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Hinote Tosatsu
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:47 pm


I have the same level of reading comprehension. I was said to be at university level in that field when I was in second grade. However, being able to comprehend something does not relate in any way to being able to do it.

Let's use your example of driving the car. I have to assume you were not thrown into the driver's seat of a rolling vehicle three seconds before hitting the gate in order to make that move. I have to assume you were already driving long enough to get up to that speed. (And considering that going that fast in a turn with such a small area to pass through, it was a pretty dumb move too, showing an actual lack of skill in the area.)

I haven't actually read any of the RP posts related to this argument, just the bit Hikaro quoted, so I can't really say anything directly about the posts.

If you read a book on sniping, does that mean you can actually hit a target with a sniper rifle? No. If you watch someone else shoot it successfully, can you do it then? No. If they explain to your how to do it, can you then hit the target? No. You have to practice. Your body does not learn at the same rate as your mind. It can take into account what it has seen or heard, but it still needs to be physically taught how to do the things itself.

Edit: And you can't claim your RPC tried to learn the technique before as part of your learning, unless it is done in a flashback or something. It'd still have to be a full learning post regardless to keep with the learning system.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:05 pm


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:07 pm


Hinote Tosatsu
I have the same level of reading comprehension. I was said to be at university level in that field when I was in second grade. However, being able to comprehend something does not relate in any way to being able to do it.

Let's use your example of driving the car. I have to assume you were not thrown into the driver's seat of a rolling vehicle three seconds before hitting the gate in order to make that move. I have to assume you were already driving long enough to get up to that speed. (And considering that going that fast in a turn with such a small area to pass through, it was a pretty dumb move too, showing an actual lack of skill in the area.)

I haven't actually read any of the RP posts related to this argument, just the bit Hikaro quoted, so I can't really say anything directly about the posts.

If you read a book on sniping, does that mean you can actually hit a target with a sniper rifle? No. If you watch someone else shoot it successfully, can you do it then? No. If they explain to your how to do it, can you then hit the target? No. You have to practice. Your body does not learn at the same rate as your mind. It can take into account what it has seen or heard, but it still needs to be physically taught how to do the things itself.

Edit: And you can't claim your RPC tried to learn the technique before as part of your learning, unless it is done in a flashback or something. It'd still have to be a full learning post regardless to keep with the learning system.


Well, I remember solving Einsteins Theory on Relativity in the womb. I just left my findings in there. And winning my first Heavyweight Boxing title in the first grade.

So ya'll just been one-upped.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:28 pm


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Ugh... This is why I have a difference of opinion with you all.

This is why we are discussing it. 3nodding

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Anything I read, I comprehend instantly, Therefore I don't understand why people have a learning process, therefore I can't roleplay it, so I omit it....


Now despite my earlier statment I feel I should make it absolutely clear that this is not meant as an attack. However I feel I should point out this statement is rather wrong. You have read the POTS rules yet you have applied them incorrectly multiple times in the past (So have I of course, so again this is not an attack). Not only that, but this is not about pure data, he needs to learn how to perform the jutsu. Everyone needs to develop muscle memory, strength etc for walking, running, martial arts, dancing etc. Noone just "knows" how to do it, especially not from reading a book. In fact martial arts books are generally thought of as the antichrist so to speak, since people mislearn things and then are unable to change their habits. Now manipulating chakra is taking this all to the next level.

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
But I didn't think it would escalate to this level.

If you think this is getting out of control, or are feeling attacked, then we can stop the conversation now and I will give you a full apology for making you feel that way. Or if you believe people are teaming up on you then we can move this to PM or toss it into the debate forum.

However unless you find another teacher, or convince me otherwise, I will expect your learning posts to include some form of learning.

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
I know that what she said is true, I do need to post the learning process. But for the piddly Raiton ones I don't see the use. I have a - 3 posts to learn it I think... The -3 from the home village training grounds with a teacher, and the -3 due to his shinobi type. So taking into consideration that Laxus would have extreme prowess in the raiton field, picking up on it at an accelerated rate ( Picking it up quickly even without a teacher, but still needing to experiment with it. ) With a teacher who ( supposedly ) explained the functions of the technique and demonstrated it, as well as a comfortable environment relieving stress, I don't see why he couldn't pick it up quickly without need for testing.

Theory versus application, there are still things that need to be figured out. See my previous post.

The point is not as much the speed of learning, he could figure it out pretty quickly (though not perform the jutsu immediately) and still go through some sort of learning.

@Hinote: Actually the flashback post isn't a bad idea, I like that one Hinote.
Also, I was said to be college level in gradeschool as well. That may or may not be just something they like telling promising readers. That also may or may not be because noone else reads so college/university level reading isn't as high as it should be. Or it's possible we are supergenius readers of awesome.

Hikaro_rin
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Hinote Tosatsu
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:05 am


Anonymous_Alcoholic
Well, I remember solving Einsteins Theory on Relativity in the womb. I just left my findings in there. And winning my first Heavyweight Boxing title in the first grade.

So ya'll just been one-upped.


Psh. I received multiple military awards just for being born, pinned to my bare chest by the president himself moments after I came out.

~

@Hikaro: I dunno. Looking at the reading/writing skills of most people these days, I don't find it that difficult to believe. The only area I wasn't far enough ahead in to not understand higher level books was the various words and topics in them. I have of course since corrected that flaw. My mom actually asked one of my teachers what sot of books they thought I should read once, and the teacher said novels. XD

I hate novels... Too boring. And romantic.

I won't deny the supergenius comment though! XD
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:08 am


Hinote Tosatsu
Anonymous_Alcoholic
Well, I remember solving Einsteins Theory on Relativity in the womb. I just left my findings in there. And winning my first Heavyweight Boxing title in the first grade.

So ya'll just been one-upped.


Psh. I received multiple military awards just for being born, pinned to my bare chest by the president himself moments after I came out.

~

@Hikaro: I dunno. Looking at the reading/writing skills of most people these days, I don't find it that difficult to believe. The only area I wasn't far enough ahead in to not understand higher level books was the various words and topics in them. I have of course since corrected that flaw. My mom actually asked one of my teachers what sot of books they thought I should read once, and the teacher said novels. XD

I hate novels... Too boring. And romantic.

I won't deny the supergenius comment though! XD


I will have you know I figured out cold fusion in a past life and promptly destroyed such knowledge. And I'm the Avatar.

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Hikaro_rin
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:33 am


Anonymous_Alcoholic
Hinote Tosatsu
Anonymous_Alcoholic
Well, I remember solving Einsteins Theory on Relativity in the womb. I just left my findings in there. And winning my first Heavyweight Boxing title in the first grade.

So ya'll just been one-upped.


Psh. I received multiple military awards just for being born, pinned to my bare chest by the president himself moments after I came out.

~

@Hikaro: I dunno. Looking at the reading/writing skills of most people these days, I don't find it that difficult to believe. The only area I wasn't far enough ahead in to not understand higher level books was the various words and topics in them. I have of course since corrected that flaw. My mom actually asked one of my teachers what sot of books they thought I should read once, and the teacher said novels. XD

I hate novels... Too boring. And romantic.

I won't deny the supergenius comment though! XD


I will have you know I figured out cold fusion in a past life and promptly destroyed such knowledge. And I'm the Avatar.


Is that all? I am Hikaro Rin. Nowwhosbeenoneupped?

Edit: You don't like to read Novels? that is indeed an unfortunate affliction you have. I hope that someday I will have the heart to forgive you.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:35 pm


@ Hinote
Yes, but in order ot get to that Gate, I had only gone through 2 turns before hand, and judging the speed I was going and the angle of the turn necessary, I was able to judge the time needed before the turn, and thusly make the appropriate maneuver. I actually began turning roughly two seconds before hand, placed one hand in the turning posistion two seconds before that, and placed the other in the other turning position a second after the first, and then turned. I'd never read a manual or anything, my driving skills are all explanitory through verbal basis, and occipital from watching as my father drove.

Isn't chakra more willpower than it is body power?

@ Hikaro
I also stated that my comprehension isn't the same ( Atleast I think I did... ) as most people, that's why I don't understand most things that you all reference. I've read the rules, and I comprehend them in my fashion. Once I hear differently, and the rule is explained in detail to me, I fix my comprehension. Simply put, I often misunderstand the rules, but I don't realize this until it is a problem. Like I said with hinote, Isn't Chakra manipulation more willpower than it is muscular? Granted, now that I think about it, Since Laxus doesn't have an intelligence based attribute, he should still have a learning process, so most of my arguement is null and void now. however, I do believe that if Chakra manipulation is more willpower oriented, then it should be easier for the more intelligent.

No, no, that isn't what I thought at all. xD I just didn't think that posts were going to become this lengthy. My speech style is odd, simply because I grew up speaking older english than those around me, and so I was bullied, and now my speech is a mixture of slang and older speech. That's why my writing/typing is often filled with holes and such, I speak fluently ( Aside from the Me/I thing when mentioning another person in the same sentence, occasionally I do mess up on that one, but i was born and raised in a farming community in Oklahoma, so most people mess that up around here. I'm lucky that's the only bad speech habit I have obtained from this rotten podunk(sp?) town I live in. ) in english, so most people don't understand my hesitation to type or to write.

No, no, I've come to the conclusion that since Laxus lacks a intelligence boosting attribute/type, he shouldn't be able to manipulate chakra so masterfully without a trial period. You can expect a learning portion on my next post. ( Although the quality of the learning post might be hard knocked, I'm still not used to them, normally I just describe the technique, not neccessarily the learning process. xD )

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

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Hikaro_rin
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:06 pm


I will of course be lenient since you are just learning how to make a proper learning post.

Because I am having fun with this discussion I will venture to beat the proverbial dead horse.

However, I am still firm in the belief that even an Ushio Ninjutsu specialist with tactical and chakra control ninja types would need to undergo the learning process. He would certainly understand the concepts faster, and would go through the learning process faster, but he would still need to go through the process.

Reading in itself is a completely different beast. I will confess that I was one of the last in my class to actually learn how to read. However, once I got it I leaped to having the best reading comprehension in the class. This is not due to some inherent genius that I know of, I simply read a lot more than the others so I learned how to read faster.
What this means is I understand well the odd beast of learning written English. I would argue that as soon as one starts grasping basic vocabulary and concepts you can do something that is not quite as easy in other subjects. You can learn new words without their definition purely through context.
And I said that to jump into the final point I wish to make.
The difference between comprehension and retention is often muddied. If I saw a big word in only one context, I could remember it, I could probably even remember how to spell it. However, I can't possibly know the full definition, only a portion, since I only know it in that one context.
So remembering the word without the definition is retention without comprehension. I could go on to use that word elsewhere and it would make absolutely no sense or mean something else entirely.
If you watch someone perform a jutsu you could learn what it looks like (recognition), maybe even that it is made up of X chakra (the spelling in a sense) however you do not necessarily know what the makes up the jutsu, how you use it (the definition).
The ability to learn a jutsu purely from observation and theory is indeed possible, it is however such a difficult one that you need a bloodline to do it. Namely the Sharingan. This is mostly because of the various complexities involved as well as the fact that most said complexities are nearly impossible for the average eye to notice.

I am assuming in this example that you learned to read similar to how I did, by context rather than looking every word up in a dictionary (the slower but arguably more effective method). If you knew very word you came across without even blinking an eye then either you actually learned by context or you are omniscient and this conversation probably wouldn't have taken place.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:23 pm


Hmmm... When you put it that way, It seems to work in your favor, But what about this.

An Ushio with Tactical, chakra control, and Teaching as the profession. One of the bonuses for the Teaching profession is learning from simply watching the technique. Heck, using that alone, you could completely rid yourself of the Ushio, and of the two types. Granted It is chunnin or jonin benefit, but it is roughly based solely on seeing it preformed ( context ). So as an Ushio with the affore mentioned types, couldn't you ba capable of achieving a similar version, or even with just tactical and chakra control. If you can know the jutsu's basis, and the teacher explain the principles/requirements to utilize the technique, it should come easily, and without practice.

I had a good teacher who taught me how to draw a bow, aim, and loose the arrow in only an hour, and he taught me to hit the bull's eye every time. Now i wasn't very interested, but he taught me in a very simple and comprehensible way. I couldn't do it now even with days of training, I haven't even touched a bow and arrow for months, but give me around 2 weeks, and enough time to my thoughts and application of the techniques, and I could probably recreate the process he taught me, and thusly be capable of working a bow and arrow once more.

The second paragraph doesn't affirm my side, but it shows that once you have knowledge of something, mere memory and trial and error will allow you to recall it. ... Crap, I had this huge train of thought process coming along and I had a superb finisher, and my mind got sidetracked... I forgot wher I was going with this...

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

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Hikaro_rin
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:52 pm


HadoKennie
Hikaro_rin

what level is the genjutsu?

Discussion moved to reduce clutter.
All the jutsu used were pre-existing jutsu, although modified to make sense. The emotion genjutsu is a C-ranked technique.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:13 pm


Bleh... X.x

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

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TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:40 am


G-Pilot Zero


Hikaro_rin


I are quoting both of you. ( Oww... My head hurts from typing are instead of am now... Owww... I really need to stop that. )
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:33 pm


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

It makes my eyes bleed whenever I see it as well.

Nice post in the ramen shop. You created an interesting environment. Would you mind typing up a description for the Denkou Ramen Shop? You could probably reuse most of the description from your post, then just add some notes on the behemoth and speedy assistant. Feel free to post it yourself, just use the document format so it is clear that it is "official".

Hikaro_rin
Crew


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:38 pm


Hikaro_rin


eek I get to make the Ramen Shop description? crying I'm so very happy!

Lolz. xD Not that overjoyed, but I'm happy to be doing something to be giving this village some flavor. xD
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