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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:44 pm
It is a joke, and dig at intelligent design and to an extent, theism in general. These people aren't really worshiping anything. It's not a religion or a spiritual path. It's a game. So it really doesn't make any sense to equate it with real paths and such.
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:48 pm
Qianlong CalledTheRaven Oh dear. I'm going to hope that you understand the Flying Spaghetti Monster at least?
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:50 pm
CalledTheRaven It is a joke, and dig at intelligent design and to an extent, theism in general. These people aren't really worshiping anything. It's not a religion or a spiritual path. It's a game. So it really doesn't make any sense to equate it with real paths and such. You obviously missed the point I made. If I can create new religions by flip flopping how can it be a serious religion? I don't have that answer please give me one.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:08 am
then your point was made badly. The followers of Satanism in all its forms take it seriously so it is a "serious" path. Whether you agree or approve of its origins or message is irrelevant. It is still valid and real. The FSM and Pastafarianism is a joke and everybody knows it so there is no correlation.
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:16 am
CalledTheRaven then your point was made badly. The followers of Satanism in all its forms take it seriously so it is a "serious" path. Whether you agree or approve of its origins or message is irrelevant. It is still valid and real. The FSM and Pastafarianism is a joke and everybody knows it so there is no correlation.
Your answer does not satisfy my question at all. if you are so determined to defend your answer, why haven't you provided better factual evidence?
Satanism according to an earlier post in this forum by a fervent follower stated it could be manipulated and flipped flopped from other other religions such as Christianity, if a belief can be changed and manipulated multiple times then yes I can correlate it to a satirical an sensationalist order.
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:44 pm
I don't need to prove it's reality or validity. That's the point. It's valid for those who follow it. FSM has no "order". It has fans. And the earlier poster was not saying Satanism could be flip flopped. They were trying to explain the meaning and origin of the symbolism it uses. And I'm done with you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:04 pm
CalledTheRaven I don't need to prove it's reality or validity. That's the point. It's valid for those who follow it. FSM has no "order". It has fans. And the earlier poster was not saying Satanism could be flip flopped. They were trying to explain the meaning and origin of the symbolism it uses. And I'm done with you.
( do not take offense.) You may believe in what you like, I simply will not view your religion as very spiritual or profoundly faithful. It seems to me rather more like a club of individuals with similar perspectives gathered together for fun.
Good luck! rolleyes
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:10 pm
FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster, the thing that was invented to mock intelligent design. Not Satanism.
Are you even reading my posts? I never said anything about being a Satanist or a Pastafarian. What are you talking about?
Basically, you have made up you mind and no discussion of any kind will move you in the slightest so I am done.
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:21 pm
CalledTheRaven FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster, the thing that was invented to mock intelligent design. Not Satanism. Are you even reading my posts? I never said anything about being a Satanist or a Pastafarian. What are you talking about? Basically, you have made up you mind and no discussion of any kind will move you in the slightest so I am done.
You have very good defense mechanisms. you are right. my mind is already set.
But still good luck.
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:32 pm
Qianlong Satanism is not a religion, but instead it is a group dedicated to oppose religion through "Satanic Worship" and rituals. The University of Thin-Air taught you well, didn't it? Satanism is the idea that humans are "gods" because they have a profound effect on their world, themselves, and others to the point where they can almost completely manipulate it to their needs and desires. Theistic Satanism teaches that Satan is the Lucifer (or morning-star, the name afforded both to King Nebuchadnezzar II of Mesopotamia and Jesus in the Bible) and that God is evil. Qianlong So it falls under the label of "Cult." A cult is an obscure belief not well known by the public. Qianlong There are less than 10,000 Satanists today in the U.S Proof? Qianlong ( I personally believe that satanist individuals have low self-esteems and join the cult to feel a sense of belonging. Funny, that's why most Christians turn to Christ. Qianlong Also, they feel powerful or capable of conveying fear to Christians, however i will refer back to my point; They are this way NOT because they love Satan or believe they are truly evil, but instead they are a reflection of their own insecurities and low self-worth in modern society.) Wow, you don't stop lying, do you? First, no Satanist that I've ever met wants to convey fear, feel powerful, etc. or feel that they can. Second, Satanists don't believe they're evil; LaVeyan Satanists don't even believe in Satan and therefore cannot believe in or love him and theistic satanists believe it is God that is evil, and therefore consider themselves good. Third, again, isn't a reflection of insecurity and low self-worth a primary teaching of most sects of Christianity? That you are not worthy of Heaven unless you give your life to Jesus? Qianlong ( So the purpose of Satanism is very infantile and mirrors an individual's internal problems to adjust or live happily.) What's wrong with that? Qianlong So I will say that a Satanist is not a positive person, nor lives a open and happy life, because his or her set of beliefs contradict happiness by worshiping a diety that stands for destruction and hopelessness. Except most Satanists don't worship or believe in Satan. And theistic satanists believe Satan is good and brings peace, prosperity, happiness, and love to the world. Qianlong Therefore a satanist is a depressed, hopeless, pessimistic, and vulnerable to his or herself through psychological mechanisms that prevent a healthy mind. Actually, my Satanist friends -- that is, those who are theistic satanists -- are happier than most Christians I've seen, including myself.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:07 am
my good friend is LeVayan.
he protects the weak, including children, animals, and the underprivileged.
he delights in using his skepticism to skwer the pretentions of organized righteousness.
i admire him.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:42 pm
There's certainly satanic cults based off low self-esteem, teen rebellions, etc. Personally I think these groups are completely laughable and they need to get a hold of themselves.
There's also the laveyan crap of "no, we're nice kids that kiss little babies and save puppies". You get into anything real though, and you have the virgin sacrifices, demonic possessions, and true devil-worship.
Each of these is really only bound together by everyone else using the same name.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:59 pm
i spose it depends on the variety of Satanism?
leVeyans are pretty numerous, and they have rituals and values (seem sort of humanistic to me) but old Anton was mostly thumbing his nose at the establishment, i feel, and it seems many of his followers primarily like to do that as well.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:20 pm
Qianlong If that is the case why would they go on labeling themselves "satanist" if they are atheist. Satan represents malignity, to say it is a cultivation of the self is a contradiction to their label. Look up at Anton La Vey, he clearly lead a group that dedicated a worship to Satan. It is misleading to identify oneself a Satanist. It sends the wrong message to the Major religions of Islam Christianity and Judaism. : biggrin isclaimer:: I SPEEK ONLY FOR MYSELF AS A LAVEYAN SATANIST, OTHER BRANCHES AND FORMS OF SATANISM MAY HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS. OTHER LAVEYAN SATANISTS MAY ALSO NOT SHARE MY INTERPRETATION OF LAVEY'S TEACHINGS. Anton LaVey didn't just Lead a group dedicated to worshiping Satan. He wrote the Satanic Bible and founded the Church of Satan. Yes, I worship Satan. No, I do Not worship the Judeo-Christ-Islamic devil.(who are very different litterary characters btw.) The Idea of what the Christian devil represents: self-reliance, personal power, freedom, indulgence etc. these are concepts sacred to the Satanist. These are the fundementals of the religion. I don't worship a guy with horns and a pitchfork, I worship the ideals represented by and asociated with that chraracter. I will admit that the religion is, by its nature particularily antagonistic towards Christians.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:31 pm
chessiejo i spose it depends on the variety of Satanism? leVeyans are pretty numerous, and they have rituals and values (seem sort of humanistic to me) but old Anton was mostly thumbing his nose at the establishment, i feel, and it seems many of his followers primarily like to do that as well. He actualy mentions that the basic values are Humanistic in the second book of the satanic bible (The Book of Lucifer, "Some Evidence of A New Satanic Age", page 50, 2nd paragraph.) and then procedes to explain the reason he chose to name the religion Satanism rahter than something less blatant. One key difference being that we do have ritual and dogma where Humanism does not. Yeah, I guess we do tend tho thumb our respective noses at establishment, just a little smile .
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