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 Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:52 pm
Heh... I'm aware Roy isn't that great of a lord character in FE, stat-wise. He promotes far too late. However, stats don't make the character. You can have a godly character with a shitty personality just as often as characters with piss-poor stats and a remarkable personality. It's really all up to preference.
Best: Lord Hector of FE7. Sole axe lord in the series, strong growths, good personality... Can't really go wrong with him. It's a little tough to raise him due to the lack of lance users early in the game besides your cavalry, and his promotion basically gives him weakness to knight-slaying weapons like the hammer or heavy spear. But allowing him proficiency with the sword and his high con allows him to counter against both weapons, and his spd eventually does allow him to double against most enemies. Res is a bit lacking, but it's not shabby.
Worst: Princess Eirika of FE8. I don't have anything against sword lords, but when she promotes, she doesn't gain any proficiency in new weapon classes, she gains a weakness (horse, which means halberds, horseslayers, and longswords are super effective), and her con is too low to make any good out of the stronger, heavier swords to try to at least counter some of her weaknesses. The only stat I have seen her consistently cap on any playthrough is speed which at times can help her when using heavy weapons (only slightly). Her str is abysmal, at best. Her defenses are average, though def is lacking compared to res. And don't even get me started on her personality...
Note: This is drawn from data from my own experience. Both are 20/20 lords by endgame. Hector capped str, skill, spd, and def, whereas Eirika only got spd and skill. No items were used to enhance stats on either of them at this point.
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:46 pm
Factoring in SoS for Roy and post-promotion makes sense, but basing the entire judgment upon it is... less agreeable. He gets it for all of, what, three chapters or so? And he can turn out to be a liability for the entirety of the game up until that point. I mean, he's unpromoted when you're being swarmed by Wyvern Lords and in need of eliminating a bitchin' General who breaks the HP cap. Not cool.
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:50 pm
Actually, I never had to worry about Roy being swarmed. I dunno, just never had a situation like that. I was more worried about Niime or someone dying or getting berserk'd. Yes, not even in hard mode.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:18 am
I like how this has become a discussion of Roy: Pimpin lowstatlord. biggrin
To go the personality route, I think I would nominate Lyn as my least favorite Lord so far. Why? Well, she very much acts like a generic character to me at times, even when she has a very specific past. Her story was primarily a tutorial for those who had never played Fire Emblem before. Despite how hax she becomes at the end of the game, I found that after her story was done, she was just... not needed there. A superfluous Lord. She tasted of cardboard to me save at very select times, and made me very sad indeed because a badass nomad no-nonsense chick is an awesome idea. They aaaaalllmooost did it. But not perfectly. This also might be my REALLY a**l LITERARY CRIT POWERS at work though.
I still say Hector is the best in terms of personality. His attitude ranges the full spectrum. And his snoring shook the rafters of numbers class when he was a kid. 8D
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:25 am
...I don't see how getting a horse upon promotion constitutes as a weakness, Roy. neutral
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:36 am
...Except this isn't on personality. The poll is for who you think is the best/worst lord character as a unit.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:15 am
And I voted based on the final character's power in the first place. If this was personality, Roy would still be best but Eirika would be least. Sorry, but I don't see how Eirika is the worst lord in terms of power when she promotes. She's never as tough as Ephraim, but she's OKAY. I hate her more than Lyn in terms of personality, and that's saying something!
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:28 pm
xDemonhornzx Actually, I never had to worry about Roy being swarmed. I dunno, just never had a situation like that. I was more worried about Niime or someone dying or getting berserk'd. Yes, not even in hard mode. A good player never does, but that doesn't change the fact that he's pretty useless against said enemies. I never implied he would get swarmed (the only time anyone should get "swarmed" is when you drop a powerhouse in the middle of an enemy army to wipe them all out single handedly like with the bandit reinforcements from the desert chapter), but meant to suggest he's mostly useless in such a chapter. Is he going to be the unit you go to to take on the Wyvern Lords? No. Is he going to take on the boss? No. Heck, if anything, plenty of people would try NOT to use him since he'd presumably be stuck level 20 and people would rather someone capable of still getting exp. take the kills. And when a Lord is useless, that's pretty fail. I'd actually be willing to argue Niime is more valuable than Roy for a substantial portion of the game thanks to her staff level combined with her magic and the fact that Nosferatu takes care of most of her durability issues. She'd be the unit to go to if you want to use status staves. And I'm not trying to attack your opinion, by the way. Roy is totally fierce once promoted (ORKOing the final final boss FTW, I suppose) which is where you were coming from. He's just so unimpressive beforehand. I'd also just like to point out Eirika's strength growth is higher than Joshua's and the same as units such as Lyn, Rebecca, and Franz. In terms of raw growths, she's literally a completely improved version of Lyn, not having any growths lower than Lyn's, but having a few that are higher. I think we can all agree it's her personality that's abysmal.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:33 pm
Manic Martini xDemonhornzx Actually, I never had to worry about Roy being swarmed. I dunno, just never had a situation like that. I was more worried about Niime or someone dying or getting berserk'd. Yes, not even in hard mode. A good player never does, but that doesn't change the fact that he's pretty useless against said enemies. I never implied he would get swarmed, but meant to suggest he's mostly useless in such a chapter. Is he going to be the unit you go to to take on the Wyvern Lords? No. Is he going to take on the boss? No. Heck, if anything, plenty of people would try NOT to use him since he'd presumably be stuck level 20 and people would rather someone capable of still getting exp. take the kills. And when a Lord is useless, that's pretty fail. I'd actually be willing to argue Niime is more valuable than Roy for a substantial portion thanks to her staff level combined with her magic and the fact that Nosferatu takes care of most of her durability issues. Well, actually, I didn't mean Niime was useless. Coupled with Ray, she can wreak havoc with her staff abilities and heal troops at the same time. Her attack is weak and uncertain, but that can't be helped. However, she's just so frail in battle that an enemy can rush her and that'd be the end of it. As for the wyvern rush in that chapter with Gale, it's pretty much Miledy and Zeiss versus the world. They can handle all the fast enemies (with Zeiss perhaps having some Physic help) while everyone else crawls up to Murdock. For extra fun, you can berserk Gale and have him on your team (ish...) before you kill him. This paragraph has nothing to do with the conversation, but I just wanted to say that Miledy is the best hands down unit in at least Sword of Seals, especially with Malte. She may not be able to beat Great Lord Hector, but she can pretty much thrash all the other lords. When's the best unit contest?
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:38 pm
I haven't played as much Fire Emblem games like some here XD, however:
Best: Hector- I don't think I ever had an issue with Hector in the entire game, ever. He had excellent stat growths and I actually found myself having to avoid using him because he was an ax user who was fast, so he killed everything. (I seem to have an issue finding fast ax users who can actually hit and not die. Maybe I just don't like ax users O.o) He's also the only ax Lord I've seen yet, so bonus for that.
Worst: ... Hard one between Eliwood and Erika. I'm going to say Eliwood though, due to the fact that I had horrible Stat growths with him, in fact I believe Lyn ended up with a strength stat that was higher than him, and I'm not sure if that's normal. So she had capped speed, skill, had higher strength than Eliwood, and even managed to have the same defense (I think). So worst is Eliwood.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:22 pm
Queen Melethia Dagon ...Except this isn't on personality. The poll is for who you think is the best/worst lord character as a unit. ..Bluh bluh, I mistook the purpose of this poll, then. I'll change my best to Ike, but ONLY for FE9. You get him late in FE10, part 3, which makes him not effective enough as a unit for the whole game. In FE9, he's like your precious sword lord baby that you love and care and watch grow into excellence. For worst, I'm still barely going with Eirika. I just wish she didn't exist in the first place, Ephraim is such a better main lord. If you take his story, Eirika is useless as a unit and hardly useful when you get her back, and if you take her story, she's still not grand help. Innes may as well be the lord of that route. xDemonhornzx And I voted based on the final character's power in the first place. If this was personality, Roy would still be best but Eirika would be least. Sorry, but I don't see how Eirika is the worst lord in terms of power when she promotes. She's never as tough as Ephraim, but she's OKAY. I hate her more than Lyn in terms of personality, and that's saying something! This isn't voting for what a person can be at the end, it's for how the lord is as a unit throughout the game. ...You think Roy has good personality? The goody goody "paladin" speeches didn't feel like having a nail driven into your head? neutral at last statement. Manic Martini (the only time anyone should get "swarmed" is when you drop a powerhouse in the middle of an enemy army to wipe them all out single handedly like with the bandit reinforcements from the desert chapter)
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:12 pm
Bottom line - precious few Lords are useful prepromoted. In fact, I find that most of the time when they're all levelled up it simply annoys me when they get in that one situation where they steal EXP from others. But really, except for Hector, what lord is a powerhouse? I think most people could agree that they'd use another unit instead of even a decent Lord (again, given that there is no Hector!) to do the dirty work.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:00 pm
..Well, first off, no lord is prepromoted. That would mean you get them already promoted. Secondly... don't put them in that situation, then. Thirdly, Ike and Ephraim. Fourthly, I think people could agree they'd use a unit that would get the job done, regardless of being a lord or not, unless they're aiming to use a specific unit for exp purposes.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:05 pm
Actually, I do have to change my results now that I think of it
Best: Celice...he was a god for me. Those stats just went up and up
Worst: Eirika still stays here...sure she was fast, but she was too frail
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:11 pm
Kiln Aro Malac Worst: ... Hard one between Eliwood and Erika. I'm going to say Eliwood though, due to the fact that I had horrible Stat growths with him, in fact I believe Lyn ended up with a strength stat that was higher than him, and I'm not sure if that's normal. So she had capped speed, skill, had higher strength than Eliwood, and even managed to have the same defense (I think). So worst is Eliwood. It's not. :/ Here are their averages: 20/20 Eliwood: HP: 52.4 Str: 23.8 Skl: 23.5 Spd: 22.4 Def: 17.4 Res: 16.3 Luck: 24.1 20/20 Lyn: HP: 45.6 Str: 20.9 Skl: 28.7 Spd: 29.4 Def: 12.6 Res: 16.4 Luck: 25.8 Know your growth percentages and level averages. Someone having a shitty experience with a unit does not mean the unit is shitty. Oh, and on another note, Sigurd from FE4 IS a prepromoted Lord (essentially the same class as Eliwood promoted). And he's excellent. I realize not too many people have played FE4, but just throwing that out there.
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