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Do you want a hybrid government?
Yes
57%
 57%  [ 8 ]
No
21%
 21%  [ 3 ]
Other
21%
 21%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 14


Phe

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:26 pm


We could always write in the lay out, that if so and so goes in active for a period of time they will be requested to give up there position in the gov. by such and such a date.

I see two options here.
1) we set up a permanent gov. one on which members can critique ever so often and decide if any of the officers need to be removed.

2) we can have numerous elections through out the year, electing new and old officers.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:27 pm


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Phe


Fleeccee

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:12 pm


sounds good


yeah i think they would..
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:22 pm


Well I think we have reach some sort of decision on the time of office. I will try and write something up in the next few days.

I guess what would be good to decided next would be, what do you expect from officers? What should be the expectations and requirements.

Phe


My Alter Ego

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:28 pm


Something that I had thought of was that there would be the Hybrid AI creating the threads but an elected group would create the theme for the group. The guild would have the "officials" of future lottos already elected/chosen. The officials could just pm AI the layout and such.

As for the Government, we should have more then one person in each position.

Lets say 2 people per position except for Hybrid AI, he would have his three controler people. This way we can have more then one person to go to and if one of them left for a small break then we would still have someone in that possition.

It owuld be the roles of these officials to make sure that we have things set up for at least one lotto ahead of the current lotto. If nothing else then we just have a default lotto to turn to if things are undecided.

Unorganized thoughts of an Alter Ego crying
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:24 am


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Whigh
Crew


dragon_master~

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:47 am


Whigh

Constitution/Bi-laws: Currently, what we are engaged in would be considered some form of Constitutional Congress of sorts. Do we want to keep this an open forum for discussion amongst all members of the guild, or do we want to appoint representatives to discuss this?


I think that just allowing people to talk it out is fine. If we start electing representatives and such this will start to become too much like real government. I don't think that's what we need.

Whigh

Other Elected Positions: Do we want to elect certain people to police or to work on each individual lotto? Extremely temporary positions to hold down the responsibilities of the main office holders which would only last as long as the lotto for which they were elected?


Again, I think that having leadership change this often will create confusion and instability. Instability will eventaully lead to the downfall of the guild. I think it would be easier to take a week entertaining ideas for the next lotto and then another week voting on them in an open poll. Whatever idea won is the won we would use. (Reference ideas for themes and such.)

The hybrid lotto is still, essentially, a spam lotto. I don't think that needs much policing. If someone is being abusive or breaking the ToS, anyone can hit the "report post" button. I do it all the time in the exchange when I see people trying to scam.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:51 am


I think we're going to need a set of core rules and as Phe suggested, expectations or guidelines for officials and mods, otherwise we will seriously lack the stability that is being argued for.

I can see how having officials change with each lotto can be chaotic and erratic, I simply made that suggestion as merely that, another point to decide.

Also, good point d_m. How much like a 'real' government do we want this to be? Simply a decision making group, or a policy setting group? Some form of loose representative government, or a loosely guided anarchic democracy? These are just for description of possible outcomes, not necessarily suggestions.

Also, returning to something Phe said, do we want multiple people in each office? Or are we going to rely on those people who say they'll be there for those offices to always be there? Do we want to appoint/elect backups in all cases? Some people want to be involved but have day-jobs and other requirements in the real world which keep them away from Gaia. Are we going to have any specific requirements that have to be met in order for each user to be elegible for election?

Just throwing out ideas. Feel free to refute, discuss, and beat them into the dust.

Whigh
Crew


Wilhem
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:21 am


Some very interesting ideas coming out here, people. Keep them coming!

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Themes

I love this. Assuming we have everything organized by the next lotto, my vote (as always) is for pirates.

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Offices

We could set aside a sub-forum specifically for governmental stuff, like the nomination of people and actual voting and what-not. As for the actual positions, I say we keep AI as the Captain and vote in another person as Vice-Captain, but I'm not sure on what other officers we'd really need. Probably a couple mods to police and update the guild and what-not, but I don't see much necessity for anything beyond that. As for multiple people in each office, it depends. Something like Vice-Captain we'd only need one person. Something like a general Mod position (wherein the person would keep things in the right sub-forums and police the guild), though, would almost have to have multiple people just by necessity.

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Rolling Election dates are also a good thing. Perhaps two months at the shortest and 4 at the longest, as things to tend to move rather quickly around here at times, and slower at others. During that time the elected official must remain loyal to their post, and certain Bi-laws may need to be written up to enforce this, as well as detail under what circumstances one may step down from their post.

Agreed. We don't want to have to change officials every month or so, but we don't want the same person to be there for months on end, especially if they get tired of the position after a while. But how strict do we want to be on people who want to step down from their positions?

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Lottos in General: Perhaps before each lotto, a length should be agreed upon. I've noticed that we've had some long, boring lottos recently.

Right. I would say we should just agree on one set length, but I remember when we used to go through hundreds of pages in a matter of a day, whereas now we take a month or two to get through 1000 pages.

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Constitution/Bi-laws

I say we keep the discussion open. No need to exclude anybody.

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Other Elected Positions: Do we want to elect certain people to police or to work on each individual lotto? Extremely temporary positions to hold down the responsibilities of the main office holders which would only last as long as the lotto for which they were elected?

I don't know about this. However, I see absolutely nothing wrong with inviting somebody to help out on one lotto if it's necessary.

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Do we have contests and lottos which members of the guild only can participate in? And do you have to participate in the lottos AND the guild for elegibility? How elitest to we want to become?

This is one thing that has me kinda on the fence. On one hand, I like the idea of guild involvement in the lotto itself, but on the other hand, if you have to do stuff in the guild just for the normal lotto, I dunno. Maybe if we had something in addition to or in place of the mini-lotto where we used guild stuff.

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Meetings

I don't know about actually scheduling some specific time for the people to get together, but I think we should set aside a sub-forum for people to make their voices heard.

Speaking of sub-forums, what sub-forums do we want? So far, I count these:
Old Stuff
Feedback
Additional Guild-based Contests

Any more?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:35 am


IMO the best way to do this would be to have AI and have a set number (preferably odd) of mods. Giving titles like VP indicates a system of superiority that I think could lead to resentment. I'd prefer if it was a group of equals that made decisions together via a subforum for mods only. Based on past experience, I think this would be the best solution. This would also negate the question of having several people hold one position. You could just have 5 or 6 mods instead of 3 titles, or whatever.

There would certainly need to be some sort of requirement for activity in order to be a mod. I'm not sure what other types of requirements people would want.

For lotto length, we could set it back to 1000 pages for right now while things are slow. If we notice that we are going through all that ina week because people are active and conversing and we;re attracting more people, then we can try to up it to 1500 and see how it goes.

Guild-membership required "contests" I think could work in two ways:
1. Have contests in the guild itself. No one not in the guild would be able to even see it if we had it here.

2. Have 1 prize in the main lotto that only a guild member can win. Whether it's random prize 4 guild member who posts last on page 1000 gets 500g or a donation letter or whatever, or simply eliminating 3rd place and making whatever would have been 3rd place into a guild member only prize.

Regardless of if there is something in the main lotto or not, I think having contests in the guild itself could help liven things up.

As for how to step down from a mod position/office, I think if at any time the person in the position feels that they can no longer handle the responsibility (for whatever reason) they should be able to say so and step down on their own. I also think that there should be a time limit set on how long a mod/officer can be inactive without warning before they are replaced automatically. 1-2 months is a good length of time.

dragon_master~


Angel387

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:59 am


I don't think any one should be excluded on having a say on where the lotto goes. I'm sure everyone cares about it just as much as us.

I say that a odd number is a great idea. Though we could have a group of equal individuals each would have a different responsiblity. (thus share the load between each other)

As for the theme idea. I think it might help guild activity if we have a thread here about it. Maybe a sticky maybe not. But I know Gaia has use to have one for ideas within the members about new items and such. We could do something simular for people's theme ideas. If they don't have a very big idea about it others could add it to and AI finish the thought so to say.

I still want to see the lotto be a open place where newbies feel safe and can enjoy themselves. I remember my first lotto and how welcome I felt. I strongly believe we don't want to lose this feeling for others who wander into our thread. n00bs are many the times filtered out because of the cut off which is nice but we don't want to exclude ourselves from others as well.

The government is a good idea but it is something that can be taken to the extreme. Maybe we should not push too much of different committees, ,or offices but keep it simple and understandable for everyone as members and those in charge.

As for what requirements for theses certain areas? I think they need to be kind and good hearted with the best of the Hybrids in mind, concerned with member issues and ideas, and has *MUST* have a since of humor.

As for activeness and all. I'm not sure what time to set on this.

I do believe we should only have an election if needed by a step down of member or inactive member.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:31 am


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Phe


Phe

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:34 am


I will try and narrow and summarize issues and questions brought up in the past few days discussion so we can see what has been asked and addressed and what still needs deciding.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:55 pm


It sounds like a great idea. ^^ I'm not running though, lol

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Phe

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:46 pm


I updated the first post with my summery of ideas 3nodding
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