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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:05 pm
Alito was confirmed. It was 58 to 42
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:12 pm
Planned Parenthood must be in an uproar.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:18 pm
Oh, you better believe it.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:14 pm
lymelady Planned Parenthood must be in an uproar. I'm surprised everyone isn't. He's a bad choice, not just for people who support choice... but for anyone who supports civil rights in general. As I said earlier... If a pro-lifer is willing to sacrifice the rights of minorities, their own constitutionally protected rights, and generally put such an extreme man into the courts just because they want to stop abortion... they are either stupid (ie not realizing that a more central pro-life candidate could have been picked, or not realizing that the supreme court will rule on far more issues than just abortion that *will* affect them), or terribly cruel (willing to hurt countless other people just to stop abortions).
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:24 pm
I singled out Planned Parenthood because they were frantic about him.
I don't know much about Alito, so I don't have a strong opinion on it. Unfortunately, people made such a big deal over his abortion views there wasn't much about the rest of his views. It was all, "OMG SAVE ROE!!!" which completely switched the focus. So, I guess people who support life aren't really being given anything to be in an uproar over.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:27 pm
From what I saw, he looked like a good choice. He seemed like he was doing what judges are supposed to do; Make judgements based directly off the law.
And please don't say, "people who support choice;" We -all- support choice; You just seek to make choosing abortion legal.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:31 pm
Talon-chan lymelady Planned Parenthood must be in an uproar. I'm surprised everyone isn't. He's a bad choice, not just for people who support choice... but for anyone who supports civil rights in general. As I said earlier... If a pro-lifer is willing to sacrifice the rights of minorities, their own constitutionally protected rights, and generally put such an extreme man into the courts just because they want to stop abortion... they are either stupid (ie not realizing that a more central pro-life candidate could have been picked, or not realizing that the supreme court will rule on far more issues than just abortion that *will* affect them), or terribly cruel (willing to hurt countless other people just to stop abortions). I think its sad that you cling to such a half truth. The case you spoke of was not the whoel thing. Yes, she was black, yes, she came ot him claimng charges of being turned away from a job because she was black, but that was not the case. Turne dout she wasn't qualified, and there is more then anough evidence to proove it. As well, simply because things don't always fall in favor with minorities dosn't mean the guys up state are against them. EDITED: I made a mistake, she wasn't even hired.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:41 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle I think its sad that you cling to such a half truth. The case you spoke of was not the whoel thing. Yes, she was black, yes, she came ot him claimng charges of being layed off for being black, but that was not the case. Turne dout she wasn't doing her job liek she was supposed to, and thats why she was layed off. As well, simply because things don't always fall in favor with minorities dosn't mean the guys up state are against them. Seriously. And, given all the "gangster" rappers, and the "gangster" life style, would it be all that surprising if minorities really -are- more likely to do illegal things? Not because of their skin color, but because of peer pressure, because their rolemodels glorify that life? I am good friends with a few black people. But most of the black people on my campus are -jerks-, not because they are black, but because they -chose- to be jerks.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:45 pm
I wonder what MLKjr would think of it all...
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:18 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle I wonder what MLKjr would think of it all... I'm guessing you watch The Boondocks? Pretty much like that is my guess. At least about the whole black rapper deal. To sum it up for people who didn't see it, there was an episode of The Boondocks in which MLK jr didn't die, but rather went into a coma, and then woke up in modern days; Long story short, he was pissed when he found out about the whole black-rapper, gangster lifestyle, "bitches and hos" thing.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:49 pm
The episode actualy impressed me. I usially don't watch the show, but when I heard about that episode I had to see it.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:56 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Talon-chan lymelady Planned Parenthood must be in an uproar. I'm surprised everyone isn't. He's a bad choice, not just for people who support choice... but for anyone who supports civil rights in general. As I said earlier... If a pro-lifer is willing to sacrifice the rights of minorities, their own constitutionally protected rights, and generally put such an extreme man into the courts just because they want to stop abortion... they are either stupid (ie not realizing that a more central pro-life candidate could have been picked, or not realizing that the supreme court will rule on far more issues than just abortion that *will* affect them), or terribly cruel (willing to hurt countless other people just to stop abortions). I think its sad that you cling to such a half truth. The case you spoke of was not the whoel thing. Yes, she was black, yes, she came ot him claimng charges of being turned away from a job because she was black, but that was not the case. Turne dout she wasn't qualified, and there is more then anough evidence to proove it. As well, simply because things don't always fall in favor with minorities dosn't mean the guys up state are against them. EDITED: I made a mistake, she wasn't even hired. I think his stating that a warrent for a man and his home makes it acceptable to strip searching a woman and her ten year old daughter proves my point about him being a bad choice. I disagree with more than just one of his decisions. And if you've got a source that asserts what you say (that the black woman was truly unqualified) I'd like to see it, because from what I've read thus far I'm led to believe I'm not "clinging to half truthes" but that his judgements where he's dissented have been quite... disturbing (especially with the strip search case)
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:01 pm
Man, he sounds like a jerk. Not to be rude, but do you have sources? I'm interested in reading more about it.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:26 pm
lymelady Man, he sounds like a jerk. Not to be rude, but do you have sources? I'm interested in reading more about it. I've cited the cases on the first page in my first post in this thread. I'll google some sources if you like to add more than just the case name and what he dissented. http://www.civilrights.org/issues/nominations/details.cfm?id=39285 this is slightly biased (in that it says what alito ruled was against the law and made no attempt to hide that it was against the constituion), but goes into a decent amount of detail as to what his dissent was (just a summary) and why it is felt it was wrong by other judges (again mostly in summary). The page itself is likely biased, but it didn't seem to scream "we hate alito" with the tone of most of it. http://www.asksam.com/cgi-bin/as_web6.exe?Command=DocName&File=Alito_Opinions&Name=Doe v. Groody this is the legal documentation of judgement and dissent, not exactly the epitome of easy reading, but if you wanted it right out of his own mouth, as well as what the other judges had to say, it's there.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:01 pm
Oh I know, but I'm asking for your sources because nothing I find on these seems out of the ordinary. There was an affidavit giving officers leave to search the other occupants if it was warranted. In the case with the hotel worker, there wasn't sufficient evidence that it was due to her race. I want to know where you're getting your information from because I can't find anything here that worries me. The worst I can find are bad opinions of him, but they're sadly lacking the backing in fact that would persuade me to take them seriously since they leave out most of the information. I'm just wondering if you can find better sources than I can.
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