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 Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:36 pm
Zeroxp6 so far the one without comprehension is you gear cause you dont realize what transgender means its going from one sex to the other so he/she was a male and further more your just a feminist so shut up i know what im talking about I am transgender you ******** ignorant a*****e, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:53 pm
Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine She or he, I honestly don't care.Murder is murder.And this person deserves imprisonment, not a single person on this planet has the right to take the life of another. I wrote a very long rant just now .. and am even more angry sue to losing it... point is she is imprisoned, are you that? did you even read anything to do with this case? do you not know anything about or keep up with medical sciences, human rights, philosophy? do you know anything about what it's like to be imprisoned? even more so do you know what it's like to be imprisoned AND trans..? no Then they should have put her in a female prison.I can't help the stupidity of the judicial system, but she does deserve to be imprisoned for killing someone you vow to dedicate your life to and love.And to be honest, you don't need to get pissy with me.I was expressing my opinion on the matter.Yours is different from mine as anyone else's would be, you can make your point, which you already stated how you feel.So there's no need to get angry with me for expressing my views. Also, what does being trans-gender have to do with the case of my topic: the murder of her wife. Sounds to me like you have more of a deeply emotional reason for being so defensive. I don't see a point in continuing this.. you obviously lack comprehension. No, I can easily comprehend this situation. But you obviously lack any moral decency.You are defending a murderer. 1. How on earth am i defending murderer? i'm defending a human being that happened to murder someone and has and is being punished for it, i'm not arguing with her punishment at all, she has had her civil life taken away, removed from society. 2. She has been Granted by a judge to continue with her medical gender transition on the grounds that every living person is still a human being, human beings have personal rights, anyone who believes otherwise is an inhumane b*****d. 3. tax payers are not paying anymore than usual because of this., 4. once again she is still in prision, no one is changing that she is serving out her sentence. no one is arguing with that not even me. Is that clear enough for you yet? Listen, we need to come to an understanding about something: I posted here to express MY opinion on the matter.Yes, I used "He" to reference this person.Why? Because this person was originally a man.Now, neither one of us are wrong with the term used to refer to this person as a man or a woman. Like I said, they should have placed her into a women's prison to help the situation, but they did not.My intention was not to offend you, but to state my opinion on the matter.Taking offense to it was not something I could control, but it was not something that should have offended you. But, back on topic, with this person I don't believe the death sentence is needed here.A life sentence is more appropriate.That would be the best way to punish this person for their crimes.I don't see anything that can justify murder, so this person does not deserve to be anywhere other than prison. THAT was the point I was trying to make, also, like I said, I have nothing against anyone trans-gender.I even went out with a person who is trans-gender and held a close relationship with; I still am friends with that person in fact. Point being, I did not post in this topic to start an all out war with you, I posted to express my opinion.I do not lack an ability of comprehension, but you did not seem to take what I said in the means I was trying to get it across.Now I will apologize for that much. (Sorry, I mis-read a post and thought you were talking to me so I edited the post to make it right)
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:35 pm
Haisieo Korigashine Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine Then they should have put her in a female prison.I can't help the stupidity of the judicial system, but she does deserve to be imprisoned for killing someone you vow to dedicate your life to and love.And to be honest, you don't need to get pissy with me.I was expressing my opinion on the matter.Yours is different from mine as anyone else's would be, you can make your point, which you already stated how you feel.So there's no need to get angry with me for expressing my views. Also, what does being trans-gender have to do with the case of my topic: the murder of her wife. Sounds to me like you have more of a deeply emotional reason for being so defensive. I don't see a point in continuing this.. you obviously lack comprehension. No, I can easily comprehend this situation. But you obviously lack any moral decency.You are defending a murderer. 1. How on earth am i defending murderer? i'm defending a human being that happened to murder someone and has and is being punished for it, i'm not arguing with her punishment at all, she has had her civil life taken away, removed from society. 2. She has been Granted by a judge to continue with her medical gender transition on the grounds that every living person is still a human being, human beings have personal rights, anyone who believes otherwise is an inhumane b*****d. 3. tax payers are not paying anymore than usual because of this., 4. once again she is still in prision, no one is changing that she is serving out her sentence. no one is arguing with that not even me. Is that clear enough for you yet? Listen, we need to come to an understanding about something: I posted here to express MY opinion on the matter.Yes, I used "He" to reference this person.Why? Because this person was originally a man.Now, neither one of us are wrong with the term used to refer to this person as a man or a woman. Like I said, they should have placed her into a women's prison to help the situation, but they did not.My intention was not to offend you, but to state my opinion on the matter.Taking offense to it was not something I could control, but it was not something that should have offended you. But, back on topic, with this person I don't believe the death sentence is needed here.A life sentence is more appropriate.That would be the best way to punish this person for their crimes.I don't see anything that can justify murder, so this person does not deserve to be anywhere other than prison. THAT was the point I was trying to make, also, like I said, I have nothing against anyone trans-gender.I even went out with a person who is trans-gender and held a close relationship with; I still am friends with that person in fact. Point being, I did not post in this topic to start an all out war with you, I posted to express my opinion.I do not lack an ability of comprehension, but you did not seem to take what I said in the means I was trying to get it across.Now I will apologize for that much. (Sorry, I mis-read a post and thought you were talking to me so I edited the post to make it right) Sorry for going off on you like that, having a really stressful week dealing with my family, insurance companies, employers, ignorant people, lawyers and so on. That combined with an obsession with human rights and i can get rather hostile... The reason I get pissed at people for the pronoun thing is.. if you call a trans woman "He" even if only referring to the the person's pre transitioned legally given gender.. it's still highly offensive and wrong : / Also the way you repeatedly worded your opinion came off in way that made it seem you hadn't the slightest clue that she already is serving out a life sentence... sorry if i misinterpreted that -sigh-
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:20 am
Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine Then they should have put her in a female prison.I can't help the stupidity of the judicial system, but she does deserve to be imprisoned for killing someone you vow to dedicate your life to and love.And to be honest, you don't need to get pissy with me.I was expressing my opinion on the matter.Yours is different from mine as anyone else's would be, you can make your point, which you already stated how you feel.So there's no need to get angry with me for expressing my views. Also, what does being trans-gender have to do with the case of my topic: the murder of her wife. Sounds to me like you have more of a deeply emotional reason for being so defensive. I don't see a point in continuing this.. you obviously lack comprehension. No, I can easily comprehend this situation. But you obviously lack any moral decency.You are defending a murderer. 1. How on earth am i defending murderer? i'm defending a human being that happened to murder someone and has and is being punished for it, i'm not arguing with her punishment at all, she has had her civil life taken away, removed from society. 2. She has been Granted by a judge to continue with her medical gender transition on the grounds that every living person is still a human being, human beings have personal rights, anyone who believes otherwise is an inhumane b*****d. 3. tax payers are not paying anymore than usual because of this., 4. once again she is still in prision, no one is changing that she is serving out her sentence. no one is arguing with that not even me. Is that clear enough for you yet? Listen, we need to come to an understanding about something: I posted here to express MY opinion on the matter.Yes, I used "He" to reference this person.Why? Because this person was originally a man.Now, neither one of us are wrong with the term used to refer to this person as a man or a woman. Like I said, they should have placed her into a women's prison to help the situation, but they did not.My intention was not to offend you, but to state my opinion on the matter.Taking offense to it was not something I could control, but it was not something that should have offended you. But, back on topic, with this person I don't believe the death sentence is needed here.A life sentence is more appropriate.That would be the best way to punish this person for their crimes.I don't see anything that can justify murder, so this person does not deserve to be anywhere other than prison. THAT was the point I was trying to make, also, like I said, I have nothing against anyone trans-gender.I even went out with a person who is trans-gender and held a close relationship with; I still am friends with that person in fact. Point being, I did not post in this topic to start an all out war with you, I posted to express my opinion.I do not lack an ability of comprehension, but you did not seem to take what I said in the means I was trying to get it across.Now I will apologize for that much. (Sorry, I mis-read a post and thought you were talking to me so I edited the post to make it right) Sorry for going off on you like that, having a really stressful week dealing with my family, insurance companies, employers, ignorant people, lawyers and so on. That combined with an obsession with human rights and i can get rather hostile... The reason I get pissed at people for the pronoun thing is.. if you call a trans woman "He" even if only referring to the the person's pre transitioned legally given gender.. it's still highly offensive and wrong : / Also the way you repeatedly worded your opinion came off in way that made it seem you hadn't the slightest clue that she already is serving out a life sentence... sorry if i misinterpreted that -sigh-
It's perfectly fine, I can understand.I've had a very stressful week myself, including a breakdown on wednesday.
But I didn't mean to offend, I never really meet many people who are transgender.Go figure the only one I knew I ended up holding a relationship with.
But I hope things ease up on you with everything that's going on in your life.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:40 am
Gear Bush Haisieo Korigashine The guy killed his wife, I don't care about him being trans-gender, but ******** letting him not suffer for murder. SHE is suffering by being imprisoned. you havent killed a person have you? I could assume very safely that this was-be-male killed his wife then vowed to not be with a woman again, and is psychotic partially. Who knows what he is thinking. If he didnt kill his wife he would probably still be a dude for all we know, maybe he wants to replace her for all the ******** we know. But idk everyone is confusing and different, so I do see your point, but you dont know this person, in a different response you said you are transgender, yes, but you still dont know this person. They could be doing this for a different reason, idk I didnt read the link, if it was planned murder I would say hes a psycho, if not well he hates being a man because of men losing their tempers and wants to be a woman now to know how she felt or to not feel like the angry stereotypical man anymore, but I could be wrong, you could be wrong also.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:18 am
Ugh, so not right on so many levels! He shouldn't be ordered to have a gender change, he NEEDS to be in prison for the murder crime! Just because he's living as a woman, doesn't mean they should put him in a specific prison. Better to put him in the appropriate prison and serve the sentence behind bars for however long than a gender change, which is just not a legitimate sentence! They shouldn't force someone to get a gender change, that's messing up the way God made them in the first place, seriously! Just because I mention God in my posts, does not mean you people need to automatically get offensive! How stupid, that's not a sentence! You don't see other cases where judges give this same so-called "sentence" to other criminals around the U.S. or whatnot! Regardless of gender, murder is still murder! Just because I mention God in my posts, does not mean you people need to automatically get offensive, whiny, throw a hissy fit and or start to complain about it! *sigh* Pardon my rant. I need some stress relief. -_-*
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:35 pm
-sighs- some of you people are just so.. ugg..
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:44 pm
I agree with you. I was hoping the G word wouldn't be mentioned but I guess that was too much to wish for (especially since that has nothing to do with this).
Just going to keep it this simple, just because she's allowed to have a gender change doesn't mean she isn't going to continue her confinement. She is still paying for her crime.
A gender change isn't going to change the sentence. She's still going to be in jail. She's still going to "suffer". The only difference is that she'll be suffering in the body she needs. And she sure as hell isn't being "forced" to have the change. Who the hell said that?
Seriously, your tax dollars are used for far worse things. No one is going to miss that money, because if it weren't going toward that it's still paying for a drug dealers, child molesters, arsonists or rapists health care. Hell, there have been people on DEATH ROW who have gotten ORGAN TRANSPLANTS, because if not they would have died before their execution date. That's thousands of dollars and passed up people on the donation lists.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:33 pm
Yokies I agree with you. I was hoping the G word wouldn't be mentioned but I guess that was too much to wish for (especially since that has nothing to do with this).
Just going to keep it this simple, just because she's allowed to have a gender change doesn't mean she isn't going to continue her confinement. She is still paying for her crime.
A gender change isn't going to change the sentence. She's still going to be in jail. She's still going to "suffer". The only difference is that she'll be suffering in the body she needs. And she sure as hell isn't being "forced" to have the change. Who the hell said that?
Seriously, your tax dollars are used for far worse things. No one is going to miss that money, because if it weren't going toward that it's still paying for a drug dealers, child molesters, arsonists or rapists health care. Hell, there have been people on DEATH ROW who have gotten ORGAN TRANSPLANTS, because if not they would have died before their execution date. That's thousands of dollars and passed up people on the donation lists. THANK YOU -huggles-
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:37 pm
You're welcome. emotion_bigheart
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:37 pm
Princess Zelda21 Ugh, so not right on so many levels! He shouldn't be ordered to have a gender change, he NEEDS to be in prison for the murder crime! Just because he's living as a woman, doesn't mean they should put him in a specific prison. Better to put him in the appropriate prison and serve the sentence behind bars for however long than a gender change, which is just not a legitimate sentence! They shouldn't force someone to get a gender change, that's messing up the way God made them in the first place, seriously! Just because I mention God in my posts, does not mean you people need to automatically get offensive! How stupid, that's not a sentence! You don't see other cases where judges give this same so-called "sentence" to other criminals around the U.S. or whatnot! Regardless of gender, murder is still murder! Just because I mention God in my posts, does not mean you people need to automatically get offensive, whiny, throw a hissy fit and or start to complain about it! *sigh* Pardon my rant. I need some stress relief. -_-* Um... PZ, I think the prisoner was requesting the operation, not being forced into it... >.>; Forcing someone to get a gender change against their will would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:47 pm
JamesWN Princess Zelda21 Ugh, so not right on so many levels! He shouldn't be ordered to have a gender change, he NEEDS to be in prison for the murder crime! Just because he's living as a woman, doesn't mean they should put him in a specific prison. Better to put him in the appropriate prison and serve the sentence behind bars for however long than a gender change, which is just not a legitimate sentence! They shouldn't force someone to get a gender change, that's messing up the way God made them in the first place, seriously! Just because I mention God in my posts, does not mean you people need to automatically get offensive! How stupid, that's not a sentence! You don't see other cases where judges give this same so-called "sentence" to other criminals around the U.S. or whatnot! Regardless of gender, murder is still murder! Just because I mention God in my posts, does not mean you people need to automatically get offensive, whiny, throw a hissy fit and or start to complain about it! *sigh* Pardon my rant. I need some stress relief. -_-* Um... PZ, I think the prisoner was requesting the operation, not being forced into it... >.>; Forcing someone to get a gender change against their will would fall under cruel and unusual punishment.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:35 pm
Princess Zelda21 JamesWN Princess Zelda21 Ugh, so not right on so many levels! He shouldn't be ordered to have a gender change, he NEEDS to be in prison for the murder crime! Just because he's living as a woman, doesn't mean they should put him in a specific prison. Better to put him in the appropriate prison and serve the sentence behind bars for however long than a gender change, which is just not a legitimate sentence! They shouldn't force someone to get a gender change, that's messing up the way God made them in the first place, seriously! Just because I mention God in my posts, does not mean you people need to automatically get offensive! How stupid, that's not a sentence! You don't see other cases where judges give this same so-called "sentence" to other criminals around the U.S. or whatnot! Regardless of gender, murder is still murder! Just because I mention God in my posts, does not mean you people need to automatically get offensive, whiny, throw a hissy fit and or start to complain about it! *sigh* Pardon my rant. I need some stress relief. -_-* Um... PZ, I think the prisoner was requesting the operation, not being forced into it... >.>; Forcing someone to get a gender change against their will would fall under cruel and unusual punishment. *taps frying pan against hand* Not the mama! 8(
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