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 Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:00 am
Hester Peche elyzia Hester Peche elyzia ecopper12 No. If you're brain is still not fully formed at 18, you don't want to ******** up the process by drinking. You can wait 3 more years. People's brains on average have reached adult maturity by the age of 16... Actually, that's not true. The brain goes through significant changes and development up until the mid-20s. Most people don't reach full adult maturitiy of the brain until about 25. That's why teenagers often have such bad reactions to things like anti-depressants and young people tend to do very stupid things. The part pd their brain that controls inhibition and rational thought isn't fully developed yet and won't be developed until their 20s. I too have heard that 25 is the age that many of the most recent studies are citing as the age at which a person's brain as finally matured... But some recent studies are also saying 35, & some are saying 12. Over the past century, there have been TONS & tons of studies conducted on that same exact topic; & the overwhelming majority of the studies conducted throughout the past decades in nearly every country in the world have concluded that the human brain has for the most part fully matured at the age of 16. That said, the majority of studies have also concluded that the brain undergos minor developments for a couple years (or perhaps more) past the age of 16, but that after 16 the ways in which the brain develops are just that: minor, & pretty much irrelevant to their ability to function cognitively at a completely mature & adult level. &, people of every age sometimes have bad reactions to anti-depressants. & people who are 16 & over honestly don't necessarily make less stupid decisions than adults. & to the extent that they do, it's in such a way that seems to directly point to a lack of experience with life & acquired knowledge, as opposed to a lack of psychological cognitive maturity. Well, recent studies at that have been researching the brain over the teenage years have concluded that the brain goes under significant changes, particularly after 18. The human frontal-lobe--which is the part of the brain which controls rational thought, distinguishing between good and bad and proper social behaviour--isn't fully developed until the mid-20s. So, actually some decisions made when young can be attributed to that. Particularly the ones where self-control are involved. Also, some studies have shown that people who drink at a younger age are more likely to develop things like depression later in life. 
Okay, first of all, there's no part of your brain that's hardwired to distinguish between "good" & "bad" & "proper social behaviour"... To say that the more people's brains mature the more their understanding of what's "right" & what's "wrong" cognitively develops is just ridiculous. "Right" & "wrong" is subjective & learned; & if you don't believe in that then I'm surprised you'd believe in science enough at all to care what any studies say.
... Anyway, though, since you seem to know all about & trust so much these modern studies of the brain & whatnot, of ALL the many, many different functions of the Frontal Lobe, why is it apparently ONLY the one or two most culturally & societally convenient things it controls that aren't fully matured until you're 25 or whatever? It seems people have already made up their mind that young people are morons & do such & such wrong, & now people are exploiting science to pseudo-"prove" it. Much more critical & widespread functions that occur throughout the frontal lobe ("rational thought" is limited to the prefrontal cortex) than the things you mentioned (the last two of which aren't even relevant to your actual brain) are your ability to move any part of your body voluntarily, your entire personality, your entire spectra of emotions, a large part of your ability to remember anything, the entirety of your ability to make & follow through on plans, & a large part of your ability to remember & use language / communicate. Impulse control is another very significant function of the Frontal Lobe, so perhaps you somehow confused "rational thought" with "impulsive control"? Sounds like if society decided to pick a characteristic of young people that "wasn't fully developed cognitively" or whatever it would be that.
Then again, according to your logic neither one of us are old enough to make any smart decisions or think rationally, so why bother speaking at all if you're so convinced that those studies are right? rofl
I'm not trying to be mean or whatever -- I seriously am curious as to what your answer is.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:38 am
I think that the drinking age is fine where it is, and so is the driving and voting age. Maybe enlistment should raise, but I am not the most knowledgable in that field XP
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:50 am
I'm going to go with the unpopular option, and say that perhaps it should be considered. A few years ago a close friend of mine was involved in arguing the case for Scotland to not raise its drinking age from 18 to 21, as was planned. All it would have done is incriminate more people as drinking underage, and I don't believe that it would really cut down the number of people who do drink.
One of the main arguments she used against it also, was that America's drinking age is already 21. This has done nothing to help the rates of alcoholism and underage drinking. By comparison, the majority of mainland Europe have drinking ages that are 18 or younger, as far as I know. These countries do not have a reputation for alcoholism, and yet the younger generation are allowed to drink sooner. This means that there's no longer the thrill of doing something you're not allowed to do, and they can also learn how to drink responsibly from a younger age, rather than rebelling while at university and getting absolutely smashed.
Another issue is not the age that people can drink at, but the culture that people are brought up in. A large amount of student culture here is drinking, and in particular drinking to excess. It's expected of you to go out and get drunk, and you're considered abnormal if you don't do this. Therefore, initially lowering the drinking age might not make it better, but I think eventually people may learn at a younger age how to drink responsibly, though it would take some time.
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:58 pm
Synical Dreamer ~  ~ _________________________ No it should really not be lowered. There's enough drunk people in America and we don't need younger, less responsible people getting into that stuff.
There's enough teenagers that drink illegally xp _________________________ 
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:30 pm
No. I don't think it would be beneficial at all. I don't think legal drinking age should be determined by age at all, but I would keep it around 21.
In 1972, Maine lowered the drinking age minimum to 18 years old. They raised it back up a few years later because drunk driving accidents quadrupled, I believe. I doubt lowering it now, given our current society in which most people have already participated in underage drinking would be beneficial in any way.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:55 pm
I've got to say being in a country where the drinking age is 18 I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
18 is when you move out and go to University and you end up in a city with a bunch of young people and you want to socialise at bars or pubs and drinking is a part of that. I don't think that people get any more drunk at University here than they do in America, at least not from what I hear. I only drink socially, I don't get drunk particularly often and as an 19 year old I feel like I can make that decision for myself. I know if the drinking age here was raised to 21 there'd be something of a divide, older students (and those who ignore the age limit) against younger students. People would feel pressured into illegal drinking and I reckon that people who did decide to drink would drink more for the fun of it.
I dunno, just my thoughts on it
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:31 pm
elyzia Okay, first of all, there's no part of your brain that's hardwired to distinguish between "good" & "bad" & "proper social behaviour"... To say that the more people's brains mature the more their understanding of what's "right" & what's "wrong" cognitively develops is just ridiculous. "Right" & "wrong" is subjective & learned; & if you don't believe in that then I'm surprised you'd believe in science enough at all to care what any studies say. ... Anyway, though, since you seem to know all about & trust so much these modern studies of the brain & whatnot, of ALL the many, many different functions of the Frontal Lobe, why is it apparently ONLY the one or two most culturally & societally convenient things it controls that aren't fully matured until you're 25 or whatever? It seems people have already made up their mind that young people are morons & do such & such wrong, & now people are exploiting science to pseudo-"prove" it. Much more critical & widespread functions that occur throughout the frontal lobe ("rational thought" is limited to the prefrontal cortex) than the things you mentioned (the last two of which aren't even relevant to your actual brain) are your ability to move any part of your body voluntarily, your entire personality, your entire spectra of emotions, a large part of your ability to remember anything, the entirety of your ability to make & follow through on plans, & a large part of your ability to remember & use language / communicate. Impulse control is another very significant function of the Frontal Lobe, so perhaps you somehow confused "rational thought" with "impulsive control"? Sounds like if society decided to pick a characteristic of young people that "wasn't fully developed cognitively" or whatever it would be that. Then again, according to your logic neither one of us are old enough to make any smart decisions or think rationally, so why bother speaking at all if you're so convinced that those studies are right? rofl I'm not trying to be mean or whatever -- I seriously am curious as to what your answer is. Lol I love it when people start grabbing at straws to cover up and or defend their wrong answers. I love how you think you're right. Where's your citations and proof to show that you are right over her information? As far as I see it, your just being a sulky brat because you're not getting your way. Ok I'm going to pick at this piece by piece. Hester The human frontal-lobe--which is the part of the brain which controls rational thought, distinguishing between good and bad and proper social behaviour--isn't fully developed until the mid-20s. You Okay, first of all, there's no part of your brain that's hardwired to distinguish between "good" & "bad" & "proper social behaviour"... ......You can't seem to read clearly. Or you just don't know what rational thought is. So here's a great explanation for you. Definition of Rational Thinking Rational thinking refers to logical or reasoning being involved in the thought process. It refers to providing reasons or rational behind thoughts or ideas. It adds an element of calculation and planning to a steam of thoughts rather then basing them on emotion or personal opinion . It is a kind of objective process of thinking and an analytic approach to any problem. Rational thinking is based on reasons or facts and is hence much more calculating and realistic. All people are capable of thinking rationally, but people will tend to cloud this ability because of emotions or prejudices. If you have ever had a chance to read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's character of Sherlock Holmes the concept of rational thinking will be far clearer. His logic is always based on facts rather than preconceived notions. You To say that the more people's brains mature the more their understanding of what's "right" & what's "wrong" cognitively develops is just ridiculous. How so? When you grow, so does your brain. A child does not instinctively know "right" from "wrong" at birth. And as you grow into teenagers "right" and "wrong" it not always clear either. When you grow as an adult, you can look back on your life and go, "Damn, some of the stuff I did wasn't right." Where as when you're a teen or child, your brain isn't fully devolped enough to to process that. You "Right" & "wrong" is subjective & learned; & if you don't believe in that then I'm surprised you'd believe in science enough at all to care what any studies say. You better re-read her quote again hun. Nowhere in her posts does it say that it all just pops into a persons head in their 20's. It developes over time but isn't fully developed until then. Therefore a person can know it, but their full comprihension and understanding of such isn't always clear until their twenties. You ... Anyway, though, since you seem to know all about & trust so much these modern studies of the brain & whatnot, of ALL the many, many different functions of the Frontal Lobe, why is it apparently ONLY the one or two most culturally & societally convenient things it controls that aren't fully matured until you're 25 or whatever? At bolded part: I'm guessing your information is old and outdated then since you seem to know nothing about modern information. You should be updated with todays information hun. And the reason it isn't fully matured is because your brain isn't finished growing until your 20's. You It seems people have already made up their mind that young people are morons & do such & such wrong, & now people are exploiting science to pseudo-"prove" it. "People are exploiting science to falsly 'prove' it." ....Hmmm.......... I wouldn't say morons, just under educated and a bit irrational. You Much more critical & widespread functions that occur throughout the frontal lobe ("rational thought" is limited to the prefrontal cortex) than the things you mentioned (the last two of which aren't even relevant to your actual brain) are your ability to move any part of your body voluntarily, your entire personality, your entire spectra of emotions, a large part of your ability to remember anything, the entirety of your ability to make & follow through on plans, & a large part of your ability to remember & use language / communicate. =3= Just go here and re-educate yourself: http://www.brainhealthandpuzzles.com/brain_parts_function.htmlYou can be immoble and still think rationally dear. You Impulse control is another very significant function of the Frontal Lobe, so perhaps you somehow confused "rational thought" with "impulsive control"? I doubt that. XD Perhaps you have. You Sounds like if society decided to pick a characteristic of young people that "wasn't fully developed cognitively" or whatever it would be that. No, since people can be impulsive at any age. Rationality is more of a "think it through" thing then just an "OMG Let's do it!" thing. Definition of Impulse An impulse is a wish or urge, particularly a sudden one. It can be considered as a normal and fundamental part of human thought processes, but also one that can become problematic, as in a condition like obsessive-compulsive disorder. The ability to control impulses, or more specifically control the desire to act on them, is an important factor in personality and socialization. Deferred gratification, also known as impulse control, is an example of this, concerning impulses primarily relating to things that a person wants or desires. You Then again, according to your logic neither one of us are old enough to make any smart decisions or think rationally, so why bother speaking at all if you're so convinced that those studies are right? Again you read her posts wrong. And her information is right compared to yours. Again show your proof if you're oh so right. You I'm not trying to be mean or whatever -- I seriously am curious as to what your answer is. Your sentence above suggests otherwise dear. You come off as a snarky little brat that doesn't want to be wrong. As for your original question: Quote: do you think the drinking age in the United States should be lowered? Why or why not? No I do not. There is no real good reason for it to be lowered or rasied. Now if society in your country was more like that in Europe where drinking is more relaxed and you are taught responsibility of it at an early age, (Most families allow a small glass of wine with each meal to their older children and teens), then I could see it being lowered. But because education of quantity versus body weight in comsumption isn't taught as it should be (unless you take a servers course), people will make bad judgements and go on impulse drives to drink more then they should at times.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:52 pm
Yes. I think it should be lowered to 18 mostly because of the fact your old enough to die for you country but not old enough to drink.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:57 pm
broken_bleeding_angel elyzia Okay, first of all, there's no part of your brain that's hardwired to distinguish between "good" & "bad" & "proper social behaviour"... To say that the more people's brains mature the more their understanding of what's "right" & what's "wrong" cognitively develops is just ridiculous. "Right" & "wrong" is subjective & learned; & if you don't believe in that then I'm surprised you'd believe in science enough at all to care what any studies say. ... Anyway, though, since you seem to know all about & trust so much these modern studies of the brain & whatnot, of ALL the many, many different functions of the Frontal Lobe, why is it apparently ONLY the one or two most culturally & societally convenient things it controls that aren't fully matured until you're 25 or whatever? It seems people have already made up their mind that young people are morons & do such & such wrong, & now people are exploiting science to pseudo-"prove" it. Much more critical & widespread functions that occur throughout the frontal lobe ("rational thought" is limited to the prefrontal cortex) than the things you mentioned (the last two of which aren't even relevant to your actual brain) are your ability to move any part of your body voluntarily, your entire personality, your entire spectra of emotions, a large part of your ability to remember anything, the entirety of your ability to make & follow through on plans, & a large part of your ability to remember & use language / communicate. Impulse control is another very significant function of the Frontal Lobe, so perhaps you somehow confused "rational thought" with "impulsive control"? Sounds like if society decided to pick a characteristic of young people that "wasn't fully developed cognitively" or whatever it would be that. Then again, according to your logic neither one of us are old enough to make any smart decisions or think rationally, so why bother speaking at all if you're so convinced that those studies are right? rofl I'm not trying to be mean or whatever -- I seriously am curious as to what your answer is. Lol I love it when people start grabbing at straws to cover up and or defend their wrong answers. I love how you think you're right. Where's your citations and proof to show that you are right over her information? As far as I see it, your just being a sulky brat because you're not getting your way. Ok I'm going to pick at this piece by piece. Hester The human frontal-lobe--which is the part of the brain which controls rational thought, distinguishing between good and bad and proper social behaviour--isn't fully developed until the mid-20s. You Okay, first of all, there's no part of your brain that's hardwired to distinguish between "good" & "bad" & "proper social behaviour"... ......You can't seem to read clearly. Or you just don't know what rational thought is. So here's a great explanation for you. Definition of Rational Thinking Rational thinking refers to logical or reasoning being involved in the thought process. It refers to providing reasons or rational behind thoughts or ideas. It adds an element of calculation and planning to a steam of thoughts rather then basing them on emotion or personal opinion . It is a kind of objective process of thinking and an analytic approach to any problem. Rational thinking is based on reasons or facts and is hence much more calculating and realistic. All people are capable of thinking rationally, but people will tend to cloud this ability because of emotions or prejudices. If you have ever had a chance to read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's character of Sherlock Holmes the concept of rational thinking will be far clearer. His logic is always based on facts rather than preconceived notions. You To say that the more people's brains mature the more their understanding of what's "right" & what's "wrong" cognitively develops is just ridiculous. How so? When you grow, so does your brain. A child does not instinctively know "right" from "wrong" at birth. And as you grow into teenagers "right" and "wrong" it not always clear either. When you grow as an adult, you can look back on your life and go, "Damn, some of the stuff I did wasn't right." Where as when you're a teen or child, your brain isn't fully devolped enough to to process that. You "Right" & "wrong" is subjective & learned; & if you don't believe in that then I'm surprised you'd believe in science enough at all to care what any studies say. You better re-read her quote again hun. Nowhere in her posts does it say that it all just pops into a persons head in their 20's. It developes over time but isn't fully developed until then. Therefore a person can know it, but their full comprihension and understanding of such isn't always clear until their twenties. You ... Anyway, though, since you seem to know all about & trust so much these modern studies of the brain & whatnot, of ALL the many, many different functions of the Frontal Lobe, why is it apparently ONLY the one or two most culturally & societally convenient things it controls that aren't fully matured until you're 25 or whatever? At bolded part: I'm guessing your information is old and outdated then since you seem to know nothing about modern information. You should be updated with todays information hun. And the reason it isn't fully matured is because your brain isn't finished growing until your 20's. You It seems people have already made up their mind that young people are morons & do such & such wrong, & now people are exploiting science to pseudo-"prove" it. "People are exploiting science to falsly 'prove' it." ....Hmmm.......... I wouldn't say morons, just under educated and a bit irrational. You Much more critical & widespread functions that occur throughout the frontal lobe ("rational thought" is limited to the prefrontal cortex) than the things you mentioned (the last two of which aren't even relevant to your actual brain) are your ability to move any part of your body voluntarily, your entire personality, your entire spectra of emotions, a large part of your ability to remember anything, the entirety of your ability to make & follow through on plans, & a large part of your ability to remember & use language / communicate. =3= Just go here and re-educate yourself: http://www.brainhealthandpuzzles.com/brain_parts_function.htmlYou can be immoble and still think rationally dear. You Impulse control is another very significant function of the Frontal Lobe, so perhaps you somehow confused "rational thought" with "impulsive control"? I doubt that. XD Perhaps you have. You Sounds like if society decided to pick a characteristic of young people that "wasn't fully developed cognitively" or whatever it would be that. No, since people can be impulsive at any age. Rationality is more of a "think it through" thing then just an "OMG Let's do it!" thing. Definition of Impulse An impulse is a wish or urge, particularly a sudden one. It can be considered as a normal and fundamental part of human thought processes, but also one that can become problematic, as in a condition like obsessive-compulsive disorder. The ability to control impulses, or more specifically control the desire to act on them, is an important factor in personality and socialization. Deferred gratification, also known as impulse control, is an example of this, concerning impulses primarily relating to things that a person wants or desires. You Then again, according to your logic neither one of us are old enough to make any smart decisions or think rationally, so why bother speaking at all if you're so convinced that those studies are right? Again you read her posts wrong. And her information is right compared to yours. Again show your proof if you're oh so right. You I'm not trying to be mean or whatever -- I seriously am curious as to what your answer is. Your sentence above suggests otherwise dear. You come off as a snarky little brat that doesn't want to be wrong. As for your original question: Quote: do you think the drinking age in the United States should be lowered? Why or why not? No I do not. There is no real good reason for it to be lowered or rasied. Now if society in your country was more like that in Europe where drinking is more relaxed and you are taught responsibility of it at an early age, (Most families allow a small glass of wine with each meal to their older children and teens), then I could see it being lowered. But because education of quantity versus body weight in comsumption isn't taught as it should be (unless you take a servers course), people will make bad judgements and go on impulse drives to drink more then they should at times. Um, excuse me? Did you NOT read the big huge announcement at the top of this subforum about how absolutely no drama & flamming & s**t is allowed? Apparently not... &, great, wow, you're freaking out at me for not giving you a billion citations & links & whatnot, but all YOU did was link to ONE website. CLEARLY if ONE WEBSITE says something it MUST be correct. I don't need to cite s**t, kiddo. Recently I've been undergoing extremely detailed & thorough testing & evaluation with some of the best neurologists in the country to determine whether or not I have lasting, significant brain damage in my Frontal Lobe from being thrown through a windshield at 70 mph & landing in a different STATE (not mental state, state as in one of the 50 states in the US), & hitting the upper-forehead area of my face so hard against the interstate that I've had to have numerous surgerys to remove road debris from my fatty tissue. The information I was giving there I didn't read on some ******** website; I learned it through Neurologists & break-through mTBI testing for potential lasting brain damage. So if YOU graduated from Med school, or have one tiny portion of the real life experience with experts whose job it is to know about & treat problems that correspond exactly with the subject matter at hand, THEN perhaps you won't look absolutely ridiculous when you call ME names for being "ignorant" & "dumb".
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:58 am
broken_bleeding_angel ......You can't seem to read clearly. Or you just don't know what rational thought is. So here's a great explanation for you. Definition of Rational Thinking Rational thinking refers to logical or reasoning being involved in the thought process. It refers to providing reasons or rational behind thoughts or ideas. It adds an element of calculation and planning to a steam of thoughts rather then basing them on emotion or personal opinion . It is a kind of objective process of thinking and an analytic approach to any problem. Rational thinking is based on reasons or facts and is hence much more calculating and realistic. All people are capable of thinking rationally, but people will tend to cloud this ability because of emotions or prejudices. If you have ever had a chance to read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's character of Sherlock Holmes the concept of rational thinking will be far clearer. His logic is always based on facts rather than preconceived notions. You To say that the more people's brains mature the more their understanding of what's "right" & what's "wrong" cognitively develops is just ridiculous. How so? When you grow, so does your brain. A child does not instinctively know "right" from "wrong" at birth. And as you grow into teenagers "right" and "wrong" it not always clear either. When you grow as an adult, you can look back on your life and go, "Damn, some of the stuff I did wasn't right." Where as when you're a teen or child, your brain isn't fully devolped enough to to process that. I think the point here was that this is more from your experience in life, doing something and finding that the results are bad, rather that children and teens' brains being underdeveloped to work that out. Quote: You Much more critical & widespread functions that occur throughout the frontal lobe ("rational thought" is limited to the prefrontal cortex) than the things you mentioned (the last two of which aren't even relevant to your actual brain) are your ability to move any part of your body voluntarily, your entire personality, your entire spectra of emotions, a large part of your ability to remember anything, the entirety of your ability to make & follow through on plans, & a large part of your ability to remember & use language / communicate. =3= Just go here and re-educate yourself: http://www.brainhealthandpuzzles.com/brain_parts_function.htmlYou can be immoble and still think rationally dear. Not that I'd use wiki as a perfectly reliable source, but the fontal lobe is a very large section of the brain. Not only that, but as far as I understand, the brain isn't simply split up into individual sections which do defined tasks, but some areas for the same task are spread throughout different parts within the brain. The point here, if I understood correctly, was that "Why does this tiny part of the frontal lobe develop so slowly, while all the other parts aren't mentioned?" According to wiki, this is within the frontal lobe, relevant to voluntary movement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_motor_cortexI'm not sure what the "You can be immobile and still think rationally" comment was referring to - saying that they couldn't possibly be in the same region of the brain because otherwise you wouldn't be able to do one without the other? Quote: You Then again, according to your logic neither one of us are old enough to make any smart decisions or think rationally, so why bother speaking at all if you're so convinced that those studies are right? Again you read her posts wrong. And her information is right compared to yours. Again show your proof if you're oh so right. Hester That's why teenagers often have such bad reactions to things like anti-depressants and young people tend to do very stupid things. To me, this sounds like Hester was saying anyone under 20 tends to do stupid things, because their brains aren't fully developed. To return to the initial topic, I'm don't know the precise effects of drinking to the brain, but if it's so drastic, then are you saying French children who are brought up drinking wine, will screw up their brains and never be able to think rationally? Again, the problem is not drinking alcohol itself, but that drinking to excess is so culturally ingrained. I'm not sure how many people in America already drink underage, but would more people start drinking irrresponsibly if the age was lowered? If someone's already too drunk, bartenders can refuse to sell them any more alcohol. A large part of drinking here, at least before you reach 18, is just because it's not allowed.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:02 am
Quote: Um, excuse me? Did you NOT read the big huge announcement at the top of this subforum about how absolutely no drama & flamming & s**t is allowed? Apparently not... Apparently you didn't either when you last commented Hester. Quote: &, great, wow, you're freaking out at me for not giving you a billion citations & links & whatnot, but all YOU did was link to ONE website. CLEARLY if ONE WEBSITE says something it MUST be correct. Ummm, where is it that I am "freaking out" over you not having any? I said show them for proof not "OMG you're a liar!". What's the deal with you and capping words to make a point? Yes one website to reference from and to read. I'm not sending 20. Quote: I don't need to cite s**t, kiddo. For a debate such as this, you do hun. Quote: Recently I've been undergoing extremely detailed & thorough testing & evaluation with some of the best neurologists in the country to determine whether or not I have lasting, significant brain damage in my Frontal Lobe from being thrown through a windshield at 70 mph & landing in a different STATE (not mental state, state as in one of the 50 states in the US), & hitting the upper-forehead area of my face so hard against the interstate that I've had to have numerous surgerys to remove road debris from my fatty tissue. Wow that's great, but again, if there is no citations and what not for other people to see, it's just technically "your word" against other information. Quote: The information I was giving there I didn't read on some ******** website; I learned it through Neurologists & break-through mTBI testing for potential lasting brain damage. Yeah I didn't learn my stuff on a website either. Quote: So if YOU graduated from Med school, or have one tiny portion of the real life experience with experts whose job it is to know about & treat problems that correspond exactly with the subject matter at hand, THEN perhaps you won't look absolutely ridiculous when you call ME names for being "ignorant" & "dumb". Oh I do have experience. But where in my posts have I exactly called you "Ignorant" and "dumb"?
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:54 am
Froggy I'm not sure what the "You can be immobile and still think rationally" comment was referring to - saying that they couldn't possibly be in the same region of the brain because otherwise you wouldn't be able to do one without the other? I was refering to paraplegic's, Huntingtons disease and Parkinson's disease. All of these which affect the mind and body. But I get everything else you're saying.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:15 am
this is sad.... You Hester The human frontal-lobe--which is the part of the brain which controls rational thought, distinguishing between good and bad and proper social behaviour--isn't fully developed until the mid-20s. elyzia Okay, first of all, there's no part of your brain that's hardwired to distinguish between "good" & "bad" & "proper social behaviour"... ......You can't seem to read clearly. Or you just don't know what rational thought is. First off, it wasn't that she wasn't reading correctly, it was that she was denying Hester's information. You You come off as a snarky little brat that doesn't want to be wrong. As far as I see it, your just being a sulky brat because you're not getting your way. This could heavily be described as flaming/drama you know... You But where in my posts have I exactly called you "Ignorant" and "dumb"? And also although you didn't call elyiza ignorant directly, it was heavily implied You Apparently you didn't either when you last commented Hester. Are you kidding? Kayla wasn't flaming her, just making a stong defence in the arguement/debate. You are clearly insulting elyzia and flaming. [also, elyzia being the captain of the guild, I am assuming that she played a large, if not all, part in writing that thread about drama and such. So I think she would know the diffirence] rolleyes But I don't want ot be sucked into this so I will just leave it at that..... sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:34 pm
I just wanted to add that the drinking (and buying) age where I live is 18 and though I can't really compare it, I don't feel like we particularly have any problems because of it. Sure there are going to be people who abuse alcohol but they would probably do it if it was legal or not.
I guess the most obvious issue is teens drunk driving but last year at least we had more people killed by elderly drivers than by teens, sober or otherwise.
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:28 pm
I think that the drinking age should be lowered; but then the driving age should be raised. And here's my reasoning, although many can contradict me:
In Europe, for example, Spain, the drinking age is very low--yet no stories hit world news about all of these grade school children going overboard with the alcohol. I think that the reasoning behind this can be explained psychologically in this MM example:
First, think of an MM in front of you, or any chocolate you like. Your mouth begins to water, correct? Now, imagine yourself eating 30 MM's one after another. Now, I'm guessing that your mouth isn't as watery as when you only imagined one; and this connects to the lowered drinking age because the availability of drinks to minors is like having a large bowl of MM's in front of, say, a 16-year-old who is used to always having an MM bowl in front of him/her, because that desire to drink has been nullified by early and prolonged exposure to such.
A drawback to immediately lowering the drinking age, though, is that youngsters of the US are still thinking of just one MM when the new law change is set... So they'll go crazy until they feel the consequences of drinking too many drinks at a bar, of eating one too many MM's. & if the driving age is still at where it was before, then that one-too-many-MM's feeling goes behind the wheel.
So while the drinking age can have many opinions, I do think that the the driving age should never be able to go hand in hand with the former.
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