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 Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:21 pm
Illusive Man See, I'm right every once in a while.
Now, don't blow up the Collectors space station. ;D The day I trust Cerberus is the day genetically unaltered pigs fly in a snowstorm in the Bahamas during a solar eclipse. So never
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:39 pm
I will never understand that. Cerberus has great intentions with no red tape. You don't have to deal with the council or anything. And your crew, weapons, spaceship, LIFE, supplies, etc. were all supplied from Cerberus in order to destroy the collectors. You were never told were to go if you didn't want to, and you got all the support possible to accomplish missions.
So, what's to hate?
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:04 am
Illusive Man I will never understand that. Cerberus has great intentions with no red tape. You don't have to deal with the council or anything. And your crew, weapons, spaceship, LIFE, supplies, etc. were all supplied from Cerberus in order to destroy the collectors. You were never told were to go if you didn't want to, and you got all the support possible to accomplish missions.
So, what's to hate? reason number uno is that there gonna become enemys no matter and just when you think they wont..NAY cant turn on you thats when the illusive man is gonna walk up and attempt to kill you they may have brought you back to life, given you the normandy, let you do things your way, and spent billions scratch that MILLIONS on you but dont forget your an investment not a person to them, you are the means to an end so if shepards usefulness ends for even a month maybe less they will attempt to terminate you and if the Reapers make the illusive man an offer he can not refuse then you have gained a new enemy you see this piece of cake -> yum_strawberrypie imagine eating it then finding out it has been POISONED that is what Cerberus is gonna do to you in the end...minus the nice poison cake
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:27 am
I don't see what the fuss was about. It's a Beta. Look at all the other things that weren't finished or right. C'mon, relax. Besides, WREX AND GARRUS ON THE SAME SCREEN TALKING TO EACH OTHER! *ahem* Sorry.
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:24 pm
Illusive Man I will never understand that. Cerberus has great intentions with no red tape. You don't have to deal with the council or anything. And your crew, weapons, spaceship, LIFE, supplies, etc. were all supplied from Cerberus in order to destroy the collectors. You were never told were to go if you didn't want to, and you got all the support possible to accomplish missions.
So, what's to hate? There's this little business with the Thorian and Feros, the Thresher Maws on Akuze, what happened during Overlord, their attempt to control the Rachni, what happened to Admiral Kahoku and that's not getting into what happens in the books. Their hands are undeniably covered in blood. Intentions mean nothing on their own, it's what's done with those intentions that's important and shows what kind of person/organization you're dealing with. Cerberus believes the ends justify the means, I don't. I may get a nice ship, my life and my crew but giving me things doesn't guarantee trust or loyalty. It establishes a truce and involves me working with them but that doesn't make Cerberus an ally because I am unable to trust them. Plus the recent demos from ME3 have stated that Cerberus has been indoctrinated so not giving them the base is looking like a pretty good choice.
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:10 pm
NightsShades There's this little business with the Thorian and Feros, the Thresher Maws on Akuze, what happened during Overlord, their attempt to control the Rachni, what happened to Admiral Kahoku and that's not getting into what happens in the books. Their hands are undeniably covered in blood. Intentions mean nothing on their own, it's what's done with those intentions that's important and shows what kind of person/organization you're dealing with. Cerberus believes the ends justify the means, I don't. I may get a nice ship, my life and my crew but giving me things doesn't guarantee trust or loyalty. It establishes a truce and involves me working with them but that doesn't make Cerberus an ally because I am unable to trust them. Plus the recent demos from ME3 have stated that Cerberus has been indoctrinated so not giving them the base is looking like a pretty good choice.
I should have started this as a Cerberus debate thread rather than freaking about Mordin. whee
I've read so many theories regarding the alleged indoctrination of Cerberus, their decision to turn on Shepard, and even the original intent of the Collectors and why Cerberus felt the need to bring Shep back to deal with them. But here's one I'd like to put out there: What if TIM did put something into Shepard during reconstruction that wasn't part of the original Lazarus plans? It's well known by us (the fans) that Shep has some extra pieces, mechanical and cybernetic in nature, but what if there's a killswitch, or some extra bit TIM is holding off on activating until certain parameters are met? I sense a very shocking twist or two long before the Reapers ever sniff their impending doom... which is redundant, as they likely don't have noses nor typical organic sensory methods.
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:49 pm
"Don't presume to judge me, or my methods." - Illusive Man
And his studies into all those things and experiments were ways in order for Humanity to have a fighting chance against the Reapers. I do agree that the actions against Kahoku were unjust, however that was not of Illusive Man's doing.
And, what I do know is that it hasn't been confirmed that Cerberus is going to be your enemy depending on the choices that you made in the game. Meaning, that depending on what you did, it could possibly be avoided. Or, it could also be only a portion of Cerberus that is indoctrinated. Again, all the answers will be fleshed out in Mass Effect 3.
Personally, I love the Alliance, the ideas behind the Citadel, and all the Alien species. I enjoy my original squadmates from Mass Effect 2, and Legion is my pick for a best bud any day.
However, Cerberus took a lot of risk, used a lot of resources, and devoted a lot of faith, time, and lives in order to fight an enemy that the Council and the Alliance was privy to ignoring. If it wasn't for Cerberus and the Illusive Man, the Collectors would have built that Reaper and harvested Earth without much resistance. Sure, their methods might be extreme, but when you're fighting to survive you need to do anything possible in order to ensure continued survival.I don't think they'll put a kill switch inside someone they've called Humanity's Hero over and over again. And spent SO much money rebuilding only to shut off. Again, my opinion.
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:50 pm
I believe it is safe to say that we'll all be a little surprised by the events of ME3 for different reasons. Heck, with Bioware "revamping the story", we could all be shocked and awed by the many turns of events that may occur.
It's all speculation, and I love that we're all so invested in our ideas. Now if March 6th would just friggin' get here!!! scream
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:24 am
Illusive Man Yes Cerberus did good by reviving Shepard. Yes the Alliance and Council ignored the Reapers. Yes all those things (minus Kahoku) were meant to advance humanity and help stop the Reapers. I don't give TIM the pass on Kahoku though, its still his organization so he knew what was going to happen and I'll only buy the 'it was a rogue cell' excuse so many times. But that doesn't give them a free pass to do whatever the hell they feel is justified to meet either of those ends. Cerberus also probably didn't know about the Reapers until Shepard did at least so that doesn't give them a free pass on most of the stuff they did. Plus the goals they were founded on was the 'advancement of humanity' and to 'secure human dominance.' Securing human dominance could easily turn into subjugating all other races to ensure that humans are on top. There is a lot of room for abuse, as we have so clearly been shown, and I don't trust that they'll know when to draw the line
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:54 am
Kentasko I believe it may have been mentioned in another thread already, but after watching a playthrough of the ME3 beta campaign, courtesy of iGetsLucky on youtube, I had a chance to listen to Mordin, and I'm dead certain they changed the voice actor (Michael Beattie), which is a horrible way to go!
If anyone's willing to watch the vid, note that during combat, they're using a synthetic, robotic voice for filler until they've attained full dialogue, but in the cutscenes, it is obvious that Mordin has lost some of his quirky charm in the change. Again, it is only in the beta stage, and Bioware may have gotten wise and fixed the problem by rehiring Mr. Beattie, but we'll see in March.
Again, this video contains spoilers for the upcoming Mass Effect 3. Viewer discretion is advised.]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGjkSPSFlXE&feature=related NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:40 pm
Well, I've been trying to let go of the whole subject and believe that Beatie will come back and finish his work as Mordin, but after checking in at Internation Movie Database, I've found no evidence of Mordin's participation or mention of anyone filling in for his voice. Despite the fact, as per the video I presented and others in similar demonstrations, that Bioware has intended Mordin to be in ME3, this is just further evidence of greater tragedy. It just gets sadder and sadder. crying
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1839558/fullcredits#cast
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:51 pm
Kentasko Well, I've been trying to let go of the whole subject and believe that Beatie will come back and finish his work as Mordin, but after checking in at Internation Movie Database, I've found no evidence of Mordin's participation or mention of anyone filling in for his voice. Despite the fact, as per the video I presented and others in similar demonstrations, that Bioware has intended Mordin to be in ME3, this is just further evidence of greater tragedy. It just gets sadder and sadder. crying http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1839558/fullcredits#cast The IMDb is largely user updated. So the cast listing is going to be wonky until it's either dead certain or when the game launches. This sort of thing happens all the time. A good example is the cast list for Modern Warfare 3 before it came out. The listing would change roughly every day, having the cast consist of people from Harry Potter, the Twilight movies, and Bruce Willis was listed as a cast member for a bit as well.
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:56 pm
soren_alenko Kentasko Well, I've been trying to let go of the whole subject and believe that Beatie will come back and finish his work as Mordin, but after checking in at Internation Movie Database, I've found no evidence of Mordin's participation or mention of anyone filling in for his voice. Despite the fact, as per the video I presented and others in similar demonstrations, that Bioware has intended Mordin to be in ME3, this is just further evidence of greater tragedy. It just gets sadder and sadder. crying http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1839558/fullcredits#cast The IMDb is largely user updated. So the cast listing is going to be wonky until it's either dead certain or when the game launches. This sort of thing happens all the time. A good example is the cast list for Modern Warfare 3 before it came out. The listing would change roughly every day, having the cast consist of people from Harry Potter, the Twilight movies, and Bruce Willis was listed as a cast member for a bit as well.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:30 am
He IS my favourite character! I don't think there was ever a point in ME2, other than the beginning, when I didn't have Mordin in my team! If they ruin him, it will result in many hours of teenage angst and crying. l: I just watched the beta, and he seems so....bland....
....Yay for taking this way too seriously! 8D
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:12 pm
The Millennium Sunsquid He IS my favourite character! I don't think there was ever a point in ME2, other than the beginning, when I didn't have Mordin in my team! If they ruin him, it will result in many hours of teenage angst and crying. l: I just watched the beta, and he seems so....bland....
....Yay for taking this way too seriously! 8D
It's like trading out actors of a popular tv series between seasons (Spartacus, for example). Of course, I understand that sometimes it's not within the (voice)actors' power to fix such problems, but that doesn't mean we're any less upset by it. xp
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