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 Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:47 pm
Dion
I'm not going to de-push Gayze, but I'm not going to allow him in my guild with an attitude like that.
Yes he's entitled to his opinion, but there is a line you do not cross and he's crossed it twice with me. He's now joined the ranks of Hiro, and KM
I do not respect his opinions towards minorities, nor homosexuals however he "is" entitled to them, my banning of him is justified and I'm leaving it at that.
Others can do what they want with him.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:27 pm
Dion Necurat See, this is the kind of stuff that makes me think we're still in the bullshit era. ...No, I'm not talking about what Draze said. You're all seriously considering depushing him over an opinion. Really? Come on, guys; we all have opinions on things, and yes, they may be unpopular opinions, but we shouldn't ostracize someone just because they hold that opinion. YES, I don't agree with what he's saying, but I'm not going to kick him out of my guild or not push him just because he is homophobic. There are better reasons to not push someone from strictly an RP standpoint. People need to take a reality check for just a moment; this is an RP community. The point of RPing is to have fun, not to throw chicken s**t bitchfests at one another hoping to draw battle lines in the sand and say how so and so is this or so and so is that. I'm guilty of it, certainly, but I don't go making threads about someone's opinion and then say "so yeah, don't push this guy ever cuz he hates teh gayz." Why? Because its none of my damn business what his opinion on today's top issues are; all I care about is whether or not he's going to RP well. Nuke, take your own ******** advice. You're blowing up about something that doesn't even concern you. Its the internet, for ******** sake. Stop being butthurt and man the ******** up. Your words. Sure, I might get chewed out, talked down to, maybe kicked out of the social chat; hell, it might cost me the chance to succeed anywhere here. If that's the case, then so be it; I've had to hop through hoops to RP before, I can easily do it again. However, I'm not going to sit idly by and let someone else become a victim, EVEN if some of you think he deserves it. In short, you're all over-reacting, grow the ******** up, and get over yourselves. Its an RP, for ******** sake.
Honestly, think about it. Most of Christianity hates the gay community, but we're okay with them; the reason we hate Westboro Baptist Church is because they picket funerals and s**t. Same opinion, different approach. This is the same thing. What Draze said about hating gays, fine, whatever, but to aim a personal attack of that magnitude at another member of our community is a disgrace, and he should be held accountable for it. If it was a workplace, he'd be fired, regardless of how well he was doing the job.
Yes, this is an RP, but we're also friends who come here to chill out, and nobody wants to hang out with a c**t.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:57 pm
wow really draze... just... not cool dude.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:44 am
I'm disappointed in Draze after this, however Draze may have some personal reasons as to why he reacted the way he did. Perhaps in the past he suffered some sort of sexual abuse which has made him uncomfortable with this jokes or false accusations. Whatever the case maybe, some one is clearly responsible for making him snap the way he did, not sure if this happened on Gaia or Skype. Whoever was trying to be funny or snapping at him for perhaps a bad joke is just as immature as Draze's outburst
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:47 am
I love how you guys are just going at me while I'm not around......
But listen the ******** up, There are major reasons as to why I've become a homophobe over the years, and obviously a reason as to why I bashed Chrono the way I did.
the reason I've never tolerated being called gay was because when I was in high school, I was ALWAYS called f** because I wanted to be a pre school teacher. Kids kept breaking into my locker, filling it up with bottles of lotion, and a**l lube. and even going as far as spray painting "*****" on my locker door, and they never got in trouble. they always got away with it. no matter what I did to prevent the bullying, it just never worked, so that's why I never tolerate gay jokes on me.I try to with you guys, but Nuke and Chrono took it too far when I pleaded with them to stop but they refused due to their inflated egos. I've become homophobic to try and stop the torment I took for so long and fit in a little better.
I'm the type of guy who snaps when the bashings don't stop. I only put up with that type of s**t for only so long. So obviously, when it doesn't stop, It's easy to predict that I will snap and say or do something that is gonna hit close to home so maybe you will then figure out that you should have just ******** quit when you were asked. Like when my brother keeps bashing me with jokes about my aspergers? I call him the one word his racist a** hates the most, so he'll figure out: "hey I should've quit while I was ahead!"
As much as I am too be despised right now, Chrono and Nuke are at fault as well even though they won't admit it. I just wanted the bashings on me to stop, and tried to get them to do so, but they chose to keep going, so as much as I know it's gonna make things worse, Chrono's egotistical being had it coming!
I also got raped by my uncle with a monkey wrench when I was 4.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:18 am
You were made fun of in school, and you take it out on the people who had nothing to do with it. You still think someone else is at fault for that, then you'll never be a man worth respecting. People can have whatever opinion they want, its what they do that count. You made a concsious decision to attack an innocent people, and mock the death of an innocent baby who never even met you. You're a child, less than that, because even a child knows what you said is never okay to say, regardless of the situation. You're no better than the bullies who mocked you.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:35 am
I was gassy in 6th grade, the year I changed schools and lost all my friends. They called me 'Fart Boy' for a year, just because they could. I asked them why they hated me, they answered, 'You were born'. I was 12.
In 7th grade I signed up for a karaoke performance because I loved to sing, and got tricked into singing 'Hit Me Baby One More Time' by Brittney Spears in front of the entire school. For the next three years, all I heard were Spears jokes, people in the halls singing the lyrics back to me.
In 12th grade, I had cancer, and while playing hackee sac, some kid had the balls to take off my hat and show off my bald head to the world. It was the most angry id ever been.
I didn't start hating all gassy movements
I didn't wish death on Brittney Spears
I didn't even punch that kid in the face, even when he told me to
Its about control. Maturity. The choices you make that define you. You made very, very poor choices.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:44 am
You know, I was just going to leave it at that simply calling you by a new name and hoping it stuck but after reading your response well.. You seem to be misinformed about a few things..
You do not under any circumstances bring someone's child into your petty nonsensical bullshit no matter how picked on you were. Whether they're alive or dead. Then on top of that your reasoning is that they 'deserved it' no one deserves to be the one to bury their child. You have NO idea what it's like to never be able to hold your child, the heartache when someone tells you they didn't make it. I wouldn't wish that upon ANYONE, but you who are so quick to simply laugh at it, rub it in someone's face that it happened and tell them that they deserve it.. It just goes to show the type of person you truly are.
You crossed a line you shouldn't have crossed, and you did it not once but twice with me. The first time you were forgiven, the second time, there isn't a corner of hell good enough for the likes of you.
You disparaged entire races of people because your racist b***h a** cannot handle a few jokes, jokes that are more than likely true mind you and then you go and pull that s**t involving my daughter. And you know the funny thing
It wouldn't have mattered if you were gay, bi, black, white, have autisim, have aspergers, or whatever. We would've accepted you, Jarel openly admits he's bi and proud of it. Do we make fun of him because of that, no we do not. Nor do we make fun of people because their black, white or whatever.
Sure the 'N' word gets thrown around a few times, but never to insult someone. We accepted dumb ignorant ******** like Kal, KM and Hiro until they did something to ruin that acceptance. We accepted Tim for all the times his name get thrown around and people b***h about him, same with X-factor, same with anyone else.
We all accepted them so knowing all of that, do you really think any of us truly care that you're a blatant homosexual.
Because to quote Kronik:
no one cares
This community is one big dysfunctional family, we fight and bicker and stick up for one another. You mess with one of us, you mess with us all. I cannot speak for the others but I'm pretty sure they're with me on this. I don't want you to be apart of our family anymore, and while I know you do not give a damn, it is kind of a big deal when a whole community shuns you.
But you should also know that ...
We do not care what you do in you personal life, we do not care who you sleep with, if you make love to your dog, your dad, your brother, your uncle, some little child. That's good for you, whatever floats your boat. Though do not tell us if you slept with a dog or a child.. Seriously just don't. Same goes with your dad, brother and uncle..
We already know you do anyways, you've pretty much made that obvious.
As far as you begging and pleading for us to stop like you claimed, you didn't. You took it like a b***h and let it happen, of course.. Considering every thing that's been said, things that you've admitted.
I don't find it surprising you took it like a b***h, you certainly act like one and I don't see that stopping anytime soon.
I'd tell you to go ******** yourself
But that'd be pretty gay of you to do considering everything.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:41 am
I'm a Nick Cannon fan. Whenever I got called gay, I'd begin to act really, really gay... Er.. Homosexual.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:24 am
Draze, I'm wondering something- and I'm being serious:
The fact that you slam your uncle for being gay... does it have entirely nothing to do with the pricks at school and maybe something that happened with him? Right now, with the way you offended Chrono, he'd probably laugh at you but you can tell us. No judgment here.
If you can't handle gay jokes, then Cartwright or Freakshow & Brantley jokes should be left to everyone else. xd
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:31 am
Insane Irish Pride I love how you guys are just going at me while I'm not around...... But listen the ******** up, There are major reasons as to why I've become a homophobe over the years, and obviously a reason as to why I bashed Chrono the way I did. the reason I've never tolerated being called gay was because when I was in high school, I was ALWAYS called f** because I wanted to be a pre school teacher. Kids kept breaking into my locker, filling it up with bottles of lotion, and a**l lube. and even going as far as spray painting "*****" on my locker door, and they never got in trouble. they always got away with it. no matter what I did to prevent the bullying, it just never worked, so that's why I never tolerate gay jokes on me.I try to with you guys, but Nuke and Chrono took it too far when I pleaded with them to stop but they refused due to their inflated egos. I've become homophobic to try and stop the torment I took for so long and fit in a little better. I'm the type of guy who snaps when the bashings don't stop. I only put up with that type of s**t for only so long. So obviously, when it doesn't stop, It's easy to predict that I will snap and say or do something that is gonna hit close to home so maybe you will then figure out that you should have just ******** quit when you were asked. Like when my brother keeps bashing me with jokes about my aspergers? I call him the one word his racist a** hates the most, so he'll figure out: "hey I should've quit while I was ahead!" As much as I am too be despised right now, Chrono and Nuke are at fault as well even though they won't admit it. I just wanted the bashings on me to stop, and tried to get them to do so, but they chose to keep going, so as much as I know it's gonna make things worse, Chrono's egotistical being had it coming! as much as I can sympathize with your flipping out about being picked on you should not have brought Chrono's child into it. IDK much about Chrono and I may not get along with him but making fun of someones child, no matter the circumstances is completely uncalled for. Making fun of gays because you were called gay just makes you as bad as your attackers. Making fun of deceased children though... I don't even have words for that... If you got hit by a car tomorrow I would say you had it coming... I have no sympathy for people like you. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:32 am
Beta Flyer I'm a Nick Cannon fan. Whenever I got called gay, I'd begin to act really, really gay... Er.. Homosexual. honey its called fabulous now XD
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:17 pm
Draze, as I've told you before, there are some lines you just don't cross, regardless of what was said. You crossed that line by leaps and bounds, though. You have a right to express your opinion just as I have a right to express mine but sometimes there are things that are better left unsaid. You don't bring someone's child into a petty spat; it's just uncalled for. You don't seriously make fun of someone's sexual orientation, gender, race, religion, origin, or anything that makes them who they are because that's just rude. In example, it'd be like me making fun of you being an Aspy and I'm pretty sure some people in this community would make sure I understood the error of my ways as is being done to you now. Responding to someone who is bullying you does not make them feel as bad as you do; it just gives them power and more incentive to bully you further. If someone has taken it too far, you tell them they've done so and you leave it at that. "Shut the ******** up" and "knock the ******** off" is not an acceptable way to tell someone to stop; "Okay, that's enough so stop, please" will go over a lot better. Restraint is key.
As Landry said, it's about control and maturity. The choices you make define you. In my leadership training, it's referred to as building your brand. What you chose to do yesterday and what you've chosen to do in previous arguments has resulted in you branding yourself negatively. Because of that negative image and how public your indiscretions are, you've hindered your progress as a RPer and people wont want to work with you. You can fix your image but it's going to take a lot of hard work that you could have spared yourself if you showed restraint and remained quiet. Putting the blame on others will not make it any easier, even if they did do something wrong. Owning up to what you did and finding out what you can do to make it better should always be your response when you've found yourself in a situation like this.
I know how difficult it is to interact, online or off, when you're on the Spectrum. My little sister is autistic; believe me, I have been reminded of that many times since she's started middle school. You have to remember that sometimes we're being facetious and it's okay to ask if we're joking if it helps you interpret what's going on better. I do believe Nuke and Chrono were just joking but if you were uncomfortable, you should have let us know then let it go. Reacting like you did is unacceptable, regardless of what is happening or has happened to you.
As for everybody else, the way to solve this issue is just to stop discussing it, take a couple chill pills, and refrain from interacting with him for awhile so everybody can calm down. I think that he shouldn't be depushed but put on some sort of probation until things have blown over. However, I know some guilds have already made decisions to release him since this was such a personal attack and I can respect that.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:49 pm
i suppose i can speak on this now, and i will do it less belligerently than i did on facebook.
First, you get called a f** in school, and you therefore become a homophobe? I see no logic in this. Gay people don't use the word f**, and if they do, they use it towards actual gay people, normally the over the top kind. So because some hetero douchebags called you gay, you bash gay people. Yeah, uh, sorry to tell you but that is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard
you say your uncle is gay and you essentially give this man hell. Hmm, so you're his flesh and blood and you give him s**t for being gay. instead of relating to him in that you've been taunted the same way. I feel sorry for you uncle, honestly, because he must have more than enough to deal with without his own family turning on him. Good job continuing on the path to ultimate douchebag (and i mean that in the meanest way possible, not the joking way that i always called landry a douchebag in chat)
here's the part that actually bothers me more, despite my being bi, and that's the fact that you brought in an innocent child that unfortunately did not make it into the world. You say you want family. That was an exceptionally low blow to take on a man that has lost his. There is no pain, and I do mean no pain, like burying your own child. Knowing that this part of you could not make it into this world. You do not bring such a thing into a disagreement. That is a pain that lives with a man every day of his life, believe me. It's downright cowardly to use that against someone.
Some may be against depushing you. Here's the problem. No one wants to work with you. Before, people could tolerate you because you might occasionally go too far with things, but if pointed out you would stop. You personally attacked a group of people that have clearly done nothing to you, and then you personally attacked chrono for what was clearly a joke that you could have easily asked him not to make and so long as you asked properly he'd have stopped. This situation pretty much reveals you as the type of person none of us would really want to hang around IRL and so we definitely do not want to deal with you here. There is already enough s**t going on in our community without dealing with someone that will lash out at people that have not done anything to him in such a way. When we come here, we don't expect to get legitimate hate thrown at us like that. And because you bothered to do so, you get to deal with the consequences. You've been removed from two guilds at least, and you'll probably have hard time finding folks that will deal with you now. I suggest next time, if there ever is a next time, you learn what to say and what not to and how to direct your anger on those that deserve it and not those that have not wronged you
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:27 pm
Below is the full transcript of what happened - the time may be different from what others see, because of the time zone difference.
From my side-comments you can see that I was 100% joking; I don't know Draze irl, I don't know what his sexuality is, and I could care less.
I'm all for people being openly gay/lesbian/bi/whatever if any of you really want to know, and from my own promos as Nuke I have previously come out to 'Gay Bar' by Electric Six, as well as openly bashed people for being "inbred" - of course, I have no idea if they really are irl. Perhaps Draze is, and that's why he reacted the way he did.
I want to show you guys something. Less than 5 minutes before Draze said the unthinkable, he put this to a joke of mine:[05/08/2012 22:08:17] Draze: hahahaha
[05/08/2012 22:08:21] Draze: that was funny
[05/08/2012 22:08:49] Draze: a little too much on the gay side though, which is the only part of it i didn't like Not only was that homophobic, but also showed that he knew we were joking, even after I called him inbred and gay.
Let's take a look at something else, right before he snapped.[05/08/2012 22:14:04] Chrono: I see Draze as more of the catcher..
[05/08/2012 22:14:08] Draze: both of you... Shut the ******** up. I am not gay, to be honest, I HATE those little freaks. my one uncle is gay, and I have bashed him like no other for years
[05/08/2012 22:14:15] Draze: SO SHUT THE ******** UP
[05/08/2012 22:14:22] Chrono: Definately the catcher Draze then reacted and pulled Chrono's daughter in to this after these comments. Chrono hardly said anything that he wouldn't say to any one else.
In the UK we call this 'banter' between friends, and apparently there you call it 'ribbing'. But I for one am not going to stand by as clearly we have someone who is so damned homophobic that he rips on any one for even insinuating that he may be slightly homosexual.
It's funny because up until then I had planned on a storyline with him - even though I don't have much time on my hands - and talked to him often enough, but when s**t like this happens it's unforgivable.
If he said it to me then I would simply block all communications and ban him everywhere possible so I didn't go ape s**t on him, but the fact that he said it to some one else in the group means that I felt I had to jump on it.
Every one is equal in this group. Some are more equal than others. Accept every one for their awesomeness as well as their flaws or you can get the ******** out.
Rant over.[05/08/2012 21:51:09] NuFu: Here we go
[05/08/2012 21:51:15] NuFu: 100 metres
[05/08/2012 21:55:28] NuFu: Bolt wins with a new Olympic record
[05/08/2012 21:55:30] NuFu: 9.64
[05/08/2012 21:55:44] Draze: whoopedy ******** do
[05/08/2012 21:56:15] NuFu: Says the guy who has probably never run in his life.
[05/08/2012 21:56:28] Draze: I did run
[05/08/2012 21:56:36] NuFu: Then realise you were still at walking pace?
[05/08/2012 21:56:44] Draze: for my high school track team
[05/08/2012 21:56:58] NuFu: Wheelchairs went faster?
[05/08/2012 21:57:00] Draze: I was the best for long jump, and the anchor for my relay team
[05/08/2012 21:57:44] NuFu: Was the high school a specialised disabled school?
[05/08/2012 21:57:46] Draze: of coarse I was faster back then, because I would train all day everyday
[05/08/2012 21:57:50] Draze: no
[05/08/2012 21:57:57] NuFu: Sure?
[05/08/2012 21:58:02] NuFu: I can ask you slower if you want
[05/08/2012 21:58:08] Draze: yes, ya wacky brit
[05/08/2012 21:58:20] Draze: go back to your foul a** kidney pie
[05/08/2012 21:58:47] NuFu: Go back to your inbreeding
[05/08/2012 21:59:06] Draze: you first b***h
[05/08/2012 21:59:08] Draze: XD
[05/08/2012 21:59:29] Chrono: Nuke, haven't you learned anything?
[05/08/2012 21:59:36] NuFu: What a comeback.
[05/08/2012 21:59:37] NuFu: Wow.
[05/08/2012 21:59:40] NuFu: I'm stunned.
[05/08/2012 21:59:48] Draze: I gotta say I never thought you'd be this pissed for me hating on the Olympics
[05/08/2012 22:00:20] NuFu: I'm not.
[05/08/2012 22:00:24] Chrono: To reproduce with your kin (inbred), you have be straight.|
Draze however isn't straight. You should know that Nuke
[05/08/2012 22:00:26] NuFu: I'm just feeling a promo.
[05/08/2012 22:00:36] NuFu: True, Chron.
[05/08/2012 22:01:08] NuFu: However, from being the spawn of an inbred cesspool himself, he is lacking the intelligence to realise that you need a male and a female to reproduce.
[05/08/2012 22:01:36] Chrono: that and it has to be the same species as well..
[05/08/2012 22:02:02] Chrono: he gives a whole new meaning to 'Man's best friend'
[05/08/2012 22:03:25] NuFu: It's funny, because the only way he could get a girl wet is by drowning her.
[05/08/2012 22:03:30] NuFu: I'm sure he tried that once.
[05/08/2012 22:03:47] Chrono: No I'm pretty sure she'd kill him before he tried
[05/08/2012 22:04:22] NuFu: She was probably a paraplegic.
[05/08/2012 22:04:33] Chrono: even if he were to somehow hit them with a waterballoon or spray them with a garden hose they somehow wouldn't be wet
[05/08/2012 22:05:51] NuFu: About as dry as his father's c**k as he stick it in Draze's a*****e.
[05/08/2012 22:06:02] NuFu: "Bend over, boy. Daddy need some lovin'."
[05/08/2012 22:06:05] NuFu: xD
[05/08/2012 22:06:06] Draze: okay that's enough
[05/08/2012 22:06:11] NuFu: NuFu smirks.
[05/08/2012 22:06:15] Chrono: sandpaper-y
[05/08/2012 22:06:15] Draze: KNOCK THE ******** OFF
[05/08/2012 22:06:18] NuFu: NuFu is in-character far too much.
[05/08/2012 22:06:31] Draze: I don't care
[05/08/2012 22:06:36] NuFu: NuFu trollface.
[05/08/2012 22:07:07] Draze: Draze punches NuFu in the adams apple with brass kuncks
[05/08/2012 22:07:11] Draze: knucks*
[05/08/2012 22:07:15] NuFu: NuFu no-sells.
[05/08/2012 22:07:25] Draze: I knew yu would no sell it
[05/08/2012 22:07:29] NuFu: NuFu smirks.
[05/08/2012 22:07:30] Draze: ya p***k
[05/08/2012 22:08:03] NuFu: I am a real American .. ******** the a** of every man .. I am a real American .. Screw what's right, I'll take your life!
[05/08/2012 22:08:11] NuFu: DUN DUN DUN DUN DU-DU-DU-DUUUUN
[05/08/2012 22:08:17] Draze: hahahaha
[05/08/2012 22:08:21] Draze: that was funny
[05/08/2012 22:08:49] Draze: a little too much on the gay side though, which is the only part of it i didn't like
[05/08/2012 22:09:27] Chrono: Draze, I really need you to step out of the closet..People are complaining that they can't get their clothes
[05/08/2012 22:10:14] Draze: How many times must i say this? I am not gay. I never have been. I never will be
[05/08/2012 22:10:34] NuFu: I don't think he understands the concept of it.
[05/08/2012 22:11:14] NuFu: Draze .. if a male and another male like to make hanky-panky sexy time .. it's called being homosexual, or gay.
[05/08/2012 22:11:28] NuFu: In your case, however, you might not be gay.
[05/08/2012 22:11:52] NuFu: It depends on your view of what Draze and a transexual would be; gay, straight, misc?
[05/08/2012 22:12:41] Chrono: Nuke, I don't think he's gay.. He's too angry and bitter, gay people are happy. He's like.. A raging homosexual
[05/08/2012 22:13:13] NuFu: "Imma firin ma lazah"
[05/08/2012 22:13:26] NuFu: And by lazer, he means p***s. And by firing, he means putting it in men's asses.
[05/08/2012 22:13:30] NuFu: NuFu trollface.
[05/08/2012 22:13:35] NuFu: NuFu no-sells the next hit.
[05/08/2012 22:14:04] Chrono: I see Draze as more of the catcher..
[05/08/2012 22:14:08] Draze: both of you... Shut the ******** up. I am not gay, to be honest, I HATE those little freaks. my one uncle is gay, and I have bashed him like no other for years
[05/08/2012 22:14:15] Draze: SO SHUT THE ******** UP
[05/08/2012 22:14:22] Chrono: Definately the catcher
[05/08/2012 22:15:06] NuFu: Hey, woah. Why the gay bashing?
[05/08/2012 22:15:26] NuFu: I'm far from gay, but no one has the right to decide what preference someone is, in anything in life.
[05/08/2012 22:16:14] Daemonsparta: yeah draze, gay-bashing's not cool
[05/08/2012 22:16:20] NuFu: NuFu waits for the shitstorm.
[05/08/2012 22:16:35] Draze: Chrono, shut your god damn douche bag mouth. I am straight, I want to bang chicks, and I want to rasie my own family. But at least when I have kids, my daughter won't unexpectedly die you ******** douche nozzle
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