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 Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:33 pm
C4D The insta-cannon ability for the nexus as it sits right now, does affect any target building of yours, and will HAVE to get a nerf. As it stands right now, protoss can go into their opponents base, drop an assimilator at 6 on their opponent's gas and instantly win which is not how blizzard wants the ability to be used, they want it to be a defensive ability to help toss deal with harassment. I would guess they will likely make it require a forge first, and then have it only targetable to buildings other than cannons, pylons and assimilators. well then it becomes worthless
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:37 pm
TheElvanGod C4D The insta-cannon ability for the nexus as it sits right now, does affect any target building of yours, and will HAVE to get a nerf. As it stands right now, protoss can go into their opponents base, drop an assimilator at 6 on their opponent's gas and instantly win which is not how blizzard wants the ability to be used, they want it to be a defensive ability to help toss deal with harassment. I would guess they will likely make it require a forge first, and then have it only targetable to buildings other than cannons, pylons and assimilators. well then it becomes worthless Not really. Zerg pushing you? Drop some cannons on gateways near the front while defending. Terran bioball coming? Same thing. Banshee in your base and your stalkers are too far? Bam, banshee defense. Mutas? Bam, muta defense. I think it should require a forge, or maybe a cyber core first.
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:54 pm
i think a pylon at most, It only does 5 damage after all (20 to light)
because of that 20, it makes it feel like it was made to help defend against a 6 pool or 2 gate pressure or other forms of cheese.
I really don't see it being useless against banshees. it would take 27 hits to kill one (if my math is correct) and normally they have 2 or 3.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:29 am
TheElvanGod i think a pylon at most, It only does 5 damage after all (20 to light) because of that 20, it makes it feel like it was made to help defend against a 6 pool or 2 gate pressure or other forms of cheese. I really don't see it being useless against banshees. it would take 27 hits to kill one (if my math is correct) and normally they have 2 or 3. I'm assuming you meant "useful" instead of "useless" Aren't banshees light? You're saying they have 540 hp? o.O It should take ~7 hits then, no?
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:04 pm
The thing is, they want it used as an early to mid game solution for protoss to defend better against harass, things like mutas, lings, hellions and the like will be forced away by the correct use of this ability, giving toss a little more room to make mistakes with positioning and something to spend their nexus energy on other than Chrono Boost, also the mass recall will be good for this as well.
But as things stand right now, it definitely needs a nerf so that it can only target certain buildings, like I said, not pylons, cannons or assimilators, and should require forge first. Otherwise the ability will be used offensively and not defensively as intended.
Imagine losing to a double gas steal at 8 or 9 food, or if instead of rushing with cannons, they just rush with pylons (50 minerals - forge cheaper.)
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:47 pm
C4D The thing is, they want it used as an early to mid game solution for protoss to defend better against harass, things like mutas, lings, hellions and the like will be forced away by the correct use of this ability, giving toss a little more room to make mistakes with positioning and something to spend their nexus energy on other than Chrono Boost, also the mass recall will be good for this as well. But as things stand right now, it definitely needs a nerf so that it can only target certain buildings, like I said, not pylons, cannons or assimilators, and should require forge first. Otherwise the ability will be used offensively and not defensively as intended. Imagine losing to a double gas steal at 8 or 9 food, or if instead of rushing with cannons, they just rush with pylons (50 minerals - forge cheaper.) Yeah, but in order to do that, they'll probably need to make building types for it. I agree though.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:03 pm
Onos TheElvanGod i think a pylon at most, It only does 5 damage after all (20 to light) because of that 20, it makes it feel like it was made to help defend against a 6 pool or 2 gate pressure or other forms of cheese. I really don't see it being useless against banshees. it would take 27 hits to kill one (if my math is correct) and normally they have 2 or 3. I'm assuming you meant "useful" instead of "useless" Aren't banshees light? You're saying they have 540 hp? o.O It should take ~7 hits then, no? Banshees are light? huh, learn something new everyday! But they included this to defend against rushes, also, did Blizzard say they had a detector on them? I honestly do not remember
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:48 pm
TheElvanGod Onos TheElvanGod i think a pylon at most, It only does 5 damage after all (20 to light) because of that 20, it makes it feel like it was made to help defend against a 6 pool or 2 gate pressure or other forms of cheese. I really don't see it being useless against banshees. it would take 27 hits to kill one (if my math is correct) and normally they have 2 or 3. I'm assuming you meant "useful" instead of "useless" Aren't banshees light? You're saying they have 540 hp? o.O It should take ~7 hits then, no? Banshees are light? huh, learn something new everyday! But they included this to defend against rushes, also, did Blizzard say they had a detector on them? I honestly do not remember Yeah, I thought they were armored until I saw a pvt where a phoenix utterly wrecked a banshee rush because phoenix do extra vs light.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:54 pm
Onos TheElvanGod Onos TheElvanGod i think a pylon at most, It only does 5 damage after all (20 to light) because of that 20, it makes it feel like it was made to help defend against a 6 pool or 2 gate pressure or other forms of cheese. I really don't see it being useless against banshees. it would take 27 hits to kill one (if my math is correct) and normally they have 2 or 3. I'm assuming you meant "useful" instead of "useless" Aren't banshees light? You're saying they have 540 hp? o.O It should take ~7 hits then, no? Banshees are light? huh, learn something new everyday! But they included this to defend against rushes, also, did Blizzard say they had a detector on them? I honestly do not remember Yeah, I thought they were armored until I saw a pvt where a phoenix utterly wrecked a banshee rush because phoenix do extra vs light. Ahh, then maybe all is not in vain, but still, do they have a detector? PS what league are you? you strike me as a low to mid master
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:33 pm
TheElvanGod Onos TheElvanGod Onos TheElvanGod i think a pylon at most, It only does 5 damage after all (20 to light) because of that 20, it makes it feel like it was made to help defend against a 6 pool or 2 gate pressure or other forms of cheese. I really don't see it being useless against banshees. it would take 27 hits to kill one (if my math is correct) and normally they have 2 or 3. I'm assuming you meant "useful" instead of "useless" Aren't banshees light? You're saying they have 540 hp? o.O It should take ~7 hits then, no? Banshees are light? huh, learn something new everyday! But they included this to defend against rushes, also, did Blizzard say they had a detector on them? I honestly do not remember Yeah, I thought they were armored until I saw a pvt where a phoenix utterly wrecked a banshee rush because phoenix do extra vs light. Ahh, then maybe all is not in vain, but still, do they have a detector? PS what league are you? you strike me as a low to mid master When I'm at my best, I stomp the s**t out of my league. Sadly, I am not usually at my best, and make one fatal flaw most games. So I'm stuck in gold. Most of it was because I'd play on and off. But slowly, day by day, I'm getting better overall. I personally think I should be in at least plat, more so diamond. But alas, I try stupid things, counter incorrectly, spend resources wrong, or supply block myself at wrong times unless I'm near or at my perfect game. I've been getting overall better though. I know the knowledge, just implementing it in game is another thing. =/
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:48 pm
Onos TheElvanGod Onos TheElvanGod Onos TheElvanGod i think a pylon at most, It only does 5 damage after all (20 to light) because of that 20, it makes it feel like it was made to help defend against a 6 pool or 2 gate pressure or other forms of cheese. I really don't see it being useless against banshees. it would take 27 hits to kill one (if my math is correct) and normally they have 2 or 3. I'm assuming you meant "useful" instead of "useless" Aren't banshees light? You're saying they have 540 hp? o.O It should take ~7 hits then, no? Banshees are light? huh, learn something new everyday! But they included this to defend against rushes, also, did Blizzard say they had a detector on them? I honestly do not remember Yeah, I thought they were armored until I saw a pvt where a phoenix utterly wrecked a banshee rush because phoenix do extra vs light. Ahh, then maybe all is not in vain, but still, do they have a detector? PS what league are you? you strike me as a low to mid master When I'm at my best, I stomp the s**t out of my league. Sadly, I am not usually at my best, and make one fatal flaw most games. So I'm stuck in gold. Most of it was because I'd play on and off. But slowly, day by day, I'm getting better overall. I personally think I should be in at least plat, more so diamond. But alas, I try stupid things, counter incorrectly, spend resources wrong, or supply block myself at wrong times unless I'm near or at my perfect game. I've been getting overall better though. I know the knowledge, just implementing it in game is another thing. =/ i know that feeling, I am silver, been facing golds since practically. I feel myself to be at least high gold or low plat. I haven't played my season 4 match yet, we'll see how that goes biggrin
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:30 pm
Nexus cannon does not detect btw.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:36 pm
C4D Nexus cannon does not detect btw. I think it would be a bit much if it did. Considering the fact you should have cannons near your mineral lines/important structures if they have cloak/large harass. Protoss also have cheap observers that cost 1 food. Then again, Terran have scan. So being able to put a detector on a building wouldn't be that big of a deal.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:47 pm
Onos C4D Nexus cannon does not detect btw. I think it would be a bit much if it did. Considering the fact you should have cannons near your mineral lines/important structures if they have cloak/large harass. Protoss also have cheap observers that cost 1 food. Then again, Terran have scan. So being able to put a detector on a building wouldn't be that big of a deal. then you just killed yoru banshee argument you had with me then
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:07 pm
TheElvanGod Onos C4D Nexus cannon does not detect btw. I think it would be a bit much if it did. Considering the fact you should have cannons near your mineral lines/important structures if they have cloak/large harass. Protoss also have cheap observers that cost 1 food. Then again, Terran have scan. So being able to put a detector on a building wouldn't be that big of a deal. then you just killed yoru banshee argument you had with me then Why? If they rush cloak, you should have been able to scout it. Make observers/cannons and you're fine. <_<
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