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 Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:58 pm
joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:23 pm
The Rapture is a load...
It was just a theory to attempt to pull together a few obscure passages and link them with other passages. It is now a scare tactic that is used by many churches to pull in people who are easily swayed by this sort of propaganda, and then to keep them in line.... What is scary is that so many preachers have bought into the belief because it has been repeated for so long, so much.
God isn't going to yank us when our light is needed most in any case. He is all about tempering us and making us stronger, why would He forgo the most prominent opportunity. Especially if there is supposed to be a huge war of saints at the end of the end? LOL
You see, it makes me laugh... LOL again.
Anyway, I have to agree that Christians should not be concerned with 'The End'. We should be concerned with right now in this moment, and what we are doing in Love and for God.
God is not a God of fear, but of Love. Besides there is an end to everything, does it matter when it comes? I think what matters is what we do with the time we have, and being worried that we may not be here takes away from what we could be doing while we are still here.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:37 pm
Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You are the second person today to pull that card on me. I really don't know what to respond to it with. It's a low blow. Though I gotta say for being one, he's a much better person than I could be. I know I wouldn't be one much longer after the Jews sent me to the cross. lol
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:44 pm
joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You are the second person today to pull that card on me. I really don't know what to respond to it with. It's a low blow. Though I gotta say for being one, he's a much better person than I could be. I know I wouldn't be one much longer after the Jews sent me to the cross. lol `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - It's not a low blow but common sense. Christianity came about AFTER his death. Sure he was called Christ but that was a common term for Mosiachs neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:50 pm
Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Uhh... Judaism as we know it, didn't exist until after 70 CE, the fall of the 2nd temple.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:53 pm
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Uhh... Judaism as we know it, didn't exist until after 70 CE, the fall of the 2nd temple. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If that's the case then Christians can use the OT neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:54 pm
Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You are the second person today to pull that card on me. I really don't know what to respond to it with. It's a low blow. Though I gotta say for being one, he's a much better person than I could be. I know I wouldn't be one much longer after the Jews sent me to the cross. lol `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - It's not a low blow but common sense. Christianity came about AFTER his death. Sure he was called Christ but that was a common term for Messiahs neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Well, doesn't half the bible afterward talk about how you should follow in his footsteps? I really think this whole "he's a Jew" thing is just a formality. He was here, he did more good than anyone could possibility imagine, and you should try to do that. Isn't that like the gospels summed up in a nutshell? I'm not sure if I'm liking this devil advocate thing. Is it better when you the advocate?
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:56 pm
joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You are the second person today to pull that card on me. I really don't know what to respond to it with. It's a low blow. Though I gotta say for being one, he's a much better person than I could be. I know I wouldn't be one much longer after the Jews sent me to the cross. lol `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - It's not a low blow but common sense. Christianity came about AFTER his death. Sure he was called Christ but that was a common term for Messiahs neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Well, doesn't half the bible afterward talk about how you should follow in his footsteps? I really think this whole "he's a Jew" thing is just a formality. He was here, he did more good than anyone could possibility imagine, and you should try to do that. Isn't that like the gospels summed up in a nutshell? I'm not sure if I'm liking this devil advocate thing. Is it better when you the advocate? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - It's because how he was born and grew up. Historically he was a reform rabbai. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:09 pm
Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You are the second person today to pull that card on me. I really don't know what to respond to it with. It's a low blow. Though I gotta say for being one, he's a much better person than I could be. I know I wouldn't be one much longer after the Jews sent me to the cross. lol `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - It's not a low blow but common sense. Christianity came about AFTER his death. Sure he was called Christ but that was a common term for Messiahs neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Well, doesn't half the bible afterward talk about how you should follow in his footsteps? I really think this whole "he's a Jew" thing is just a formality. He was here, he did more good than anyone could possibility imagine, and you should try to do that. Isn't that like the gospels summed up in a nutshell? I'm not sure if I'm liking this devil advocate thing. Is it better when you the advocate? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - It's because how he was born and grew up. Historically he was a reform rabbai. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Historically Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John shouldn't have been able to write, and especially not Greek. Historically is not strong word. Historically, the bible has been changed and edited more times than anyone knows. Historically, Even if those mentioned above could barely write they were vastly more literate than the priests that copied the bible again and again, till the originals were lost. To quote Winston Churchill, "History is written by the victors" and the victor are the Roman Catholic Church, who has a higher body count than any other organization today.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:12 pm
Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Uhh... Judaism as we know it, didn't exist until after 70 CE, the fall of the 2nd temple. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If that's the case then Christians can use the OT neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' How do you figure that? Judaism stems from many different Hebrew sects. All of these tribes still relied on Mosaic code. They wouldn't be Judaism but they would certainly be Hebrew. Where these sects mainly disagreed on scripture since each sect had their own set of scripture but they were all trace roots back to Moses and Abraham and had a common place of worship, the Temple. After the fall of the 2nd Temple, the Hebrew sects had to reformulate themselves since 1) they didn't have a temple anymore which was essential to worship and 2) deal with the rise of this new movement traced back to Yeshua bin Yosef(sp?) that was highly dualistic and seemed to be attracting all these Gentiles.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:58 pm
Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe Seeing as how we got spammed by some uh...person whose worried about the Rapture theory....let's discuss it. To put it in a condensed version, the Rapture theory is basically this notion that many Evangelical Christians have had since the 1800's that the good God fearing Christians will be taken up in a light and go to Heaven, whereas the people who are "left behind" to be tried. Now this is all fine and dandy however there is no biblical proof supporting this. That and it was taught before 1800's, so the credibility of this theory is pretty much shot already. First a clean up of facts, it is not some small idea made up in the 1800's, with no substantiation in the bible. The idea itself was one of the core principles of Puritans, who history knows as one of the founding groups of the United States. They were founded somewhere in the late late 1500's (Early guess date ,1586). They just didn't refer to it as a "rapture" but more of as just "the end". The evangelical idea your speaking of is different because they had a set time (Sir Issac Newton is currently winning with this guess; "after 2060".) ( Though Harold Camping's guess of Oct 2011 is coming up). It's like the whole 2012 theory that some people are getting worked up about nowadays. Foolish thing to think that God is gonna give someone the set time the earth will end, he will come when the world is good and ready, and not a second off. There your history lesson for the day. For your Biblical lesson, please turn in you bible to Luke 21:5. To put it in a condensed version, Jesus goes over a very rapture-like scenario with his disciples, who in turn ask him in turn when such a thing will happen. He replies one of the more memorable lines in Luke, “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." For how I really feel about this? I must ask you to check the beginning of Luke chapter 21. This is the parable of the old poor lady. She had nothing but 2 coppers to her name, yet she put them in to benefit the church. Jesus did not need to tell her of the rapture, for she had no need to hear it. Her all was given to Christ. Honestly, I can't such a lesson matter to true believers, one should only fear such a thing if are not like to old lady in the parable, giving their all to Christ. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - ...I 'm not talking about the end times. I'm solely speaking about the Rapture theory. Or the full length version, The Pre-tribulation Rapture Theory. Which WAS invented in the 1800's. Nice try though. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Truth is, even though I go to evangelical-typish church, I don't have much care for all that end of the world. Like I also mentioned, a good Christian has much more to worry about, like loving and helping people, than the end of the world. It'll come when we are ready for it, just like everything else. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay now I see what happened. Rai you do realize that you've just derailed your own topic starting with this post here. How you meant for this to contribute to the OP as a Devil's Advocate position is escaping me. To address your remark though, I think love is pretty important to Christianity. Matthew 22 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Luke 10 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” Mark 12 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” John 13 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:06 pm
joeking231 Historically Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John shouldn't have been able to write, and especially not Greek. Historically is not strong word. Historically, the bible has been changed and edited more times than anyone knows. Historically, Even if those mentioned above could barely write they were vastly more literate than the priests that copied the bible again and again, till the originals were lost. To quote Winston Churchill, "History is written by the victors" and the victor are the Roman Catholic Church, who has a higher body count than any other organization today. Uh the Roman Catholics put together the Bible to support their stances. All Bibles used today, outside of the schismatic Orthodoxies (Eastern and Oriential Orthodoxy for example) are based on the Roman Catholic Vulgate. The protestant bibles are based on either the translations of the Vulgate (KJV for example) or based on St. Jerome's notes used to put together the Vulgate. All those bibles advertised to be based on the original Greek and Hebrew are slightly misleading since they still have to use St. Jerome's notes to know which documents and what parts of documents to use to piece together the various books of the Bible.
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:10 pm
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 First a clean up of facts, it is not some small idea made up in the 1800's, with no substantiation in the bible. The idea itself was one of the core principles of Puritans, who history knows as one of the founding groups of the United States. They were founded somewhere in the late late 1500's (Early guess date ,1586). They just didn't refer to it as a "rapture" but more of as just "the end". The evangelical idea your speaking of is different because they had a set time (Sir Issac Newton is currently winning with this guess; "after 2060".) ( Though Harold Camping's guess of Oct 2011 is coming up). It's like the whole 2012 theory that some people are getting worked up about nowadays. Foolish thing to think that God is gonna give someone the set time the earth will end, he will come when the world is good and ready, and not a second off. There your history lesson for the day. For your Biblical lesson, please turn in you bible to Luke 21:5. To put it in a condensed version, Jesus goes over a very rapture-like scenario with his disciples, who in turn ask him in turn when such a thing will happen. He replies one of the more memorable lines in Luke, “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." For how I really feel about this? I must ask you to check the beginning of Luke chapter 21. This is the parable of the old poor lady. She had nothing but 2 coppers to her name, yet she put them in to benefit the church. Jesus did not need to tell her of the rapture, for she had no need to hear it. Her all was given to Christ. Honestly, I can't such a lesson matter to true believers, one should only fear such a thing if are not like to old lady in the parable, giving their all to Christ. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - ...I 'm not talking about the end times. I'm solely speaking about the Rapture theory. Or the full length version, The Pre-tribulation Rapture Theory. Which WAS invented in the 1800's. Nice try though. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Truth is, even though I go to evangelical-typish church, I don't have much care for all that end of the world. Like I also mentioned, a good Christian has much more to worry about, like loving and helping people, than the end of the world. It'll come when we are ready for it, just like everything else. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay now I see what happened. Rai you do realize that you've just derailed your own topic starting with this post here. How you meant for this to contribute to the OP as a Devil's Advocate position is escaping me. To address your remark though, I think love is pretty important to Christianity. Matthew 22 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Luke 10 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” Mark 12 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” John 13 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - The topic was already derailed when joeking mentioned the End Times. I was talking about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory, not the End Times. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:13 pm
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good? `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Uhh... Judaism as we know it, didn't exist until after 70 CE, the fall of the 2nd temple. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If that's the case then Christians can use the OT neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' How do you figure that? Judaism stems from many different Hebrew sects. All of these tribes still relied on Mosaic code. They wouldn't be Judaism but they would certainly be Hebrew. Where these sects mainly disagreed on scripture since each sect had their own set of scripture but they were all trace roots back to Moses and Abraham and had a common place of worship, the Temple. After the fall of the 2nd Temple, the Hebrew sects had to reformulate themselves since 1) they didn't have a temple anymore which was essential to worship and 2) deal with the rise of this new movement traced back to Yeshua bin Yosef(sp?) that was highly dualistic and seemed to be attracting all these Gentiles. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Actually Judaism has origins dating back to 1800 BCE. I'm not talking about how "we know Judaism today" that's irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the Jews of then still determined Jewishness by going through the mother to the son in terms of genetics. Judaism 101 Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:48 pm
Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Uhh... Judaism as we know it, didn't exist until after 70 CE, the fall of the 2nd temple. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If that's the case then Christians can use the OT neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' How do you figure that? Judaism stems from many different Hebrew sects. All of these tribes still relied on Mosaic code. They wouldn't be Judaism but they would certainly be Hebrew. Where these sects mainly disagreed on scripture since each sect had their own set of scripture but they were all trace roots back to Moses and Abraham and had a common place of worship, the Temple. After the fall of the 2nd Temple, the Hebrew sects had to reformulate themselves since 1) they didn't have a temple anymore which was essential to worship and 2) deal with the rise of this new movement traced back to Yeshua bin Yosef(sp?) that was highly dualistic and seemed to be attracting all these Gentiles. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Actually Judaism has origins dating back to 1800 BCE. I'm not talking about how "we know Judaism today" that's irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the Jews of then still determined Jewishness by going through the mother to the son in terms of genetics. Judaism 101 Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' So? You are ignoring and not explaining why this means that Gentiles get to use the OT. Maybe the confusion is in the words that I'm using. Here's how I'm using these words. Christianity - A religion that formulated in 325 CE. proto-Christianities - A diverse set of religions that focuses on Jesus as it's primary leader/instructor and contains an element or elements that influenced what became Christianity directly or indirectly. Judaism - A religion that formulated after the Fall of the Second Temple in response to the destruction of the Second Temple and to the proto-Christian movements. Hebrew religions or proto-Judaism. - A diverse set of religions who's sole unifying feature is that they claim to be part of the Mosaic Covenant. Some of these sects went on to influence what became Judaism.
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