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 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:25 pm
The term "Judaism does not show up in the bible (at least I think) but from Adam and Eve unti before the prophet Issaih, Jews were called the People of God not Jews not Christians or anything. But Jesus was most definately a Jew, but he did not have to be a Jew though. God created Jesus as a Jew because again God had to speak to his people which were the Jews, they were the only ones that believed in the "true God". Islam or Christianity were not invented yet. But what makes Jesus a Jew, at least what I think, is that Jews believe that the Messiah has not come yet. Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah. Christ never named himself the Messiah (in the bible) only the "Son of Man" and the "King of the Jews". But religion was created by man Judaism, Christianity, Islam, every religion is the same thing in reality, they only have different aspects of their god/gods.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:53 am
Christian, literally, means "little Christ". So It would be weird for Christ to be a "little Christ."
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:26 pm
I didn't read all of your question becaused I saw many different questions being answered by you, but some I will. Judaism is more or less a term that was not used way back when. They called themselves the Israelites, not Jews until maybe the time of Jesus or Joseph (Jesus' father), but not very often. And JUdaism was called the "Hebrew Religion" or "Israelite Religion" I think. And Adam was not a prophet, for sure, no dought about it. The Creation Story was some what of a parable, a fictitious story meant to teach others. And you wouldn't call any character in "The Mustard Seed" parable a prophet. Abraham I am almost sure is a prophet but was not a Jew at first. He believed in the ancient religon of Mesopotamia, I don't know what it is called. But after God chose Abraham for him and his decsendants to create a nation and become his people, him and his descendants became the Israelites, not nessisarily Jews.
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:34 pm
A Christian is a follower of Christ.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:24 am
It seems there are a difference of opinion on what he was depending on your own religious scripture. I personally believe he is a Muslim.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:41 am
M a h z a l a It seems there are a difference of opinion on what he was depending on your own religious scripture. I personally believe he is a Muslim.
He was a Jew...
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:27 am
Calelith M a h z a l a It seems there are a difference of opinion on what he was depending on your own religious scripture. I personally believe he is a Muslim.
He was a Jew...
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
I don't believe that.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:31 am
M a h z a l a Calelith M a h z a l a It seems there are a difference of opinion on what he was depending on your own religious scripture. I personally believe he is a Muslim.
He was a Jew...
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
I don't believe that.
He's called the King of Jews...specially at the end of his life.
He was a Jew...
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:37 am
Calelith M a h z a l a Calelith M a h z a l a It seems there are a difference of opinion on what he was depending on your own religious scripture. I personally believe he is a Muslim.
He was a Jew...
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
I don't believe that.
He's called the King of Jews...specially at the end of his life.
He was a Jew...
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
Muslims consider him a Muslim as well as all the other Abrahamic Prophets. Jesus submitted himself to God. And that's what "Muslim" means. "One who submits to God". We also believe he didn't die yet, hence I used "is". Like I said before, it all depends on one's belief. And all three religions, Islam, Judaism and Christianity have different views about him.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:41 am
M a h z a l a Calelith M a h z a l a Calelith M a h z a l a It seems there are a difference of opinion on what he was depending on your own religious scripture. I personally believe he is a Muslim.
He was a Jew...
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
I don't believe that.
He's called the King of Jews...specially at the end of his life.
He was a Jew...
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
Muslims consider him a Muslim as well as all the other Abrahamic Prophets. Jesus submitted himself to God. And that's what "Muslim" means. "One who submits to God". We also believe he didn't die yet, hence I used "is". Like I said before, it all depends on one's belief. And all three religions, Islam, Judaism and Christianity have different views about him.
Jesus was never a Muslim and I know plenty of Muslims who reject Christ (as a prophet) in favor of their prophet, Muhammad.
Jesus was a Jew. He was born a Jew (hence being called the King of Jews by one of the Wise men) and he died a Jew (hence the crown of thorns placed on him when he was crucified).
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:46 am
Calelith Jesus was never a Muslim and I know plenty of Muslims who reject Christ (as a prophet) in favor of their prophet, Muhammad. That doesn't even make any sense. The Qur'an considers him a Prophet of God. A Muslim who denies that, there is an error in his beliefs. He was a Prophet as well as Muhammed (peace be upon them), but of course Muhammed we consider him to have a higher status. Quote: Jesus was a Jew. He was born a Jew (hence being called the King of Jews by one of the Wise men) and he died a Jew (hence the crown of thorns placed on him when he was crucified). According to the Bible. Sure. The Qur'an. No.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:54 am
M a h z a l a According to the Bible. Sure. The Qur'an. No.
Where at in the Qur'an?
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:04 am
Calelith M a h z a l a According to the Bible. Sure. The Qur'an. No.
Where at in the Qur'an?
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
"Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!". (The Holy Qur'an: 5:75) "He [Jesus] said: 'I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!' Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is" (The Holy Qur'an:19:30-35). He was simply a servant of God with His message who also submitted to His will. [EDITED] If you want to know about who he was in more detail according to the Islamic perspective, this would be helpful, I hope. I'm totally aware that some believe he was a Jew and why, but I honestly find these debates pointless, because people start to prove other holy scriptures wrong with their own holy scriptures, and well anyone can do that.
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:14 am
M a h z a l a I'm totally aware that some believe he was a Jew and why, but I honestly find these debates pointless, because people start to prove other holy scriptures wrong with their own holy scriptures, and well anyone can do that. Fantastic, you rendered your own argument invalid as well. I kind of agree with you on the part that i bolded though. I find it more valid to examine where "holy scriptures" disproves other parts of itself ... Anyway, you perhaps is forgetting that there is another way to define a jew, and that is through lineage. Of what i know(?), in jews, that lineage is on the mother's side, as in, if the mother is a jew, then the child is a jew. Thus, Jesus was a jew by inheritance. However, that makes it possible for the existance of Christian jews, Muslim jews, and even Pagan jews. So, back to the title-question: Was Christ a Christian? Saying that Jesus was a jew has no bearing what-so-ever on this answer. It is possible he started out as a "Jewish jew", but somewhere along his life, he obviously diverted from Judaism, semitism or whatever the judaic religion was known as during that time. Fatestitcher wrote: Christian, literally, means "little Christ". So It would be weird for Christ to be a "little Christ." This means that lingually, Jesus was not a Christian. Now, how about his own Faith? I dare say, that Jesus' own faith was neither Christian, Muslim, or Judaic. At best, those 3 faiths together, get near what would have been Jesus' own faith.
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:20 am
Tiina Brown M a h z a l a I'm totally aware that some believe he was a Jew and why, but I honestly find these debates pointless, because people start to prove other holy scriptures wrong with their own holy scriptures, and well anyone can do that. Fantastic, you rendered your own argument invalid as well. LOL. I believe in my own argument considering I accept the Qur'an to be the Word of God. Though the thing I was trying to get at was that each religion has a different view. Quote: Anyway, you perhaps is forgetting that there is another way to define a jew, and that is through lineage. Of what i know(?), in jews, that lineage is on the mother's side, as in, if the mother is a jew, then the child is a jew. Thus, Jesus was a jew by inheritance. Makes sense. Probably in that way. Quote: However, that makes it possible for the existance of Christian jews, Muslim jews, and even Pagan jews. So, back to the title-question: Was Christ a Christian? Yeah. xp Quote: Fatestitcher wrote: Christian, literally, means "little Christ". So It would be weird for Christ to be a "little Christ." This means that lingually, Jesus was not a Christian. Agreed. Quote: Now, how about his own Faith? I dare say, that Jesus' own faith was neither Christian, Muslim, or Judaic. At best, those 3 faiths together, get near what would have been Jesus' own faith. It was definitely close to any of those. And when I say Muslim, I mean that he submitted his will to God, which is what "Muslim" means. Though the rituals that are done today by Muslims like fasting in Ramadan and praying 5 times a day, etc. was most probably something Jesus (peace be upon him) didn't do. Laws did change over time. Though one thing is certain, he is a Monotheist, everyone agrees with that right? (I say this because I thought that everyone considered Moses (peace be upon him) a Monotheist too but lately I've heard some claiming he was a Pantheist.)
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