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 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:33 am
Eltanin Sadachbia It's focus is in teaching youngsters family and moral values in a way that children relate. I know that my daughter and I have seen the doll funeral episode, I just don't remember much about it Our favorite episode is when Owl and Little Bear get in Little Bear's Father's john boat and imagine they catch a sea monster while they are fishing, and a mermaid comes to rescue them all. It's cute.
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:16 am
Haven't had kids yet really but my opinion is that I'd rather them know what death is when they're younger and be more used to it and the idea that yeah, it happens and here's how life moves on. To me it seems trying to hide death from children helps engender the almost phobic fear we all have of it to the point where when we encounter it, we have a difficult if not impossible time moving on emotionally. (Not to mention the point of view of people that believe people should be kept alive even if they're in excruciating pain and will never live a normal life again or should be kept alive in a completely vegetable state.)
Death is a natural thing. To me it seems like a better idea to allow that lesson to settle in early than to have to deal with confusion and ignorance of it when death does happen to strike.
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:43 am
Lateralus es Helica Haven't had kids yet really but my opinion is that I'd rather them know what death is when they're younger and be more used to it and the idea that yeah, it happens and here's how life moves on. To me it seems trying to hide death from children helps engender the almost phobic fear we all have of it to the point where when we encounter it, we have a difficult if not impossible time moving on emotionally. (Not to mention the point of view of people that believe people should be kept alive even if they're in excruciating pain and will never live a normal life again or should be kept alive in a completely vegetable state.) Death is a natural thing. To me it seems like a better idea to allow that lesson to settle in early than to have to deal with confusion and ignorance of it when death does happen to strike.
I really don't like the events of people keeping others alive while in comas with a very slim chance of them recovery. It's just denial.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:53 am
Aakosir Lateralus es Helica Haven't had kids yet really but my opinion is that I'd rather them know what death is when they're younger and be more used to it and the idea that yeah, it happens and here's how life moves on. To me it seems trying to hide death from children helps engender the almost phobic fear we all have of it to the point where when we encounter it, we have a difficult if not impossible time moving on emotionally. (Not to mention the point of view of people that believe people should be kept alive even if they're in excruciating pain and will never live a normal life again or should be kept alive in a completely vegetable state.) Death is a natural thing. To me it seems like a better idea to allow that lesson to settle in early than to have to deal with confusion and ignorance of it when death does happen to strike.
I really don't like the events of people keeping others alive while in comas with a very slim chance of them recovery. It's just denial.Hard to say exactly, and I think this is where the lack of actual parenting comes in. One of the factors involved is whether or not a child can comprehend death is a natural thing that happens that can be moved on from, but on the same token an exposure to the idea of death early on may make it easier to come to terms with it later in life when the idea really settles in and the child forms their own reactions, etc. based on what knowledge they do or don't have. It would breed a familiarity with it so to speak and not make it such an uncomfortable subject. In other words I'm speculating left and right, but because I don't have any actual experience in the matter it's hard to pin an age down. Not to say children are pets either but I'm going off the idea that when you have puppies, you have to expose them to a variety of experiences very early on when they're young and curious, otherwise you end up with rigid, tense, stressed out dogs later on in life. (For example if you don't socialize them to other animals like cats early on they'll have trouble with cats later on down the line.)
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:04 am
Lateralus es Helica Aakosir Lateralus es Helica Haven't had kids yet really but my opinion is that I'd rather them know what death is when they're younger and be more used to it and the idea that yeah, it happens and here's how life moves on. To me it seems trying to hide death from children helps engender the almost phobic fear we all have of it to the point where when we encounter it, we have a difficult if not impossible time moving on emotionally. (Not to mention the point of view of people that believe people should be kept alive even if they're in excruciating pain and will never live a normal life again or should be kept alive in a completely vegetable state.) Death is a natural thing. To me it seems like a better idea to allow that lesson to settle in early than to have to deal with confusion and ignorance of it when death does happen to strike.
I really don't like the events of people keeping others alive while in comas with a very slim chance of them recovery. It's just denial.Hard to say exactly, and I think this is where the lack of actual parenting comes in. One of the factors involved is whether or not a child can comprehend death is a natural thing that happens that can be moved on from, but on the same token an exposure to the idea of death early on may make it easier to come to terms with it later in life when the idea really settles in and the child forms their own reactions, etc. based on what knowledge they do or don't have. It would breed a familiarity with it so to speak and not make it such an uncomfortable subject. In other words I'm speculating left and right, but because I don't have any actual experience in the matter it's hard to pin an age down. Not to say children are pets either but I'm going off the idea that when you have puppies, you have to expose them to a variety of experiences very early on when they're young and curious, otherwise you end up with rigid, tense, stressed out dogs later on in life. (For example if you don't socialize them to other animals like cats early on they'll have trouble with cats later on down the line.)
Also, maturity needs to be taken in to account. I have seen some mature three year olds and some that shouldn't be walking.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:05 pm
pets die.
they do not come back.
grandparents die.
these things often happen ahead of schedule, before we imagine our kids could be prepared for such harsh realities.
let kids live in the real world.
Fluffy dies.
Blacky dies.
Nana dies.
i do too, and so do you.
get used to it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:16 pm
That's not really the point of my question. It's more of an age appropriate introduction thing
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:51 am
So holy crap... Yesterday I got a free trial of Netflix. We watched The Princess and the Frog, Cats Don't Dance, The Swan Princess and Anastasia. Today we are watching Up and probably a few more.
But holy crap! Every show has had death in it! The Shadowman steps on the firefly, Ray. Rasputin turns to dust infront of Anastasia after he's killed all of the family, Odete's father dies, then Derek kills the Great Beast, and Ellie dies in Up... Surprisingly no one dies in Cats Don't Dance. But wow, I never realized how much death in in kids' shows.
I guess she's going to be asking when she finally gets a hold of some sort of concept.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:27 am
What is Little Bear's target audience though? Isn't like ages 4 to 6 or some where in there?
I guess it doesn't really bother me that there are funerals in children's shows. They have to learn about the concept of life and death some time.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:36 am
Aakosir So holy crap... Yesterday I got a free trial of Netflix. We watched The Princess and the Frog, Cats Don't Dance, The Swan Princess and Anastasia. Today we are watching Up and probably a few more.
But holy crap! Every show has had death in it! The Shadowman steps on the firefly, Ray. Rasputin turns to dust infront of Anastasia after he's killed all of the family, Odete's father dies, then Derek kills the Great Beast, and Ellie dies in Up... Surprisingly no one dies in Cats Don't Dance. But wow, I never realized how much death in in kids' shows.
I guess she's going to be asking when she finally gets a hold of some sort of concept. Well, think about the fairy tales we tell children. In most of them someone dies. Either the main character is an orphan or only has one living parent. And how often does the "hero" kill the witch/monster/ghost/what have you that's between them and the princess? Because death is such a fact of life if it's introduced early in children's tails they aren't so shocked by it when it comes up in their own lives.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:41 am
I was taught about death at a really young age by my parents. They answered my questions in a frank matter about both what spiritually happens as well as physically (yeah, they didn't shy away about how our bodies become worm food). It's probably why I'm only squeamish with the pictures of dead bodies and not the concept of death, but that's a topic for another day... It also helped that I lived in a place that was some sort of squirrel graveyard. Seriously, we saw squirrels flock to our yard just to die.
I think that helped me in a lot of ways. I was more mindful of my actions, and didn't go through the "invincible" phase, and I grew more appreciative of life until my adolescence. Then again, I think few people are not angsty during those times.
Add: I realize this was as clear as mud. My point was I feel exposing children to death at a young age isn't always a bad thing. If dealt with correctly children can see it's completely natural and part of the living process.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:47 am
Shadows-shine What is Little Bear's target audience though? Isn't like ages 4 to 6 or some where in there? I guess it doesn't really bother me that there are funerals in children's shows. They have to learn about the concept of life and death some time.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:51 am
Shearaha Aakosir So holy crap... Yesterday I got a free trial of Netflix. We watched The Princess and the Frog, Cats Don't Dance, The Swan Princess and Anastasia. Today we are watching Up and probably a few more.
But holy crap! Every show has had death in it! The Shadowman steps on the firefly, Ray. Rasputin turns to dust infront of Anastasia after he's killed all of the family, Odete's father dies, then Derek kills the Great Beast, and Ellie dies in Up... Surprisingly no one dies in Cats Don't Dance. But wow, I never realized how much death in in kids' shows.
I guess she's going to be asking when she finally gets a hold of some sort of concept. Well, think about the fairy tales we tell children. In most of them someone dies. Either the main character is an orphan or only has one living parent. And how often does the "hero" kill the witch/monster/ghost/what have you that's between them and the princess? Because death is such a fact of life if it's introduced early in children's tails they aren't so shocked by it when it comes up in their own lives.
And I understood what you meant 4shi. She just hasn't been exposed to any type of death in reality. Only shows.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:52 pm
Aakosir Shearaha Aakosir
And I understood what you meant 4shi. She just hasn't been exposed to any type of death in reality. Only shows.My parents brought up the topic, though. I don't recall if the squirrels were dying en masse yet, but I know it was brought up by my folks. Honestly, I think those shows could be a great way to address death for parents who don't know how to initiate those conversations. Just like you use the cartoons where the bad guys die to point out some lesson some parents may do the same with that Little Bear episode.
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:23 am
Honestly, I think a good rule of thumb is-
If a child is old enough to ask an honest question, they are old enough to receive an honest answer...
I remember wondering about things when I was younger, but not feeling brave enough to ask. When I finally had though through my existing understanding, and came to terms with what I thought I knew, I would then feel prepared enough to ask a question. I don't think I was an isolated case.
I see my kids do it too. they may see something on TV, and I will notice a confused or thoughtful look on their face, but if I ask what's up, they don't always come out and tell me what's on their mind. Normally, after a little while, they will approach me, and ask about what they were considering when I first asked what's up.
Sometimes a child will ask immediately upon first introduction to a new idea. If you feel they are too young to know all about what they ask, you don't have to go into detail with the answer, but that child still deserves an honest answer. If you beat around the bush, it tends to create an atmosphere that is negative to communication between that child and adults.
I think my best example is when my son was 4 and he asked what sex was. I started with, "It's the difference between boys and girls." When he was 5 and started riding the bus, he heard some high-schoolers talking, and he got the general idea that sex had more than one meaning, so I had to elaborate a bit,"If people are having sex, it is the way that a man and woman make a baby together." That answer lead to about a question a day for the next week, but when I gave short but honest answers, he would take time to digest , and then eventually he was asked a question that he was uncomfortable of the answer, and the questions stopped until he was ready to process new info on the subject.
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