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Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

Also from that site:
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69) 49,000,000 ("great leap forward" and "cultural revolution") Which is 8,166,666 people per year.

Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1934-39) 13,000,000 (the purges) or 2,600,000 people per year.

Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915) 1,200,000 Armenians which is just under the amount of fetii per year aborted.

More genocides
http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_genocide_intro.html

Over 11 million people died in the systematic genocide carried out by the Third Reich. http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/features/holocaust/
Well that fits in better with what I'VE been saying than you hmm?

Germany during the time of the Holocaust WAS the THIRD REICH. To properally talk about that then you need to talk about what all the Third Reich HAD.

But if you want to look at in a way that might favor your side only about half of the people who died were Jews. That would mean per year it's only 1,000,000.

Happy now that you won? Or are you going to continue to try and play this game?

Oh and as a random point to help you more:
Added to these acknowledged abortions are the unreported countless millions of very early abortions caused by abortifacients such as IUDs(Inta-Uterine Devices), the Pill, and the human pesticide RU-486, that prevent implantation of the human embryo on the uterine wall. These all meet the scientific, medical, and most certainly, moral definition of abortion.
http://www.knightsite.com/kc9496/unborn15.htm

So if any of you guys use that stuff you're just as bad as the people who abort because you're preventing life and supporting the abortion holocaust.

Whoa whoa whoa. They do not meet the scientific or medical definition of abortion or your definition or mine. You can't argue by assigning your opposition a belief they don't actually hold. And the fact that fewer millions of people died from one cause than another does not make that cause somehow better. Jeffery Dahmer isn't any less evil than Josef Stalin. They both killed people. Killing one person is killing one too many. The end.

Because there's an actual debate going I'll say it's fine to continue. However for future reference, Vivnox, the same thing I said to Talon applies to you as well. You, like her, are a conditional member of the guild. Meaning there are certain things you must do that not everyone else has to, this includes holding your tongue in certain threads.

If you wanted to debate abortion/holocaust similarities/differences than there are a couple other threads you could have done so in. This was not a debate thread however this was a personal thought thread.

Once again if KP feels that I'm cracking down too hard than I'll step back, however until otherwise stated, you are to stick to non-abortion related threads or threads where there is an actual abortion debate being started. Otherwise you are sticking your nose where it doesn't need to be stuck.

This is the pro-life guild and there are certain pro-life thoughts and ideas that people have, we are entitled to those as you are to your pro-choice thoughts and ideas, we don't need you arguing with our ideas on OUR territory.

Er, sorry Miranda, didn't see your post. sweatdrop

So wait. You said,

"Just because I am a dork and I was curious I worked out the math here.

Okay Holocaust (I'm starting it in 1939 [even though Kristalnaucht was in Novemeber] and ending in 1945) killed ~2,000,000 people each year. Going with the idea of 12,000,000 people total were killed.

Abortion (from 1973-2006) has killed ~1,212,121 fetii per year.

So I'm going to request from now on that people do not say that abortion is worse than the Holocaust (not saying anyone here ever has, but the livejournal post did and when you break it down by years the person is incorrect). "


Okay. So you put forth that mathematically, the holocaust killed more people than abortion did.

I showed you that it did not.

And somehow there's a flaw in the thing the livejournal stated?

Um, where I'm standing, Kate is still right. Abortion kills more per year then Germany did Jews.

If you are going to add in other things on the side of Germany's Holocaust, more than the 1 mil Jews, other things must be added to the side of Abortion. I don't know what you would add, especially since things like executed criminals wouldn't be thought of as horrible by all Pro-Lifers, and also doesn't have quite the same quality of "bad" as the other parts of the Holocaust.

Also, why should the number of abortions be limited to those of the United States? I don't understand that. Abortion happens everywhere; Why shouldn't all abortions be counted? Just because more countries are doing Abortion then did the Holocaust doesn't make it a lesser evil. In fact, that makes it worse.

Last, even if we conceded that Abortion might kill less per year then the Holocaust, it has been going on longer. Just because Hitler didn't ration out his killings quite as well as abortionists do doesn't make the number of abortions any less significant then the Holocaust.

Actually, all this just makes me think of a way to make the message more powerful: More countries participate in abortion then did in the Holocaust, and more deaths are caused by Abortion worldwide in two years then were killed by Hitler, Stalin, Ze-Dong, and Enver combined.

S'ok even if I say something you're allowed to back it up, even if you don't realize you're doing it. XD