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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:02 am
That issue is getting so old...When it comes down to it, you can't control people into doing something YOU think is "better" for them. I don't understand ignorance, I really don't. We all have the right to choose who we wish to spend the rest of our lives with whether it's a man or a woman. Gender shouldn't matter. It's really a shameful conflict for the people who say those awful things. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...
It's a lack of respect for others in my opnion as well or maybe that just comes with the ignorance. Next thing I'll hear is that gays are actually not allowed in certain churches married or not. That would be truly devastating. I'm sure it's happened... cry
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:52 am
rmcdra Kittenshy-Plush This is going to sound very silly but...that thought never crossed my mind. Jesus being married? I mean...It's not that it sounds odd or anything but wow. sweatdrop
Anyway, that mind-blown moment aside, it doesn't really prove he had a wife. Maybe he was just talking about a women follower whom he could have been close to. Not to the extent of having relations or anything but just a women who would look to him for guidance like so many others at the time. 3nodding
That was a pretty nice article Robert. Where do you find these things? 4laugh Of course it doesn't prove he has a wife. Anyone that claims that it does is not taking the fragment for what it is and what it even says. All it demonstrates is that some Christians at some time in the 2nd to 4th century thought Jesus had a wife, or it could be a parable we don't have the context for. In some ways if it somehow turns out that Jesus did have a wife, I could see fundies using it as fodder to even more "prove that gay marriage is wrong." I could just here it now, "lookie here, jebus didn't have a boyfriend or husband, he had a wife, therefore, gay marriage is wrong." Facebook is where I found it. My Gnostic buddies and Christian Left friends shared some links about it. You could counter it with "Oh it looks like only women can be Christians now, because being Jesus' gay spouse is a sin..." XD
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:34 am
Interesting...but yes, I'm taking this with a grain of salt. He could have been talking about a close female friend who "acts" as his wife, or his followers. I've always heard the church referred to as "The Bride of Christ." Could be something like that.
However, there is a bit of proof of Magdalene being Jesus' wife. For example, she was allowed to bring myrrh in his tomb, along with his mother, the Virgin Mary, and his aunt, Mary of Cleopas. Only relatives were allowed in the tomb, so really the only way they could have been related was through marriage. Either that, or extremely distant cousins,but since it was hard to research your genealogy back then the first option seems more likely.
I'm not sure if I believe he was married or not, but either way, he's still Jesus and he's still the peace-loving preacher who healed the sick who we all know and love.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:23 am
Sunshine Peach-Heart Interesting...but yes, I'm taking this with a grain of salt. He could have been talking about a close female friend who "acts" as his wife, or his followers. I've always heard the church referred to as "The Bride of Christ." Could be something like that. However, there is a bit of proof of Magdalene being Jesus' wife. For example, she was allowed to bring myrrh in his tomb, along with his mother, the Virgin Mary, and his aunt, Mary of Cleopas. Only relatives were allowed in the tomb, so really the only way they could have been related was through marriage. Either that, or extremely distant cousins,but since it was hard to research your genealogy back then the first option seems more likely. I'm not sure if I believe he was married or not, but either way, he's still Jesus and he's still the peace-loving preacher who healed the sick who we all know and love.
Another way to look at it, is one of them lied. I mean if someone you looked up to died, and you wanted to go see their grave, would you lie just to see them one last time? Lying was a sin, but then again a ton of things are and it would take a sacrifice to repent... would that stop you? And if you are the guard at the tomb and someone crying said, "I am his blah, and I just want to see his grave" with no further knowledge on truth or false. Could you say no, or would it be... "fine, but don't touch"?
I wonder though, were they the first to go to the tomb?
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:50 pm
glitterboypilot Sunshine Peach-Heart Interesting...but yes, I'm taking this with a grain of salt. He could have been talking about a close female friend who "acts" as his wife, or his followers. I've always heard the church referred to as "The Bride of Christ." Could be something like that. However, there is a bit of proof of Magdalene being Jesus' wife. For example, she was allowed to bring myrrh in his tomb, along with his mother, the Virgin Mary, and his aunt, Mary of Cleopas. Only relatives were allowed in the tomb, so really the only way they could have been related was through marriage. Either that, or extremely distant cousins,but since it was hard to research your genealogy back then the first option seems more likely. I'm not sure if I believe he was married or not, but either way, he's still Jesus and he's still the peace-loving preacher who healed the sick who we all know and love. Another way to look at it, is one of them lied. I mean if someone you looked up to died, and you wanted to go see their grave, would you lie just to see them one last time? Lying was a sin, but then again a ton of things are and it would take a sacrifice to repent... would that stop you? And if you are the guard at the tomb and someone crying said, "I am his blah, and I just want to see his grave" with no further knowledge on truth or false. Could you say no, or would it be... "fine, but don't touch"? I wonder though, were they the first to go to the tomb? Yeah, that might be an option--She could have told them she was his wife or cousin of what have you. I don't think marriage documents or birth certificates or any other form of verification existed then, so I guess the guards would have just went along with it. Of course, I'm not sure how things would go if that really happened. People would see Magdalene as selfish for lying just to get in first and after his resurrection, Jesus may have talked to her about it saying it wasn't necessary to lie and tell her to keep his Commandments. Of course, maybe the authors left Mary Magdalene's fib out of the Scripture because they didn't want her to look bad or whatever, or maybe she was legitimately related to Jesus through marriage.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:56 pm
Well I personally don't think Jesus was married, I mean there is no point to him being married (not that I can see at least)
Well, and if he was then I'm not going to protest to it, God knows what he's doing so I am not one to question anything.
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:16 am
RyuShikyo Yagari Well I personally don't think Jesus was married, I mean there is no point to him being married (not that I can see at least) Well, and if he was then I'm not going to protest to it, God knows what he's doing so I am not one to question anything. for him to experience the entire package of life as a mortal, so god can get to know us better and why we act like we do, that seems like as good a reason as any
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:24 pm
Shanna66 RyuShikyo Yagari Well I personally don't think Jesus was married, I mean there is no point to him being married (not that I can see at least) Well, and if he was then I'm not going to protest to it, God knows what he's doing so I am not one to question anything. for him to experience the entire package of life as a mortal, so god can get to know us better and why we act like we do, that seems like as good a reason as any God, the ALL-KNOWING, needs to get to know us?
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:58 pm
Qyp Shanna66 RyuShikyo Yagari Well I personally don't think Jesus was married, I mean there is no point to him being married (not that I can see at least) Well, and if he was then I'm not going to protest to it, God knows what he's doing so I am not one to question anything. for him to experience the entire package of life as a mortal, so god can get to know us better and why we act like we do, that seems like as good a reason as any God, the ALL-KNOWING, needs to get to know us? i view god as a learning being, so yes
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:00 pm
Shanna66 Qyp Shanna66 RyuShikyo Yagari Well I personally don't think Jesus was married, I mean there is no point to him being married (not that I can see at least) Well, and if he was then I'm not going to protest to it, God knows what he's doing so I am not one to question anything. for him to experience the entire package of life as a mortal, so god can get to know us better and why we act like we do, that seems like as good a reason as any God, the ALL-KNOWING, needs to get to know us? i view god as a learning being, so yes So the all-knowing God needs to learn things he DOESN'T know? Sorry, but that is the definition of contradiction.
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:48 pm
Qyp Shanna66 Qyp Shanna66 RyuShikyo Yagari Well I personally don't think Jesus was married, I mean there is no point to him being married (not that I can see at least) Well, and if he was then I'm not going to protest to it, God knows what he's doing so I am not one to question anything. for him to experience the entire package of life as a mortal, so god can get to know us better and why we act like we do, that seems like as good a reason as any God, the ALL-KNOWING, needs to get to know us? i view god as a learning being, so yes So the all-knowing God needs to learn things he DOESN'T know? Sorry, but that is the definition of contradiction. Depends if all-knowing includes knowing future events.
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:02 pm
rmcdra Qyp Shanna66 Qyp Shanna66 RyuShikyo Yagari Well I personally don't think Jesus was married, I mean there is no point to him being married (not that I can see at least) Well, and if he was then I'm not going to protest to it, God knows what he's doing so I am not one to question anything. for him to experience the entire package of life as a mortal, so god can get to know us better and why we act like we do, that seems like as good a reason as any God, the ALL-KNOWING, needs to get to know us? i view god as a learning being, so yes So the all-knowing God needs to learn things he DOESN'T know? Sorry, but that is the definition of contradiction. Depends if all-knowing includes knowing future events. But if he has everything planned out... Well... did I mention here anywhere my theory of multiple plants and certain things in our lives determine which plan we follow? Yah know, the split in the road, left or right. We pick left, these things happen, right, those things happen. But most events lead back to a big major one the is inevitable. So he has various plans for everyone, but some things we HAVE to do... But because we can pick and choose where to go, free will is ours... to a degree...
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:35 am
Qyp rmcdra Qyp Shanna66 Qyp God, the ALL-KNOWING, needs to get to know us? i view god as a learning being, so yes So the all-knowing God needs to learn things he DOESN'T know? Sorry, but that is the definition of contradiction. Depends if all-knowing includes knowing future events. But if he has everything planned out... Well... did I mention here anywhere my theory of multiple plants and certain things in our lives determine which plan we follow? Yah know, the split in the road, left or right. We pick left, these things happen, right, those things happen. But most events lead back to a big major one the is inevitable. So he has various plans for everyone, but some things we HAVE to do... But because we can pick and choose where to go, free will is ours... to a degree... you can know whats going to happen and still have plenty to learn. and i dont believe god is all knowing. i believe he knows potential future events and tries to steer us in the right direction so certain events are able to happen so ling as we dont screw up too much
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:46 am
Shanna66 Qyp rmcdra Qyp Shanna66 Qyp God, the ALL-KNOWING, needs to get to know us? i view god as a learning being, so yes So the all-knowing God needs to learn things he DOESN'T know? Sorry, but that is the definition of contradiction. Depends if all-knowing includes knowing future events. But if he has everything planned out... Well... did I mention here anywhere my theory of multiple plants and certain things in our lives determine which plan we follow? Yah know, the split in the road, left or right. We pick left, these things happen, right, those things happen. But most events lead back to a big major one the is inevitable. So he has various plans for everyone, but some things we HAVE to do... But because we can pick and choose where to go, free will is ours... to a degree... you can know whats going to happen and still have plenty to learn. and i dont believe god is all knowing. i believe he knows potential future events and tries to steer us in the right direction so certain events are able to happen so ling as we dont screw up too much Rightio.
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