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 Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:48 pm
Blackcat6349 Zekil Blakhardt Blackcat6349 Zekil Blakhardt That is culture, I get it. But if one apology isn't enough, then reimburse them with another copy and tell 'em to shut up. People are overreacting about this. No wonder the world's gonna end. Lol, I like the way you think, but it isn't that simple. The Quar'an has been passed down through the generations for possibly hundreds of years. They aren't easily replaced. (P.S. I totally agree on all of your arguments. I'm just passing along what I heard people saying.)  If I had it my way about this thing, I'd have a bounty on my head. xD I know it's not that simple, but something like this could spark another war that can possibly tear the whole world apart. Is that something worth doing for a a cultural book that can easily be replaced? Well, some people brought up just taking the troops out of there. Currently, we are protecting this guy who is in charge (I don't know if he's a president or a dictator or what. I'm guessing a tyrant.) and nobody really wants him in charge but he's what they call the lesser of a group of evils so the Americans put up with him. I think it was Mitt Romney, a guy running for presidential election, who brought it up. He says we should just leave and tell the tyrant guy good luck, because without the troops protecting his back he'll be dead before the year is out. What do you say to that? I agree to that because what are we getting in exchange to protecting his sorry behind that messed up his reign? If we leave, he's dead, and that region or country can start over the way they want to start over. Besides, I'm pretty sure that area wants our soldiers outta there anyway. The tensions would decrease, which means less pressure on the government.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:53 pm
But then there is no guarantee that the really bad guys, the ones that started the whole war in the first place, wouldn't move back into power. The U.S. has pushed them back before and, thinking everything would be fine then, left. But they came back and started to take control again. That could possibly mean more terrorist attacks like 9-11 (though that seems a bit of a stretch to me, though it is possible)
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:59 pm
Blackcat6349 But then there is no guarantee that the really bad guys, the ones that started the whole war in the first place, wouldn't move back into power. The U.S. has pushed them back before and, thinking everything would be fine then, left. But they came back and started to take control again. That could possibly mean more terrorist attacks like 9-11 (though that seems a bit of a stretch to me, though it is possible) True, all that could happen, and no one wants that. Perhaps a compromise can be reached: Turn in the tyrant, then help the country stabilize and have some treaty that prevents attacks or something of the sort. The only benefit we're getting from all this occupation is security. We're throwing away millions of dollars for this. If the whole thing can somehow be reduced little by little, then we'd be saving some money to pay off the debt.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:02 pm
Zekil Blakhardt Blackcat6349 But then there is no guarantee that the really bad guys, the ones that started the whole war in the first place, wouldn't move back into power. The U.S. has pushed them back before and, thinking everything would be fine then, left. But they came back and started to take control again. That could possibly mean more terrorist attacks like 9-11 (though that seems a bit of a stretch to me, though it is possible) True, all that could happen, and no one wants that. Perhaps a compromise can be reached: Turn in the tyrant, then help the country stabilize and have some treaty that prevents attacks or something of the sort. The only benefit we're getting from all this occupation is security. We're throwing away millions of dollars for this. If the whole thing can somehow be reduced little by little, then we'd be saving some money to pay off the debt. But doesn't Iran have it's own right to secure a leader, by whatever means they happen to do it, instead of haveing somebody step in and do it for them?
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:06 pm
Blackcat6349 Zekil Blakhardt Blackcat6349 But then there is no guarantee that the really bad guys, the ones that started the whole war in the first place, wouldn't move back into power. The U.S. has pushed them back before and, thinking everything would be fine then, left. But they came back and started to take control again. That could possibly mean more terrorist attacks like 9-11 (though that seems a bit of a stretch to me, though it is possible) True, all that could happen, and no one wants that. Perhaps a compromise can be reached: Turn in the tyrant, then help the country stabilize and have some treaty that prevents attacks or something of the sort. The only benefit we're getting from all this occupation is security. We're throwing away millions of dollars for this. If the whole thing can somehow be reduced little by little, then we'd be saving some money to pay off the debt. But doesn't Iran have it's own right to secure a leader, by whatever means they happen to do it, instead of haveing somebody step in and do it for them? That's for them to decide. If they want a leader, then by all means let them have one. But if that leader wants U.S. troops to stay, he better be able to make it worth the money spent on the whole thing.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:11 pm
It's not just some cultural book, it's the central part of the muslim religion.
Book burning in itself is a horrible offense, but a religious book can be taken as a direct stab at a large group of people, and knowing America's track record with Muslim culture in general, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, America is digging itself a hole.
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:18 pm
WhiteWingtip It's not just some cultural book, it's the central part of the muslim religion. Book burning in itself is a horrible offense, but a religious book can be taken as a direct stab at a large group of people, and knowing America's track record with Muslim culture in general, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, America is digging itself a hole.
How are we digging ourselves a hole? We, the citizens, didn't order the books burned. It was a mistake, a miscommunication of orders that caused this. I don't think the President should have apologized. However, I do think that someone should at least look into what went wrong so it won't happen again. If anyone on our side needs to apologize, its the person(s) responsible for the mistake in the first place.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:29 am
AINGELPROJECT667 WhiteWingtip It's not just some cultural book, it's the central part of the muslim religion. Book burning in itself is a horrible offense, but a religious book can be taken as a direct stab at a large group of people, and knowing America's track record with Muslim culture in general, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, America is digging itself a hole. How are we digging ourselves a hole? We, the citizens, didn't order the books burned. It was a mistake, a miscommunication of orders that caused this. I don't think the President should have apologized. However, I do think that someone should at least look into what went wrong so it won't happen again. If anyone on our side needs to apologize, its the person(s) responsible for the mistake in the first place. Well let me just tell you that the view of Americans right now isn't exactly "an open-minded and peaceful nation." You've become a scapegoat for a lot of crap that goes down, especially when things like that happen in your own country. People start generalizing and thinking that everyone must think the way that we see Americans portrayed, and some people that travel around the world aren't fighting against that portrait, so we see that as evidence to our claims. I'm not speaking to every country out there, but I'm glad that Obama apologized only because it may have stopped more violence. I'm all for stopping violence.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:35 am
WhiteWingtip AINGELPROJECT667 WhiteWingtip It's not just some cultural book, it's the central part of the muslim religion. Book burning in itself is a horrible offense, but a religious book can be taken as a direct stab at a large group of people, and knowing America's track record with Muslim culture in general, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, America is digging itself a hole. How are we digging ourselves a hole? We, the citizens, didn't order the books burned. It was a mistake, a miscommunication of orders that caused this. I don't think the President should have apologized. However, I do think that someone should at least look into what went wrong so it won't happen again. If anyone on our side needs to apologize, its the person(s) responsible for the mistake in the first place. Well let me just tell you that the view of Americans right now isn't exactly "an open-minded and peaceful nation." You've become a scapegoat for a lot of crap that goes down, especially when things like that happen in your own country. People start generalizing and thinking that everyone must think the way that we see Americans portrayed, and some people that travel around the world aren't fighting against that portrait, so we see that as evidence to our claims. I'm not speaking to every country out there, but I'm glad that Obama apologized only because it may have stopped more violence. I'm all for stopping violence.
Same. I just think that it shouldn't have been Obama who had to make the apology. He didn't order anyone to burn the books. If anyone had to fess up, it would have to be the guy who ordered the books to be thrown into the burn pile in the first place.
Of course, that would basically be a death sentence for said guy. Either way, at least someone on our side acknowledged a mistake, instead of trying to cover it up.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:24 pm
Hmm. In this I'm pretty un-biased. I get that the Quar'an is really important but I also think violence should have been a last resort.
And one argument nobody brought up yet, and I'm kind of surprised nobody has, is if this book is so important, why are they using it for dirty-work like fighting a war? That's just wrong. I wouldn't even use a bible for that, and I don't think it's as important to it's religion(s) as the Quar'an is to Muslims.
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