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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:58 pm
You get whatever the RNG goddess decides to give you. You can have amazing units, or you can have rather awful units. It all depends on how things turn out. On average though, they're pretty good.
Ewan -> Druid
Amelia -> General
Ross -> Berserker
Because you only have one knight, one shaman, and one berserker in game if you don't go this promotion route. You have plenty of cavalry units and a bunch of potential sage units too (Moulder and Artur can both become Sages if you so felt like it, even though I personally think they're better as Bishops for the boosts against monsters).
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:59 pm
Hmm. Oh. Damn. I forgot to take one very important system into account >.> The fact that all stats are generated on a percentage basis each level. My complete apologies to everyone here. Maybe I just have had much better luck with him. I dunno. Either way, I will try to make him a druid next time I play through, see what happens.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:16 am
Nomad Rath ...Why bother making him a mage at all, when you've got Lute, who you've had a long while before him, and is so not lesser than him? You also have Saleh who is also not lesser than him. Ewan is way behind and as a trainee class, is even more way behind- I'll let FD come in here and properly rant about him. Ewan would be the only early on dark magic user you can get in the game. Seriously, Rath. I love you. But before I get into my Ewan rant, I'm going to throw out some other information and my opinion on some topics. Some falls in line with what some people have said, while some falls in line with others. -To begin with, suggesting Trainee units will turn out better than everyone else because they have more levels to grow is a fallacy. They also have lower growths than many other units to balance this out. If anything, Trainee units are just more variable. -Oh, and the 'Official Guides' published for Fire Emblem games are quite frequently trash. I happen to have the one for FE8 (a purchase I regret), and after hearing the blasphemies articulated in the FE10 guide from Amelia, they're better off avoided. They're just so incompetent. The fact that they don't provide concrete growth rates is your first sign not to trust them. Guides try to say nice things about virtually every character. That's not the truth of a situation, though. -Amelia works perfectly fine as a Paladin. As a matter of fact, on the rare occasions that I use her, I tend to have her go that route, too. Or her Super Recruit (proto-Halberdier) class (the only instance in which she becomes a REAL crit-master). Paladins were nerfed in FE8, but it's hardly a meaningful nerf. So they don't have FULL weapon triangle control. Two weapons is still more than sufficient. It's more a matter of play style than her being unarguably better off in one class than another. I frequently plow through chapters in as few turns as reasonably possible, ergo, I'm more likely to have Amelia go Cavalier before Knight (boots go to Tethys for me). If you want a more powerful unit that doesn't have mount-utility, feel free to go General, but one isn't infinitely greater than the other in her case. She's arguably the only trainee unit which this is the case for (because Berserker is a lot better than Warrior overall, I'd argue. Bows are 'meh'). -You really don't need tanks in FE8, and even if you wanted some, the Great Knight class made traditional Generals obsolete in many instances as far as that goes. That's not to say Generals are bad. Just that FE8 being the easiest game in the series has numerous implications. -This ties into the Paladin nerf. Weapon Triangle Advantages aren't NEEDED. Nice to have, but not needed in most instances. Saying you need a Dark Magic user in order to handle a high-level enemy Sage is silly. Your own Sage will do just fine, more than likely. This is why Ewan's Super Pupil class and Sanaki's Empress class are crap when compared with other magic classes that have fewer magic types available but have staff-utility. - Also connecting to previous points, FE =/= Pokemon. It isn't immediately harmful to you in the same manner to stack units with the same weapon types. If you don't happen to have any Axe users in a particular playthrough, life goes on. It isn't even harmful to have a bunch of units of the same class. Take FE6 and Swordmasters/Beserkers. Better yet, take FE8 Bishops. If it's broken, exploit it. If it has something you like having lots of, feel free to use it (Paladin-Amelia, for example). -Amelia having a B-support with Neimi does not take her Crit from 20% to 50-60%. It would take it to 30%. Know your formulas. Incidentally, ignoring crit boosts from weapons, Amelia can reach the highest natural crit level in the game (Super Recruit only) at an impressive 55% between her capping Skill (which she'll need items for, most likely), her class boost, and proper supports. Joshua can only reach 54% because Swordmasters have a lower Skill cap. Weird (of course, Joshua will hit his Skill cap without item boosters while Amelia won't hit hers so easily - in this class). -Lastly, there's no such thing as putting Seth to shame. FE-BLASPHEMY. He's the best unit in the game, objectively speaking. Ewan rant coming this evening. I think I'll make it my most comprehensive to date.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:02 am
Maybe it's just my own files in general, but all three trainees seem to have a HUGE luck growth compared to some of their other counterparts. I'm not entirely sure what that counts for, but having a LOT of luck is better than having none (Knoll, I'm looking at you.)
Ewan is the hardest to get to survive, and Ross is the easiest to train. Amelia's always been in the middle for me. I have to say that Lute and/or Saleh are both enough in the Sage department though.
Ewan is a good Druid if you wanna put the effort into him, but when I was just doing a no-tower map-skirmish only run, I had him benched. He's just too fragile.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:18 pm
I really like that rant post. Woo hoo to that.
But I just tend to see Amelia as a better paladin that Seth. But that is an opinion. Im really looking forward to your next post now ^_^
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:48 pm
I don't use Amelia that often so I don't have an opinion.
Ross has always been a good unit but he seems like hes best as a Berserker for me. Not to mention he can be promoted by chapter 5 if you use him enough.
Ewan always becomes one of my best units. I don't think that just because he comes in late should make one not want to use him.
Well all of them are easy to train once your at the tower. Then its like do the first floor once and then that unit is promoted. When they are a trainee that is.
Seth is defenitly realible. In the first fog mission I think its called "Victims of war" I can send Seth in alone and he'll take down all the units that attack him and kill the boss before the people get killed by the gaint spiders.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:01 pm
I personally love the Recruit/Trainee/Pupil classes. They were always some of my favorite characters not only for their amazing turn arounds in strength, but also their personalities in general.
My Personal Set up for them:
Ewan: Druid (the only Dark Magic User I use)
Ross: Warrior (respect the Bows bro)
Amelia: General (Hahaha, you miss and I rape)
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:29 pm
battosai matt I don't use Amelia that often so I don't have an opinion. Ross has always been a good unit but he seems like hes best as a Berserker for me. Not to mention he can be promoted by chapter 5 if you use him enough. Ewan always becomes one of my best units. I don't think that just because he comes in late should make one not want to use him. Well all of them are easy to train once your at the tower. Then its like do the first floor once and then that unit is promoted. When they are a trainee that is. Seth is defenitly realible. In the first fog mission I think its called "Victims of war" I can send Seth in alone and he'll take down all the units that attack him and kill the boss before the people get killed by the gaint spiders. Ha ha. Im not sure if he was this good by then but I am pretty sure he was. Any ways, if that is the level after the one where you get the ocean seal, then by then I had Colm into a Rogue and had him murder everything. Colm gets ridiculously overpowered as a Rogue. >.> If its before that, then I probably used Seth much like you.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:43 pm
raozspaz battosai matt I don't use Amelia that often so I don't have an opinion. Ross has always been a good unit but he seems like hes best as a Berserker for me. Not to mention he can be promoted by chapter 5 if you use him enough. Ewan always becomes one of my best units. I don't think that just because he comes in late should make one not want to use him. Well all of them are easy to train once your at the tower. Then its like do the first floor once and then that unit is promoted. When they are a trainee that is. Seth is defenitly realible. In the first fog mission I think its called "Victims of war" I can send Seth in alone and he'll take down all the units that attack him and kill the boss before the people get killed by the gaint spiders. Ha ha. Im not sure if he was this good by then but I am pretty sure he was. Any ways, if that is the level after the one where you get the ocean seal, then by then I had Colm into a Rogue and had him murder everything. Colm gets ridiculously overpowered as a Rogue. >.> If its before that, then I probably used Seth much like you. Thats what I usally do. However I wanted to have Ross be something I haven't had him be before so I had to be careful with Colm's lockpick. But by the time I got my first Master Seal He had mybe 2-3 uses left.
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:25 pm
I prefer ross over the 3 because He can become a pirate which is really useful in the stages with large bodies of water, that and my favorite weapon class in all of the games is the axe, i mean it if i have an axe user at hand he'll be freaking strong by the time im done with him, I also recently got FE 6 the sealed sword on my computer so ive been playing that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:18 pm
Actually I've been replaying FE:8 a lot recently, mainly to get all of the support convesations, and I've realized Ewan doesn't come in that late. If you play on Ephraim's story he comes in at I think ch. 13 which is only about 2-3 chapers after Amelia. I don't remeber what chapter it is for his sister but that may be why it seems like it takes awhile to get him.
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:31 pm
battosai matt Actually I've been replaying FE:8 a lot recently, mainly to get all of the support convesations, and I've realized Ewan doesn't come in that late. If you play on Ephraim's story he comes in at I think ch. 13 which is only about 2-3 chapers after Amelia. I don't remeber what chapter it is for his sister but that may be why it seems like it takes awhile to get him. Amelia comes in Chapter 9. Ewan comes in chapter 13. Counting Chapter 9, itself, Amelia comes four chapters sooner. And you'd be correct in saying Ewan doesn't come all that late overall in the course in the game. But he comes extremely late for what his stats are in comparison to those of your other units by that point in the game to such an extent that it's arguably not worth bothering with him. To put it into a more encompassing perspective, Chapter 15, just two chapters after Ewan joins, is usually the point at which people who aren't abusing towers or skirmishes promote the bulk of their units. That's how far behind Ewan is. With such a distance between him and all your other units (such as a very fierce promoted Lute or Artur, also possibly Natasha or Moulder) there doesn't seem to be any reason to use him. He certainly doesn't provide anything unique or worth the effort it would require to integrate him into the party. I mean, after that desert chapter where your units should be promoting, you enter the final leg of the game and Ewan hardly contributes. Your entire party should be moving faster than him by that point (but they've been doing that the entire time since he starts with 4 movement instead of 5) and you have to slow down to keep him incorporated. I'd honestly rather use Nino (and people know how I feel about using her). At least she comes with 5 movement and a C rank in Anima to access Thunder and Elfire (Thunder is definitely the way to go, though) and has those insane growths that she does. Just using Amelia is sort of pushing it, but at least she's sort of capable of being integrated into the party (being able to promote to a Cavalier with all that movement really helps).
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:03 pm
Manic Martini battosai matt Actually I've been replaying FE:8 a lot recently, mainly to get all of the support convesations, and I've realized Ewan doesn't come in that late. If you play on Ephraim's story he comes in at I think ch. 13 which is only about 2-3 chapers after Amelia. I don't remeber what chapter it is for his sister but that may be why it seems like it takes awhile to get him. Amelia comes in Chapter 9. Ewan comes in chapter 13. Counting Chapter 9, itself, Amelia comes four chapters sooner. And you'd be correct in saying Ewan doesn't come all that late overall in the course in the game. But he comes extremely late for what his stats are in comparison to those of your other units by that point in the game to such an extent that it's arguably not worth bothering with him. To put it into a more encompassing perspective, Chapter 15, just two chapters after Ewan joins, is usually the point at which people who aren't abusing towers or skirmishes promote the bulk of their units. That's how far behind Ewan is. With such a distance between him and all your other units (such as a very fierce promoted Lute or Artur, also possibly Natasha or Moulder) there doesn't seem to be any reason to use him. He certainly doesn't provide anything unique or worth the effort it would require to integrate him into the party. I mean, after that desert chapter where your units should be promoting, you enter the final leg of the game and Ewan hardly contributes. Your entire party should be moving faster than him by that point (but they've been doing that the entire time since he starts with 4 movement instead of 5) and you have to slow down to keep him incorporated. I'd honestly rather use Nino (and people know how I feel about using her). At least she comes with 5 movement and a C rank in Anima to access Thunder and Elfire (Thunder is definitely the way to go, though) and has those insane growths that she does. Just using Amelia is sort of pushing it, but at least she's sort of capable of being integrated into the party (being able to promote to a Cavalier with all that movement really helps). Well doing the tower just once and letting Ewan get all of the kills will have him already promoted and thats not to long. So it doesn't take long. So I gusse its not much of a problem for me. I thought by comes in late, I though you ment him being playable. Nino? Sorry I've only played 3 FE games: Radiant Dawn, Sacred Stones, and Shadow Dragon.
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