Robo is open to suggestions. Putting that in so people know that I know that what I've said is kinda mean.

But this is exactly what I didn't want, because I don't see death as a necessarily painful thing, and I don't really think anyone who was brought back to life would crave death. For some reason, everyone else thinks this, and quite frankly, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I actually do believe in ghosts and spirits and all that. I believe my ancestors still walk the land we've owned for hundreds of years. And sometimes, I even think they wish they were alive so they could tell as what idiot fools we're being. XP

Soul is actual thing that a person's personality adn being is? Life force is power in all things, including rocks which don't have a soul either? It connects them to the world, but has nothing to do with creating a personality or what not?

I am fumbling around in the dark here.

How does something have a personality and is them if they don't have a soul? What makes a person a person? Take away a soul, how does that person remain a lie and a person? What links that person to their body? Keeps them alive?

I don't know.

But to me life force is just power that keeps on alive, like magical oxygen or something. Not really personalized or anything. Just flowing through or something.
Give me a suggestion.

*pats Umbra* Yes, this. ^w^

The more I think about this, the more it feels...off. Because I kind of do agree that it would be a stretch to bring Oblivs back - we would have to make up new rules and fight the lore somehow, come up with an odd ritual, and it would probably feel forced, in my opinion. To me, part of the beautiful tragedy of the Oblivionites is that they are absolutely bound to one life, no afterlife, nothing. It's sad, but it's part of who they are.

But because of this and because I completely agree that it wouldn't be fair at all for such an item to work for everyone but Oblivionites, it seems like maybe it shouldn't exist at all.

If it does exist, I think we should find a way for it to be open to everyone, hands down, but...because making it work for Oblivs would be strange and feel like cheating, I'm starting to feel a bit off about the idea. XD But I don't know. I'll let the discussion go on for a while - this is kind of just my thinking for the moment.

Edit: Oh, lots more posted, yikes this is moving so fast.

Honestly, I really hope no one is planning on dying, anyway! emotion_facepalm
But Brolis said he would post his opinions later tonight.

Of course I'll listen to whatever you've got, Umbra. ^w^