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 Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:18 pm
The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force I'm a bit put off since they just characterized her as mainstream Western media usually characterizes those differently abled mentally, which is to say offensively. I checked the forums for it and I was not surprised at the people defending the characterization and deriding those who were offended. The only why I could see that is if you were only going by her voice alone, aside from that it's only shown to be a klutz. Neither of these things say anything about her mental capacity, and even if they did, we'd love her anyway, so quit TRYING to be a stick in the mud. She's a walking stereotype. They did not have to portray her that way, and it is inconsequential if the fanbase loves her. Southerners loved the portrayal of Uncle Remus in Song of the South but it didn't make the film or his character any less racist. How? How is she a walking stereotype? You're assuming she is mentally disabled based on your understanding of a stereotype. YOU are the one stereotyping here, not the show. I cannot say I did not expect that response. She fits the usual negative media stereotype of those who are differently abled mentally. Your response is akin to saying I was stereotyping for complaining about a black person being portrayed as criminal with a strong love for fried chicken. No it is not, as something like skin color is easily observable, where as something like mental ability is not. If I saw a black man portrayed as a thug who likes fried chicken, yeah it would be a stereotype, but if it was a white guy, it wouldn't be. If she is mentally disabled then it MIGHT be a stereotype, but if she is just a silly pony then it is not. And YOU are the one stereotyping by assuming she is mentally disabled...not to mention your argument is a circular one: Why is it a stereotype? Because she's mentally disabled How do you know she's mentally disabled? Because she fits the stereotype.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:27 pm
TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force I'm a bit put off since they just characterized her as mainstream Western media usually characterizes those differently abled mentally, which is to say offensively. I checked the forums for it and I was not surprised at the people defending the characterization and deriding those who were offended. The only why I could see that is if you were only going by her voice alone, aside from that it's only shown to be a klutz. Neither of these things say anything about her mental capacity, and even if they did, we'd love her anyway, so quit TRYING to be a stick in the mud. She's a walking stereotype. They did not have to portray her that way, and it is inconsequential if the fanbase loves her. Southerners loved the portrayal of Uncle Remus in Song of the South but it didn't make the film or his character any less racist. How? How is she a walking stereotype? You're assuming she is mentally disabled based on your understanding of a stereotype. YOU are the one stereotyping here, not the show. I cannot say I did not expect that response. She fits the usual negative media stereotype of those who are differently abled mentally. Your response is akin to saying I was stereotyping for complaining about a black person being portrayed as criminal with a strong love for fried chicken. No it is not, as something like skin color is easily observable, where as something like mental ability is not. If I saw a black man portrayed as a thug who likes fried chicken, yeah it would be a stereotype, but if it was a white guy, it wouldn't be. If she is mentally disabled then it MIGHT be a stereotype, but if she is just a silly pony then it is not. And YOU are the one stereotyping by assuming she is mentally disabled...not to mention your argument is a circular one: Why is it a stereotype? Because she's mentally disabled How do you know she's mentally disabled? Because she fits the stereotype. It does not matter if she is or not, that is how they chose to portray her, not to mention keeping the name Derpy which is a mockery of mental retardation. They chose to make her look stereotypically mentally handicapped. They could have given her a normal voice, but no, hurr durr is much more fun. And let's face the truth, the bulk of the fanbase pushing for her inclusion are net-dwellers, and they are absolutely not known for being the most socially conscious and considerate people.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:01 pm
http://fromonesurvivortoanother.tumblr.com/post/15821397354/trigger-warning-ableism-ableist-slurs-an-open
http://indoorshades.tumblr.com/post/16251551942/trigger-warning-ableism-ableist-slurs-an-open
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:14 am
The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force She's a walking stereotype. They did not have to portray her that way, and it is inconsequential if the fanbase loves her. Southerners loved the portrayal of Uncle Remus in Song of the South but it didn't make the film or his character any less racist. How? How is she a walking stereotype? You're assuming she is mentally disabled based on your understanding of a stereotype. YOU are the one stereotyping here, not the show. I cannot say I did not expect that response. She fits the usual negative media stereotype of those who are differently abled mentally. Your response is akin to saying I was stereotyping for complaining about a black person being portrayed as criminal with a strong love for fried chicken. No it is not, as something like skin color is easily observable, where as something like mental ability is not. If I saw a black man portrayed as a thug who likes fried chicken, yeah it would be a stereotype, but if it was a white guy, it wouldn't be. If she is mentally disabled then it MIGHT be a stereotype, but if she is just a silly pony then it is not. And YOU are the one stereotyping by assuming she is mentally disabled...not to mention your argument is a circular one: Why is it a stereotype? Because she's mentally disabled How do you know she's mentally disabled? Because she fits the stereotype. It does not matter if she is or not, that is how they chose to portray her, not to mention keeping the name Derpy which is a mockery of mental retardation. They chose to make her look stereotypically mentally handicapped. They could have given her a normal voice, but no, hurr durr is much more fun. And let's face the truth, the bulk of the fanbase pushing for her inclusion are net-dwellers, and they are absolutely not known for being the most socially conscious and considerate people. You are still making an assumption based on your understanding of a stereotype.You have yet to address this.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:25 am
TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force She's a walking stereotype. They did not have to portray her that way, and it is inconsequential if the fanbase loves her. Southerners loved the portrayal of Uncle Remus in Song of the South but it didn't make the film or his character any less racist. How? How is she a walking stereotype? You're assuming she is mentally disabled based on your understanding of a stereotype. YOU are the one stereotyping here, not the show. I cannot say I did not expect that response. She fits the usual negative media stereotype of those who are differently abled mentally. Your response is akin to saying I was stereotyping for complaining about a black person being portrayed as criminal with a strong love for fried chicken. No it is not, as something like skin color is easily observable, where as something like mental ability is not. If I saw a black man portrayed as a thug who likes fried chicken, yeah it would be a stereotype, but if it was a white guy, it wouldn't be. If she is mentally disabled then it MIGHT be a stereotype, but if she is just a silly pony then it is not. And YOU are the one stereotyping by assuming she is mentally disabled...not to mention your argument is a circular one: Why is it a stereotype? Because she's mentally disabled How do you know she's mentally disabled? Because she fits the stereotype. It does not matter if she is or not, that is how they chose to portray her, not to mention keeping the name Derpy which is a mockery of mental retardation. They chose to make her look stereotypically mentally handicapped. They could have given her a normal voice, but no, hurr durr is much more fun. And let's face the truth, the bulk of the fanbase pushing for her inclusion are net-dwellers, and they are absolutely not known for being the most socially conscious and considerate people. You are still making an assumption based on your understanding of a stereotype.You have yet to address this. It does not matter if she is or not. The entire problem is that they are playing the stereotype for viewer's amusement, and that is unacceptable. I provided a couple of firsthand accounts. Did you read them?
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:41 pm
I honestly don't get why people find Derpy offensive
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:37 am
Kaptain K Rool I honestly don't get why people find Derpy offensive Because people are stupid
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:39 am
The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force I cannot say I did not expect that response. She fits the usual negative media stereotype of those who are differently abled mentally. Your response is akin to saying I was stereotyping for complaining about a black person being portrayed as criminal with a strong love for fried chicken. No it is not, as something like skin color is easily observable, where as something like mental ability is not. If I saw a black man portrayed as a thug who likes fried chicken, yeah it would be a stereotype, but if it was a white guy, it wouldn't be. If she is mentally disabled then it MIGHT be a stereotype, but if she is just a silly pony then it is not. And YOU are the one stereotyping by assuming she is mentally disabled...not to mention your argument is a circular one: Why is it a stereotype? Because she's mentally disabled How do you know she's mentally disabled? Because she fits the stereotype. It does not matter if she is or not, that is how they chose to portray her, not to mention keeping the name Derpy which is a mockery of mental retardation. They chose to make her look stereotypically mentally handicapped. They could have given her a normal voice, but no, hurr durr is much more fun. And let's face the truth, the bulk of the fanbase pushing for her inclusion are net-dwellers, and they are absolutely not known for being the most socially conscious and considerate people. You are still making an assumption based on your understanding of a stereotype.You have yet to address this. It does not matter if she is or not. The entire problem is that they are playing the stereotype for viewer's amusement, and that is unacceptable. I provided a couple of firsthand accounts. Did you read them? I did but I would ask you whether or not a white man acting "stereotypicaly black" would be a stereo type. If not, then I still fail to see how Derpy is a stereotype.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:17 am
TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force I cannot say I did not expect that response. She fits the usual negative media stereotype of those who are differently abled mentally. Your response is akin to saying I was stereotyping for complaining about a black person being portrayed as criminal with a strong love for fried chicken. No it is not, as something like skin color is easily observable, where as something like mental ability is not. If I saw a black man portrayed as a thug who likes fried chicken, yeah it would be a stereotype, but if it was a white guy, it wouldn't be. If she is mentally disabled then it MIGHT be a stereotype, but if she is just a silly pony then it is not. And YOU are the one stereotyping by assuming she is mentally disabled...not to mention your argument is a circular one: Why is it a stereotype? Because she's mentally disabled How do you know she's mentally disabled? Because she fits the stereotype. It does not matter if she is or not, that is how they chose to portray her, not to mention keeping the name Derpy which is a mockery of mental retardation. They chose to make her look stereotypically mentally handicapped. They could have given her a normal voice, but no, hurr durr is much more fun. And let's face the truth, the bulk of the fanbase pushing for her inclusion are net-dwellers, and they are absolutely not known for being the most socially conscious and considerate people. You are still making an assumption based on your understanding of a stereotype.You have yet to address this. It does not matter if she is or not. The entire problem is that they are playing the stereotype for viewer's amusement, and that is unacceptable. I provided a couple of firsthand accounts. Did you read them? I did but I would ask you whether or not a white man acting "stereotypicaly black" would be a stereo type. If not, then I still fail to see how Derpy is a stereotype. It would be acting stereotypically and yes, would be offensive.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:24 pm
The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force It does not matter if she is or not, that is how they chose to portray her, not to mention keeping the name Derpy which is a mockery of mental retardation. They chose to make her look stereotypically mentally handicapped. They could have given her a normal voice, but no, hurr durr is much more fun. And let's face the truth, the bulk of the fanbase pushing for her inclusion are net-dwellers, and they are absolutely not known for being the most socially conscious and considerate people. You are still making an assumption based on your understanding of a stereotype.You have yet to address this. It does not matter if she is or not. The entire problem is that they are playing the stereotype for viewer's amusement, and that is unacceptable. I provided a couple of firsthand accounts. Did you read them? I did but I would ask you whether or not a white man acting "stereotypicaly black" would be a stereo type. If not, then I still fail to see how Derpy is a stereotype. It would be acting stereotypically and yes, would be offensive. That's not what I'm asking, I'm asking what if they actually FIT that stereotype, not what if they were trying to act like that stereotype.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:41 pm
TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force It does not matter if she is or not, that is how they chose to portray her, not to mention keeping the name Derpy which is a mockery of mental retardation. They chose to make her look stereotypically mentally handicapped. They could have given her a normal voice, but no, hurr durr is much more fun. And let's face the truth, the bulk of the fanbase pushing for her inclusion are net-dwellers, and they are absolutely not known for being the most socially conscious and considerate people. You are still making an assumption based on your understanding of a stereotype.You have yet to address this. It does not matter if she is or not. The entire problem is that they are playing the stereotype for viewer's amusement, and that is unacceptable. I provided a couple of firsthand accounts. Did you read them? I did but I would ask you whether or not a white man acting "stereotypicaly black" would be a stereo type. If not, then I still fail to see how Derpy is a stereotype. It would be acting stereotypically and yes, would be offensive. That's not what I'm asking, I'm asking what if they actually FIT that stereotype, not what if they were trying to act like that stereotype. I'd say that a work of fiction isn't comparable so it's a non-issue. Derpy wasn't accidentally a mentally-handicapped stereotype.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:47 pm
The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force It does not matter if she is or not. The entire problem is that they are playing the stereotype for viewer's amusement, and that is unacceptable. I provided a couple of firsthand accounts. Did you read them? I did but I would ask you whether or not a white man acting "stereotypicaly black" would be a stereo type. If not, then I still fail to see how Derpy is a stereotype. It would be acting stereotypically and yes, would be offensive. That's not what I'm asking, I'm asking what if they actually FIT that stereotype, not what if they were trying to act like that stereotype. I'd say that a work of fiction isn't comparable so it's a non-issue. Derpy wasn't accidentally a mentally-handicapped stereotype. So if a white character acted stereotypically black that character would be a stereotype? My point is that unless you ARE the group that is stereotyped, you cannot be a stereotype. And since your only evidence for Derpy being mentally challenged is that actual stereotype, which is circular logic and therefor invalidated, we have do not have adequate reason to assume that she is mentally challenged, and therefor she cannot be a stereotype of the mentally challenged.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:54 pm
TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force It does not matter if she is or not. The entire problem is that they are playing the stereotype for viewer's amusement, and that is unacceptable. I provided a couple of firsthand accounts. Did you read them? I did but I would ask you whether or not a white man acting "stereotypicaly black" would be a stereo type. If not, then I still fail to see how Derpy is a stereotype. It would be acting stereotypically and yes, would be offensive. That's not what I'm asking, I'm asking what if they actually FIT that stereotype, not what if they were trying to act like that stereotype. I'd say that a work of fiction isn't comparable so it's a non-issue. Derpy wasn't accidentally a mentally-handicapped stereotype. So if a white character acted stereotypically black that character would be a stereotype? My point is that unless you ARE the group that is stereotyped, you cannot be a stereotype. And since your only evidence for Derpy being mentally challenged is that actual stereotype, which is circular logic and therefor invalidated, we have do not have adequate reason to assume that she is mentally challenged, and therefor she cannot be a stereotype of the mentally challenged. Yes, and wrong. It does not matter if she is mentally differently abled or not. By making her fit a popular negative stereotype, they are helping continue the publicly accepted mockery of a differently abled group of people.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:59 pm
The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force It would be acting stereotypically and yes, would be offensive. That's not what I'm asking, I'm asking what if they actually FIT that stereotype, not what if they were trying to act like that stereotype. I'd say that a work of fiction isn't comparable so it's a non-issue. Derpy wasn't accidentally a mentally-handicapped stereotype. So if a white character acted stereotypically black that character would be a stereotype? My point is that unless you ARE the group that is stereotyped, you cannot be a stereotype. And since your only evidence for Derpy being mentally challenged is that actual stereotype, which is circular logic and therefor invalidated, we have do not have adequate reason to assume that she is mentally challenged, and therefor she cannot be a stereotype of the mentally challenged. Yes, and wrong. It does not matter if she is mentally differently abled or not. By making her fit a popular negative stereotype, they are helping continue the publicly accepted mockery of a differently abled group of people. You're retreating, and not very gracefully. It IS relevant whether or not she is mentally disabled as that determines whether or not she is a stereotype. And what EXACTLY was offensive to you about how she was portrayed? That she had crossed eyes? Crossed eyes are not a sign of mental disability, that she was clumsy? Also not a sign of mental disability. Was it her voice? Her hair? What, what was it that honestly offended you, because I can't think of a single thing portrayed that any reasonable person would take exception to.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:09 pm
TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force TANRailgun The Living Force It would be acting stereotypically and yes, would be offensive. That's not what I'm asking, I'm asking what if they actually FIT that stereotype, not what if they were trying to act like that stereotype. I'd say that a work of fiction isn't comparable so it's a non-issue. Derpy wasn't accidentally a mentally-handicapped stereotype. So if a white character acted stereotypically black that character would be a stereotype? My point is that unless you ARE the group that is stereotyped, you cannot be a stereotype. And since your only evidence for Derpy being mentally challenged is that actual stereotype, which is circular logic and therefor invalidated, we have do not have adequate reason to assume that she is mentally challenged, and therefor she cannot be a stereotype of the mentally challenged. Yes, and wrong. It does not matter if she is mentally differently abled or not. By making her fit a popular negative stereotype, they are helping continue the publicly accepted mockery of a differently abled group of people. You're retreating, and not very gracefully. It IS relevant whether or not she is mentally disabled as that determines whether or not she is a stereotype. And what EXACTLY was offensive to you about how she was portrayed? That she had crossed eyes? Crossed eyes are not a sign of mental disability, that she was clumsy? Also not a sign of mental disability. Was it her voice? Her hair? What, what was it that honestly offended you, because I can't think of a single thing portrayed that any reasonable person would take exception to. You can portray a stereotype without making the entity portraying it actually fit the stereotype. It was a combination of her voice and actions, making her into a slow, slurred speech buffoon for the amusement of viewers. The media is full of negative portrayals of mentally differently abled people. We don't need to have kids watching this come to associate these traits with something amusing. They're people. My Little Pony should not be a minstrel show. And thank you, those offended enjoy being called unreasonable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ableism
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