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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:57 pm
I really enjoyed the movie on its own merits. It was visually beautiful, Heimdall was kind of awesome in an understated way and there were some great moments of comedy. I really liked the little bit where Thor carries a drunken Stellan Skarsgard into a motor home with the explanation of "We drank. We fought. He made his ancestors proud." Yes the lore was lacking but it wasn't intended to be disrespectful. It was created to embody and honor the comic not the original mythology. If they'd changed it up to make it more accurate to the lore, they'd have had fanboys screaming up and down about how they ruined it. It's a fine line to walk. And if I'm willing to let all the bad history in movies go for the sake of entertainment, I don't think I have much right to harp on bad mythology. That's it's own sort of hypocrisy.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:57 am
By the way, here's someone else's take on the topic. I got this from the Wild Hunt pagan blog. Quote: *The Substance of Thor (and Loki):* Over at Killing the Buddha , Eric Scott , who recently shared his mixed feelings over marketing Nordic gods in “Valhal-Mart ,” shares his review of the Marvel Comics film “Thor.” *“My understanding of the ancient Germanic myths revolves around two themes. The first is that virtue consists of equal parts strength and wisdom. The second is the Germanic worldview of an entropic universe, where civilization will always fall into ruin. Beneath its hammy, explosion-filled superhero veneer, Thor deals with both of these themes. Thor’s character development exemplifies the first, as we watch the bold and foolish prince grow wise. Loki exemplifies the second: despite his good intentions, Loki falls, becoming a monster in the name of ending monsters.* *So what should pagans take away from this movie? Certainly not mythological accuracy: if you only knew the myths, most of the film will probably seem nonsensical. I admit that the mythological discrepancies still leave me conflicted, if only because they drastically alter the relationships among some of these deities. But I left the theater feeling much better about Thor than I expected; while it may not get any of the surface right, it captures a surprising amount of the substance. Thor gives us the glories and the tragedies of Norse mythology, if we’re willing to abide a little trickery in the delivery. Loki would be proud.”*
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:26 pm
I wondered what you guys thought about it, I was curious about seeing it, I don't usually expect mythological accuracy from movies, their just movies for entertainment.
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:26 pm
I just saw the movie last night. I thourougly enjoyed it.
On the complaints about the mythology: First off they did get somethings right like ygggdrasil and the name of Miolinir (sp?) and the 9 realms. They also got Loki's father right as Laufey was Loki's father.
Secondly it was a work of fiction. Stan Lee has always been good about doing as much research into history of technology advances during his comics/movies which is why you see the technology advance with time.
Thirdly have you seen how Family guy and south Park portray Jesus and Yaweh/Jehova? Honestly it's hilarious and in many ways offensive. It's in the movies and what not, you just need to be looking for it.
Finally it's a Stan Lee production heart heart Stan Lee always puts on a good show except the second Fantastic Four movie.
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:58 pm
It helps to know that the Asgardians in Marvel comics are not actually Gods. They are a race of advanced aliens - the theory that any technology sufficiently advanced is magic, to those who don't have it or understand it - who came to earth in antiquity. It's not an uncommon theory.
They're not going for historical accuracy. It's broad characterization meant to fit into the densely packed comic book plot concept, and it's an alternate universe. Sure it'd be nice if everyone was interested in portraying the Gods as we scholars and pagans think of them - but that's obviously not everyone's goal, when attempting to entertain.
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:41 pm
It's next in our Netflix queue, so hopefully I'll get to see it soon.
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:24 pm
I just saw it. It wasn't too bad. I mean, obviously it wasn't supposed to reflect the lore, but the characters were good, the visuals were amazing, and the story line was decent. I'm not sure I like Natalie Portman as that type of character, though. It just felt awkward.
If nothing else, Chris Hemsworth's half nekkid body was worth it xd
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:54 pm
I think what bothers me more now is the shipping I see on Tumblr of Loki/Thor. Although knowing there is Bible fanfiction does take the sting away a bit.
I guess I just don't like that it's perfectly acceptable for something like this to occur while the "Judas" music video gets blasted for "blasphemy."
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:36 pm
I guess with the Jesus stuff on Family Guy etc, it's pretty obvious that they're calculated to be blasphemous, silly and mildly offensive. Whereas inaccuracies from Marvel will creep into mainstream consciousness of the myths themselves - something I've already experienced with someone who confused a comic idea with an actual myth associated with Odin. So... I guess I'd be more OK with it if it was obvious that it was intentionally ridiculous and mildly offensive. If it was a conscious thing on the part of the creators and the watchers or readers. (Which itself is a bit aside from the Thor movie and comic series because I know a lot of people are conscious of that, and because the issues involved are more irritating than they are offensive.)
Like, I have a manga called "Desire of the Gods" or something that ships Loki and Baldur (which, personally, if I was going to ship Norse mythology, I would consider a more likely ship than Loki and Thor) and involves sexual assault of Loki by Odin. Now this is ridiculous and it's blasphemous and it revolves around homosexual sex and incest... but it's obviously ridiculous and blasphemous and silly. (I'm also not sure how I feel about it overall because although in some ways it's adorable, I find the sexual assault disturbing.)
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:27 pm
At least Thor mostly comes across as harmless fun for me. I've found other movies far more offensive.
For example, my mythology class is watching the Clash of the Titans remake (something I've been able to avoid until now) and that movie is pissing me off. Not only does it have little to nothing to do with the source material (something I generally expect from Hollywood) but the depictions and opinions of the Gods presented in it are actually making me angry. I don't even particularly care for the Greek gods (no offense to any Hellenics in the room) but this is bullsh**.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:11 pm
CalledTheRaven At least Thor mostly comes across as harmless fun for me. I've found other movies far more offensive. For example, my mythology class is watching the Clash of the Titans remake (something I've been able to avoid until now) and that movie is pissing me off. Not only does it have little to nothing to do with the source material (something I generally expect from Hollywood) but the depictions and opinions of the Gods presented in it are actually making me angry. I don't even particularly care for the Greek gods (no offense to any Hellenics in the room) but this is bullsh**. The Clash of the Titans remake pissed me off pretty badly as well. I'm rather fond of Io and her role in the movie is just one of the many things that annoyed the crap out of me. I also thought the original had a perfectly good plot, and as I recall stuck to the mythology a whole lot better. Apparently there is an alternative ending to the remake though, in which he does end up with Andromeda. I wasn't overly thrilled with Thor, yes it had really good visual effects, but the storyline seemed a bit vague to me, like I'm watching it going - ok get to the point. Though I think it would probably do me good to watch it again, so maybe I won't pay attention to the discrepancies much. I also think that changing the relationship between Odin, Thor and Loki is probably what bothered me the most - I really don't like it when people mess with that sort of thing. (it's a major beef I have with the Queen of the Damned movie - where they tried to say that Marius was Lestat's maker.... NO I DON'T THINK SO!!! scream )
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:27 am
too2sweet (it's a major beef I have with the Queen of the Damned movie - where they tried to say that Marius was Lestat's maker.... NO I DON'T THINK SO!!! scream ) OMG I KNOW. Wtf was that movie?! I mean, aside from their Lestat being rather attractive, and the soundtrack actually being pretty rockin', it was an AWFUL movie. Everyone's hair was the wrong colour, Marius's character was totally different, and WTF HAPPENED TO NICKI. I ASK YOU. NICKI.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:46 pm
Sanguina Cruenta too2sweet (it's a major beef I have with the Queen of the Damned movie - where they tried to say that Marius was Lestat's maker.... NO I DON'T THINK SO!!! scream ) OMG I KNOW. Wtf was that movie?! I mean, aside from their Lestat being rather attractive, and the soundtrack actually being pretty rockin', it was an AWFUL movie. Everyone's hair was the wrong colour, Marius's character was totally different, and WTF HAPPENED TO NICKI. I ASK YOU. NICKI. Yeah... of all the things, I rather liked Stuart Townsend as Lestat, he was loads better than Tom Cruise. That sort of thing I can deal with, because he at least got the essence of the character, but the rest of it was horrible. Hubby and I went to the movies to see it the day it came out, and sat horrified through the whole thing. I've never been able to watch the whole thing since. I read an interview with the director once and he was all like... "Well... I just made Akasha kill every one, because no one will understand why she would just want to kill men." stressed
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