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 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:57 pm
Calelith Azkeel Who said they don't have freewill? They would be sentient beings thus having a form of free will. A servant however can rebel against their master.
The Bible has stated that angels have no free will. They're designed for a specific task and once that task is done they disappear.
They're not servants either, they're just beings that do what God tells them to do. It's also rather hard for angels to rebel when the leader that lead them to rebel is still in Heaven.
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
Could you post scripture on that please?
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:59 pm
Azkeel X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X Azkeel Demons are angels that have chosen to go against God the creator. But if they have no free will, how could they choose this? Who said they don't have freewill? They would be sentient beings thus having a form of free will. A servant however can rebel against their master. So Demons are Fallen Angels... but if they come back to Earth, they still aren't coming from above, thus not making them Aliens. Alien is a word used to describe something that's foreign. Humans can be aliens. If we want to get into it we should call them extra-terrestrials. And an angel would be known as a messenger but they are considered a creation thus making them an extra-terrestrial as well. There are plenty of Holy scriptures through out human kind describing what we consider to be an alien. Even a fiery chariot from the sky. Could that not just as simply be a UFO they just didn't have to words to describe it then. Angels are considered spiritual creatures but did they not show up in fleshly form (Appearing as human) in let's say the story of Lot in the torah? But in other parts of scripture they show up as creatures of light. Which would be easier for people to swallow now a days; saying there are angels visiting us all the time or saying there are aliens. Because if they are angels wouldn't that just throw all the anti-religious people out? And governments love to be secular. And if we considered them as an angel over an alien they can preach things and we'd be better able to discern their message as to if they were speaking a truth or if they were speaking lies. If they're just aliens we'd believe everything they say because we'd consider them far more advanced and we'd easily go along with any plans they had set up; like say a system for buying and selling with a mark. But if we considered them angels trying to do this, we'd consider them demons. So... Demons are Aliens and so are Angels and so is anything that's foreign. But the other guy said Aliens didn't exist because God only created us. So.... now what? Can you summarize the whole second paragraph because you either said the same thing over and over or my mind stops working at 12.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:02 pm
X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X But if they have no free will, how could they choose this? Who said they don't have freewill? They would be sentient beings thus having a form of free will. A servant however can rebel against their master. So Demons are Fallen Angels... but if they come back to Earth, they still aren't coming from above, thus not making them Aliens. Alien is a word used to describe something that's foreign. Humans can be aliens. If we want to get into it we should call them extra-terrestrials. And an angel would be known as a messenger but they are considered a creation thus making them an extra-terrestrial as well. There are plenty of Holy scriptures through out human kind describing what we consider to be an alien. Even a fiery chariot from the sky. Could that not just as simply be a UFO they just didn't have to words to describe it then. Angels are considered spiritual creatures but did they not show up in fleshly form (Appearing as human) in let's say the story of Lot in the torah? But in other parts of scripture they show up as creatures of light. Which would be easier for people to swallow now a days; saying there are angels visiting us all the time or saying there are aliens. Because if they are angels wouldn't that just throw all the anti-religious people out? And governments love to be secular. And if we considered them as an angel over an alien they can preach things and we'd be better able to discern their message as to if they were speaking a truth or if they were speaking lies. If they're just aliens we'd believe everything they say because we'd consider them far more advanced and we'd easily go along with any plans they had set up; like say a system for buying and selling with a mark. But if we considered them angels trying to do this, we'd consider them demons. So... Demons are Aliens and so are Angels and so is anything that's foreign. But the other guy said Aliens didn't exist because God only created us. So.... now what? Can you summarize the whole second paragraph because you either said the same thing over and over or my mind stops working at 12. The second paragraph is essentially the conspiracy as to why they would call them angels vs. aliens.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:03 pm
Azkeel Calelith Azkeel Who said they don't have freewill? They would be sentient beings thus having a form of free will. A servant however can rebel against their master.
The Bible has stated that angels have no free will. They're designed for a specific task and once that task is done they disappear.
They're not servants either, they're just beings that do what God tells them to do. It's also rather hard for angels to rebel when the leader that lead them to rebel is still in Heaven.
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
Could you post scripture on that please?
I'm sorry that was Islamic that stated that angels have no free will.
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:06 pm
Calelith Azkeel Calelith Azkeel Who said they don't have freewill? They would be sentient beings thus having a form of free will. A servant however can rebel against their master.
The Bible has stated that angels have no free will. They're designed for a specific task and once that task is done they disappear.
They're not servants either, they're just beings that do what God tells them to do. It's also rather hard for angels to rebel when the leader that lead them to rebel is still in Heaven.
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
Could you post scripture on that please?
I'm sorry that was Islamic that stated that angels have no free will.
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
Alrighty no problem. Could you post that scripture here though? I'm curious as to what it says.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:07 pm
Azkeel X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X But if they have no free will, how could they choose this? Who said they don't have freewill? They would be sentient beings thus having a form of free will. A servant however can rebel against their master. So Demons are Fallen Angels... but if they come back to Earth, they still aren't coming from above, thus not making them Aliens. Alien is a word used to describe something that's foreign. Humans can be aliens. If we want to get into it we should call them extra-terrestrials. And an angel would be known as a messenger but they are considered a creation thus making them an extra-terrestrial as well. There are plenty of Holy scriptures through out human kind describing what we consider to be an alien. Even a fiery chariot from the sky. Could that not just as simply be a UFO they just didn't have to words to describe it then. Angels are considered spiritual creatures but did they not show up in fleshly form (Appearing as human) in let's say the story of Lot in the torah? But in other parts of scripture they show up as creatures of light. Which would be easier for people to swallow now a days; saying there are angels visiting us all the time or saying there are aliens. Because if they are angels wouldn't that just throw all the anti-religious people out? And governments love to be secular. And if we considered them as an angel over an alien they can preach things and we'd be better able to discern their message as to if they were speaking a truth or if they were speaking lies. If they're just aliens we'd believe everything they say because we'd consider them far more advanced and we'd easily go along with any plans they had set up; like say a system for buying and selling with a mark. But if we considered them angels trying to do this, we'd consider them demons. So... Demons are Aliens and so are Angels and so is anything that's foreign. But the other guy said Aliens didn't exist because God only created us. So.... now what? Can you summarize the whole second paragraph because you either said the same thing over and over or my mind stops working at 12. The second paragraph is essentially the conspiracy as to why they would call them angels vs. aliens. Okay. Thanks.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:08 pm
X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X So Demons are Fallen Angels... but if they come back to Earth, they still aren't coming from above, thus not making them Aliens. Alien is a word used to describe something that's foreign. Humans can be aliens. If we want to get into it we should call them extra-terrestrials. And an angel would be known as a messenger but they are considered a creation thus making them an extra-terrestrial as well. There are plenty of Holy scriptures through out human kind describing what we consider to be an alien. Even a fiery chariot from the sky. Could that not just as simply be a UFO they just didn't have to words to describe it then. Angels are considered spiritual creatures but did they not show up in fleshly form (Appearing as human) in let's say the story of Lot in the torah? But in other parts of scripture they show up as creatures of light. Which would be easier for people to swallow now a days; saying there are angels visiting us all the time or saying there are aliens. Because if they are angels wouldn't that just throw all the anti-religious people out? And governments love to be secular. And if we considered them as an angel over an alien they can preach things and we'd be better able to discern their message as to if they were speaking a truth or if they were speaking lies. If they're just aliens we'd believe everything they say because we'd consider them far more advanced and we'd easily go along with any plans they had set up; like say a system for buying and selling with a mark. But if we considered them angels trying to do this, we'd consider them demons. So... Demons are Aliens and so are Angels and so is anything that's foreign. But the other guy said Aliens didn't exist because God only created us. So.... now what? Can you summarize the whole second paragraph because you either said the same thing over and over or my mind stops working at 12. The second paragraph is essentially the conspiracy as to why they would call them angels vs. aliens. Okay. Thanks. Sorry; I know I can talk like mo jo jojo once in awhile. haha
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:09 pm
Azkeel Alrighty no problem. Could you post that scripture here though? I'm curious as to what it says.
I'm currently unable to find the scripture but as soon as I find it, I will post it.
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Currently best thing I can find
Quote: Chapter 18, verse 50 Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": they bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him and his progeny as protectors rather then Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers! So you see, when Allah made the jinns, he gave them free-will, ie Iblis disobeying Allah because of his pride in himself. (Angels, no free will, must always obey). But He knew that Iblis would disobey and He knew that this would happen. Chapter 2 verses 29-39 29. It is He Who has created for you all things that are on earth; moreover His design comprehends the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He has perfect knowledge. 30. Behold, your Lord said to the angels: "I will created a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Will You place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood? - while we do celebrate Your praises and glorify Your holy (name)? "He said: "I know what you do not know." 31. And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell Me the nature of these if you are right."" 32. They said: "Glory to You: of knowledge we have none, save what You have taught us; in truth it is You Who are perfect in knowledge and wisdom." 33. He said: "O Adam! tell them their natures." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what you reveal and what you conceal?" 34. And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam:" and they bowed down: no so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: he was of those who reject Faith. 35. We said; "O Adam! you and your wife dwell in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful thing therein as (where and when) you will but do not approach this tree, or you run into harm and transgression." 36. Then did Satan make them slip from the (Garden), and get them out of the state in which they had been. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood for a time." 37. Then Adam learnt from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord turned toward him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. 38. We said: "Get you down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you guidance from Me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 39. "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be Companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:14 pm
Azkeel X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X So Demons are Fallen Angels... but if they come back to Earth, they still aren't coming from above, thus not making them Aliens. Alien is a word used to describe something that's foreign. Humans can be aliens. If we want to get into it we should call them extra-terrestrials. And an angel would be known as a messenger but they are considered a creation thus making them an extra-terrestrial as well. There are plenty of Holy scriptures through out human kind describing what we consider to be an alien. Even a fiery chariot from the sky. Could that not just as simply be a UFO they just didn't have to words to describe it then. Angels are considered spiritual creatures but did they not show up in fleshly form (Appearing as human) in let's say the story of Lot in the torah? But in other parts of scripture they show up as creatures of light. Which would be easier for people to swallow now a days; saying there are angels visiting us all the time or saying there are aliens. Because if they are angels wouldn't that just throw all the anti-religious people out? And governments love to be secular. And if we considered them as an angel over an alien they can preach things and we'd be better able to discern their message as to if they were speaking a truth or if they were speaking lies. If they're just aliens we'd believe everything they say because we'd consider them far more advanced and we'd easily go along with any plans they had set up; like say a system for buying and selling with a mark. But if we considered them angels trying to do this, we'd consider them demons. So... Demons are Aliens and so are Angels and so is anything that's foreign. But the other guy said Aliens didn't exist because God only created us. So.... now what? Can you summarize the whole second paragraph because you either said the same thing over and over or my mind stops working at 12. The second paragraph is essentially the conspiracy as to why they would call them angels vs. aliens. Okay. Thanks. Sorry; I know I can talk like mo jo jojo once in awhile. haha I LOVE THAT SHOW. Lol.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:10 pm
Does somebody listen to paranormal podcasts? I listened to something about this very subject at work.
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:33 pm
Vanilla eXee
Does somebody listen to paranormal podcasts? I listened to something about this very subject at work.I haven't heard of them.
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:37 am
CellphoneTL Those are demons, not aliens. They like to pretend to be aliens due to our gullibility. God did not create any other creatures out there. firstly, as if god would tell humanity everything he created if he is everything. secondly, aliens can co exist with angels fallen angles, and demons. thirdly, demons are not fallen angels and in fact it is insulting and disrespectful to label them as such. the 72 solomonic demons command hell and all the legions of demons, and furthermore are responsible for punishing satan and his fallen angels. satan does not rule hell Baal does. demons are dominantly nuetral, there are few that are good, and few that are evil. but demons are enforcers and gaurds. fallen angels on the other hand are corrupt dueche bags. fourthly, if satan has taken over hell and is in control of it now, with his army of fallen angels... then its gods own damned fault for ordering the unecessary and cruel imprisonment of the 72 solomonic demons and there legions of demons. leaving hells throne completely wide open and easy for the taking. you want satan gone? if satan rules, then the fallen angels pose as demons. and if thats the case, then every single christian, catholic, or jew that labels a fallen angel posession as demon possession are simply due to there own gullibility, caught by satans deception. and if humanity casts out the demons the fallen angels have virtually none or very small amounts of opposition. hmm... i think your comment led to a new train of though... thank you, i have something to look into further.
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:39 am
CellphoneTL X- TMT -X Azkeel X- TMT -X CellphoneTL Those are demons, not aliens. They like to pretend to be aliens due to our gullibility. God did not create any other creatures out there.How exactly do you know this? And if you say research or the bible I swear... Well I know the whole angel vs demon thing and aliens from personal experience. It's also logical. What would an angel be? It would be something that came from the heavens. And alien just means well it's not originally from here. So angels were tech. aliens. It's just word play. What about Demons? Demons are fallen angels. GRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! scream scream scream scream scream
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:40 am
Azkeel X- TMT -X Calelith CellphoneTL X- TMT -X Azkeel Well I know the whole angel vs demon thing and aliens from personal experience. It's also logical. What would an angel be? It would be something that came from the heavens. And alien just means well it's not originally from here. So angels were tech. aliens. It's just word play. What about Demons? Demons are fallen angels.
How? Angels have no free will, how can they fall?
"Damn my blood... I scorn to do anyone a mischief, when it is not for my advantage."
This. Demons are angels that have chosen to go against God the creator. FFFUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:53 pm
Arcane_Ninja24 CellphoneTL Those are demons, not aliens. They like to pretend to be aliens due to our gullibility. God did not create any other creatures out there. firstly, as if god would tell humanity everything he created if he is everything. secondly, aliens can co exist with angels fallen angles, and demons. thirdly, demons are not fallen angels and in fact it is insulting and disrespectful to label them as such. the 72 solomonic demons command hell and all the legions of demons, and furthermore are responsible for punishing satan and his fallen angels. satan does not rule hell Baal does. demons are dominantly nuetral, there are few that are good, and few that are evil. but demons are enforcers and gaurds. fallen angels on the other hand are corrupt dueche bags. fourthly, if satan has taken over hell and is in control of it now, with his army of fallen angels... then its gods own damned fault for ordering the unecessary and cruel imprisonment of the 72 solomonic demons and there legions of demons. leaving hells throne completely wide open and easy for the taking. you want satan gone? if satan rules, then the fallen angels pose as demons. and if thats the case, then every single christian, catholic, or jew that labels a fallen angel posession as demon possession are simply due to there own gullibility, caught by satans deception. and if humanity casts out the demons the fallen angels have virtually none or very small amounts of opposition. hmm... i think your comment led to a new train of though... thank you, i have something to look into further. Can you please show me Scripture to back up your claims? I also never said that Satan rules Hell. God's Word says that Satan prowls around the earth like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. He's not in Hell.
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