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 Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:11 am
The world has gone to hell.
The only reason why people ignored him was because he was a hobo and he is a hobo because of the way the world is today.
Long time ago they didn't have hobos they had homeless theives that stole to live or homeless lazy theives that didn't want to steal and simply died on the street.
That or you'd have a wanderer, someone who'd lodge where available and work where needed.
Now, if a hobo seeks to work or whatever else he can't because he's so far below the standard of the average person where a hobo awhile back was almost no different than the average man.
And with all this I'm talking about Medieval ages, the time where people fought hand to hand and things like "Drive bys" didn't exist and "Crooked governments" could be physically fought.
Good times.
Except you know, pillaging and war but that can't be avoided in any era.
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:59 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:09 pm
SmileUponMyStar Why are there so many flaws in this world? because we live our lives believing someone else is in charge of it and will make it good. civilization started a little after 8000 BCE. its been shitty the whole time. weve been waiting for a savior for ten thousand years. god wont save us. if he e&#xis;ts, were just a joke. the only thing that can save us now, that could ever save us, is ourselves. science. things that are real, things that dont start wars, things that can be seen making visible progress with every development we uncover. all the money being used to build churches and buy priest uniforms and golden chalices could be used for something far greater, say, a cancer research group, a charity, anything. if hell e&#xis;ts, were already dead.
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:36 pm
I guess I know where you guys are trying to get at, and that everything just comes back around like a huge big circle. It's just so hard, because what makes this world a depressing place is just that people keep hurting others while getting at what they want. So if there was a way to erase people's selfishness wouldn't that solve everything? Without money, wouldn't that solve SOME things?
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:09 pm
Another thing that makes good sense.
There is no pleasure without pain.
No love without hate.
And No Good without evil.
If there were only one half of these things we wouldn't know the contrast, meaning we wouldn't know what either of them were.
Also if we didn't feel pain, we'd physically mess up our bodies without relising it. confused
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:31 pm
heress a test stand a bit away from a hobo and count how many times someone says hi to you and to the hobo
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:17 pm
bislas heress a test stand a bit away from a hobo and count how many times someone says hi to you and to the hobo and ur point is?
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:54 pm
Musique au Coeur I say I agree with you 100% this world is a bad place. We should just share everything. This is a very deep thing to think about. Not really, we shouldn't share VD's
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:54 pm
SmileUponMyStar bislas heress a test stand a bit away from a hobo and count how many times someone says hi to you and to the hobo and ur point is? Maybe more people say hi to the hobo than you think
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:59 pm
Deathgod of Legend The world has gone to hell. The only reason why people ignored him was because he was a hobo and he is a hobo because of the way the world is today. Long time ago they didn't have hobos they had homeless theives that stole to live or homeless lazy theives that didn't want to steal and simply died on the street. That or you'd have a wanderer, someone who'd lodge where available and work where needed. Now, if a hobo seeks to work or whatever else he can't because he's so far below the standard of the average person where a hobo awhile back was almost no different than the average man. And with all this I'm talking about Medieval ages, the time where people fought hand to hand and things like "Drive bys" didn't exist and "Crooked governments" could be physically fought. Good times. Except you know, pillaging and war but that can't be avoided in any era. Also the mentally insane that were allowed to roam around cause we didn't have insitutions to take care of them. Those kind of hobos are still around. Then there was also the black death, that was pretty hellish. My point is its easy to say the world's gone to hell but it really hasn't. People are way better off compared to the old days with extremem infant deathrate where we wouldn't name children until they're past 2 cause it wasn't worth the trouble. Really, the hobo incident should make you grateful for what you have and not to look down on everything Before you go blaming capitalism and money for all the world's problems, you might want to think about why we have them in the first place. It was a natural progression from simple tribes to complex and we needed ways to regulate goods. Now you can say, we can evolve into a organization that doesn't need rank or money and everyone is equal (Something like communism) but really, how many people would actually like that right now? We're still working on getting countries to see women as people. To be totally equal or perfect would mean to lose any sort of identity. And if its something I know about people, is that they value their identity above alot of things. Most sci fi books about these kind of worlds, usually puts a bad light on them Now is it sad that there is homeless? Of course, and the idea is to minimialize that problem, its not like we're not trying to change that. The simple fact is however, that there has always been and always will be homeless, it comes with a surplus in humanity.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:37 am
pirulaso Deathgod of Legend The world has gone to hell. The only reason why people ignored him was because he was a hobo and he is a hobo because of the way the world is today. Long time ago they didn't have hobos they had homeless theives that stole to live or homeless lazy theives that didn't want to steal and simply died on the street. That or you'd have a wanderer, someone who'd lodge where available and work where needed. Now, if a hobo seeks to work or whatever else he can't because he's so far below the standard of the average person where a hobo awhile back was almost no different than the average man. And with all this I'm talking about Medieval ages, the time where people fought hand to hand and things like "Drive bys" didn't exist and "Crooked governments" could be physically fought. Good times. Except you know, pillaging and war but that can't be avoided in any era. Also the mentally insane that were allowed to roam around cause we didn't have insitutions to take care of them. Those kind of hobos are still around. Then there was also the black death, that was pretty hellish. My point is its easy to say the world's gone to hell but it really hasn't. People are way better off compared to the old days with extremem infant deathrate where we wouldn't name children until they're past 2 cause it wasn't worth the trouble. Really, the hobo incident should make you grateful for what you have and not to look down on everything Before you go blaming capitalism and money for all the world's problems, you might want to think about why we have them in the first place. It was a natural progression from simple tribes to complex and we needed ways to regulate goods. Now you can say, we can evolve into a organization that doesn't need rank or money and everyone is equal (Something like communism) but really, how many people would actually like that right now? We're still working on getting countries to see women as people. To be totally equal or perfect would mean to lose any sort of identity. And if its something I know about people, is that they value their identity above alot of things. Most sci fi books about these kind of worlds, usually puts a bad light on them Now is it sad that there is homeless? Of course, and the idea is to minimialize that problem, its not like we're not trying to change that. The simple fact is however, that there has always been and always will be homeless, it comes with a surplus in humanity. HELL. Yea, I can't argue with those facts. But you know, when there was a criminal back then they were to rot or die immediately, not be released back to the world. neutral
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:19 pm
Quote: HELL. Yea, I can't argue with those facts. But you know, when there was a criminal back then they were to rot or die immediately, not be released back to the world. Not all criminals are bad, not all of them deserve to die. Yes I know what your thinking and I've gone through that thought too. But what if they didn't mean it? What if they stole something because they needed to feed a family? If your family was starving and one of your family member went to steal something to feed you all, then killed by doing that how would you feel?
Other criminals such as murderers, what if it wasn't their fault? What if it was by accident? They still deserve to die? No I think not. As for those people who kill for fun, yes to me they deserve to die, but not the people who had a miserable life, made a accidental mistake. Like you were driving and all of a sudden you didn't notice the red light, someone was crossing and you ran over that person. That person ended up dead. Do you deserve to die then? No I think not.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:24 pm
Quote: To be totally equal or perfect would mean to lose any sort of identity. And if its something I know about people, is that they value their identity above alot of things. I understand at what your getting at, and that the world has a lot more to change, but it's just sad, maybe it's just me, not being able to be grateful of what the world has become today. But I see all these other people outside and I want to help in a way.
About the saying Hi to the hobo thing, your right I know I mis-sentenced? it, it's just that why can't humans just be friendly to each other without looking at someone's appearance?
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:50 pm
People's life is what they make of it. If a hobo is lying in the streets sleeing atop a box sheet and drinking from the park's water fountains; that's basically their choice of life. There are alot of manual labor places that will hire even a hobo as long as he can work.
The world being in a state of critical condition is only a matter of perspective.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:56 pm
SmileUponMyStar Quote: HELL. Yea, I can't argue with those facts. But you know, when there was a criminal back then they were to rot or die immediately, not be released back to the world. Not all criminals are bad, not all of them deserve to die. Yes I know what your thinking and I've gone through that thought too. But what if they didn't mean it? What if they stole something because they needed to feed a family? If your family was starving and one of your family member went to steal something to feed you all, then killed by doing that how would you feel?
Other criminals such as murderers, what if it wasn't their fault? What if it was by accident? They still deserve to die? No I think not. As for those people who kill for fun, yes to me they deserve to die, but not the people who had a miserable life, made a accidental mistake. Like you were driving and all of a sudden you didn't notice the red light, someone was crossing and you ran over that person. That person ended up dead. Do you deserve to die then? No I think not. With the wide variety of criminals these days, one can't afford to be Naive.
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