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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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 Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:03 pm
Figuren That's so awful, and the loss on its own would be really hard. I'm so, so sorry to hear that. I don't really know what to suggest. Don't let it it control you but also be careful, please. Losing anyone, especially someone close to you, is always hard and I can only say that we can all do it in different ways. Keep yourself and his memory alive. We all care about you. I know I haven't been around that much but even so. You can message me if you like. If you want to talk, I'd like to hear. :nods, and hugs you.: thank you. i would message you if i had words to say. last night i did talk with Scarlet for a while. i think i got most of my feelings out between then and early today. still, i am wishing to go out and kill some Bloods, and it's a real struggle to keep myself in check.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:09 pm
That's understandable. You are very commendable for not perpetuating the violence.
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:13 pm
:grunts.: .... when it gets down to it, it's just tactical reasons.... and those are only being cared about because, while i admit to being somewhat of a Boss among these friends, i can't convince them not to go to war if i do just that.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Chieftain Twilight Eltanin Sadachbia Chieftain Twilight hmm... i am rather confused on this part. Quote: BUT...I do believe that God loves us infinitely so that to balance the senselessness of such deaths, those close to them are given the ability to make premature transitions mean something. Whether it is through education, or appreciation, or whatever those people closest can make of it, and it will be done with God's blessing. could you clarify, please? Well, I believe that every person has a purpose to which they are here. I don't believe anyone's purpose is to die. I do believe God loves each one of us and that we walk in His will while we fullfill the purpose He has for us... Yet, sometimes, people go against what God wants for us. Sometimes they sin and hurt people. They use their free will and choose to do what is wrong. The people who killed your friend were not doing God's purpose. I do not believe it was God's will that your friend died... at the moment, your friend's death has no purpose... Yet because I believe that God loves us, I do believe that God has given people who are left behind after such senseless deaths the ability to take the vanity away from it. You and those who were close to Mal can keep the spirit of the purpose of his recent life alive by keeping his memory in a positive and constructive way, thus turning the insanity of his death into to a new way to spread his individual light... Sorry if it's more confusing. I may need to wait for tomorrow to respond. I am stumbling on words in my head now... hmm... feels alot to me like you are trying to say that God's Will has a direct link to the way we conduct our lives on the Material World. o.o i suppose that should be what most christianity believes, but it just feels like a new concept to me. xd Well, I guess that is how it does come across, doesn't it? *Looks around for the emotes* WHERE'S MY DAMNED EMOTES! GAHHHH!!! *throws pencil at the door* Ummm, sorry... They have glitched away my only form of simulated expression, and I don't know what to do! Anyway, I do believe that God gave us free will to make our decisions to live our lives as we choose, and that it is not His will for us to have our ability to decide for ourselves taken away by the actions of others. So, in a way, we fulfill our purpose just by living, and we fulfill His purpose by loving each other. We are completely against God when we are bringing harm to others. I don't really think God's will actually conducts how we make our choices directly until we choose if we want a religion or not, and then we make our choices by what our chosen religion dictates. Even so, it isn't God directly effecting the way we live our life, it is the way our chosen religion is perceived by us that directs how we make our choices by it. Anyway, I believe our God granted free will is directly responsible for how we live our lives, and God would have it no other way. I think He has given us the tools to live our lives, and it is up to each individual to choose whether they will be constructive or destructive. I believe that It is not God's will that people choose the destructive path, but it would not be free will if we could not take that path once we chose to do so. Because God knew people would choose to be destructive, He gave everyone the tools to help mend the destruction others caused. I feel that this is proof of God's love for us. Even when we feel as though we have been abandoned, we still have these constructive abilities endowed within us.
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:57 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia Chieftain Twilight Eltanin Sadachbia Chieftain Twilight hmm... i am rather confused on this part. Quote: BUT...I do believe that God loves us infinitely so that to balance the senselessness of such deaths, those close to them are given the ability to make premature transitions mean something. Whether it is through education, or appreciation, or whatever those people closest can make of it, and it will be done with God's blessing. could you clarify, please? Well, I believe that every person has a purpose to which they are here. I don't believe anyone's purpose is to die. I do believe God loves each one of us and that we walk in His will while we fullfill the purpose He has for us... Yet, sometimes, people go against what God wants for us. Sometimes they sin and hurt people. They use their free will and choose to do what is wrong. The people who killed your friend were not doing God's purpose. I do not believe it was God's will that your friend died... at the moment, your friend's death has no purpose... Yet because I believe that God loves us, I do believe that God has given people who are left behind after such senseless deaths the ability to take the vanity away from it. You and those who were close to Mal can keep the spirit of the purpose of his recent life alive by keeping his memory in a positive and constructive way, thus turning the insanity of his death into to a new way to spread his individual light... Sorry if it's more confusing. I may need to wait for tomorrow to respond. I am stumbling on words in my head now... hmm... feels alot to me like you are trying to say that God's Will has a direct link to the way we conduct our lives on the Material World. o.o i suppose that should be what most christianity believes, but it just feels like a new concept to me. xd Well, I guess that is how it does come across, doesn't it? *Looks around for the emotes* WHERE'S MY DAMNED EMOTES! GAHHHH!!! *throws pencil at the door* Ummm, sorry... They have glitched away my only form of simulated expression, and I don't know what to do! Anyway, I do believe that God gave us free will to make our decisions to live our lives as we choose, and that it is not His will for us to have our ability to decide for ourselves taken away by the actions of others. So, in a way, we fulfill our purpose just by living, and we fulfill His purpose by loving each other. We are completely against God when we are bringing harm to others. I don't really think God's will actually conducts how we make our choices directly until we choose if we want a religion or not, and then we make our choices by what our chosen religion dictates. Even so, it isn't God directly effecting the way we live our life, it is the way our chosen religion is perceived by us that directs how we make our choices by it. Anyway, I believe our God granted free will is directly responsible for how we live our lives, and God would have it no other way. I think He has given us the tools to live our lives, and it is up to each individual to choose whether they will be constructive or destructive. I believe that It is not God's will that people choose the destructive path, but it would not be free will if we could not take that path once we chose to do so. Because God knew people would choose to be destructive, He gave everyone the tools to help mend the destruction others caused. I feel that this is proof of God's love for us. Even when we feel as though we have been abandoned, we still have these constructive abilities endowed within us. huh.... o.o that actually makes alot of sense. i'm not sure yet if i fully believe it, i have to compare it to some other stuff first, which means digging around for what survived of my research notes, and going through my sources for the stuff that my folks deleted.... i wanna see whether this fits or not with other info i gathered regarding the whole God/Satan relationship.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:04 am
Eltranin, you haven't mentioned the other force. If God gives us the tools to heal and rebuild, then wouldn't Satan be the author of tools to harm and destroy? Really, that's the only way he can get back at God for being thrown out of heaven and hobbled: hurting God by hurting those He loves.
There was once an interesting movie about Armageddon and the anti-Christ and all that, and at the end, the villain said something when asked why he thought he could win; he said (something along the lines of) "all these people willing to die for me, willing to do what I tell them, they are my victories, my trophies, because they have rejected God."
That's just my two cents. sweatdrop
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:13 am
ScarletFrost Eltranin, you haven't mentioned the other force. If God gives us the tools to heal and rebuild, then wouldn't Satan be the author of tools to harm and destroy? Really, that's the only way he can get back at God for being thrown out of heaven and hobbled: hurting God by hurting those He loves. There was once an interesting movie about Armageddon and the anti-Christ and all that, and at the end, the villain said something when asked why he thought he could win; he said (something along the lines of) "all these people willing to die for me, willing to do what I tell them, they are my victories, my trophies, because they have rejected God." That's just my two cents. sweatdrop see though, i'm not totally convinced that Satan is nessesarilly against God. maybe and Orchestrator for the mayhem and Godlessness; more likely a God's-Agent Tempter; and still quite possibly an actual Go-Between for God to Mortals. furthermore, the mythology about Satan has been mucked up with too many Pagan figures, in a political attempt to monopolize christianity in the Dark Ages. Catholicism is a purely political christian movement designed to combat belief in anything other than monotheism, while furthering the goals of the pope and clergy. it was a mass takeover effect, and the best tool they had for the job was the Scapegoat: Satan. they called every deity or hero or villain who's story in any mythology opposed the goals of the Church Satan, or one of his Demons, and used that to convert the masses.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:30 am
Chieftain Twilight ScarletFrost Eltranin, you haven't mentioned the other force. If God gives us the tools to heal and rebuild, then wouldn't Satan be the author of tools to harm and destroy? Really, that's the only way he can get back at God for being thrown out of heaven and hobbled: hurting God by hurting those He loves. There was once an interesting movie about Armageddon and the anti-Christ and all that, and at the end, the villain said something when asked why he thought he could win; he said (something along the lines of) "all these people willing to die for me, willing to do what I tell them, they are my victories, my trophies, because they have rejected God." That's just my two cents. sweatdrop see though, i'm not totally convinced that Satan is nessesarilly against God. maybe and Orchestrator for the mayhem and Godlessness; more likely a God's-Agent Tempter; and still quite possibly an actual Go-Between for God to Mortals. furthermore, the mythology about Satan has been mucked up with too many Pagan figures, in a political attempt to monopolize christianity in the Dark Ages. Catholicism is a purely political christian movement designed to combat belief in anything other than monotheism, while furthering the goals of the pope and clergy. it was a mass takeover effect, and the best tool they had for the job was the Scapegoat: Satan. they called every deity or hero or villain who's story in any mythology opposed the goals of the Church Satan, or one of his Demons, and used that to convert the masses. Or maybe he's had a hand in everything--making himself out to not be that bad when from the beginning when he deceived Eve, he's been gunning for the destruction of mankind. I've heard theories about "what would happen if Satan repented" and "Does God still love Satan" and all kinds of things, but 99% of everything regarding Satan is speculation. You really don't see him much in the bible, and his largest roles were in Job and the NT. Sure, he's the father of discord, but he makes certain someone else takes the credit/blame.
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:39 am
ScarletFrost Chieftain Twilight ScarletFrost Eltranin, you haven't mentioned the other force. If God gives us the tools to heal and rebuild, then wouldn't Satan be the author of tools to harm and destroy? Really, that's the only way he can get back at God for being thrown out of heaven and hobbled: hurting God by hurting those He loves. There was once an interesting movie about Armageddon and the anti-Christ and all that, and at the end, the villain said something when asked why he thought he could win; he said (something along the lines of) "all these people willing to die for me, willing to do what I tell them, they are my victories, my trophies, because they have rejected God." That's just my two cents. sweatdrop see though, i'm not totally convinced that Satan is nessesarilly against God. maybe and Orchestrator for the mayhem and Godlessness; more likely a God's-Agent Tempter; and still quite possibly an actual Go-Between for God to Mortals. furthermore, the mythology about Satan has been mucked up with too many Pagan figures, in a political attempt to monopolize christianity in the Dark Ages. Catholicism is a purely political christian movement designed to combat belief in anything other than monotheism, while furthering the goals of the pope and clergy. it was a mass takeover effect, and the best tool they had for the job was the Scapegoat: Satan. they called every deity or hero or villain who's story in any mythology opposed the goals of the Church Satan, or one of his Demons, and used that to convert the masses. Or maybe he's had a hand in everything--making himself out to not be that bad when from the beginning when he deceived Eve, he's been gunning for the destruction of mankind. I've heard theories about "what would happen if Satan repented" and "Does God still love Satan" and all kinds of things, but 99% of everything regarding Satan is speculation. You really don't see him much in the bible, and his largest roles were in Job and the NT. Sure, he's the father of discord, but he makes certain someone else takes the credit/blame. heh... i still find the research i've done to be so enlightening... but i'll admit the possibilities. after all, even i find the Bible to be RIPE with accurate information...
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:40 am
Chieftain Twilight ScarletFrost Chieftain Twilight ScarletFrost Eltranin, you haven't mentioned the other force. If God gives us the tools to heal and rebuild, then wouldn't Satan be the author of tools to harm and destroy? Really, that's the only way he can get back at God for being thrown out of heaven and hobbled: hurting God by hurting those He loves. There was once an interesting movie about Armageddon and the anti-Christ and all that, and at the end, the villain said something when asked why he thought he could win; he said (something along the lines of) "all these people willing to die for me, willing to do what I tell them, they are my victories, my trophies, because they have rejected God." That's just my two cents. sweatdrop see though, i'm not totally convinced that Satan is nessesarilly against God. maybe and Orchestrator for the mayhem and Godlessness; more likely a God's-Agent Tempter; and still quite possibly an actual Go-Between for God to Mortals. furthermore, the mythology about Satan has been mucked up with too many Pagan figures, in a political attempt to monopolize christianity in the Dark Ages. Catholicism is a purely political christian movement designed to combat belief in anything other than monotheism, while furthering the goals of the pope and clergy. it was a mass takeover effect, and the best tool they had for the job was the Scapegoat: Satan. they called every deity or hero or villain who's story in any mythology opposed the goals of the Church Satan, or one of his Demons, and used that to convert the masses. Or maybe he's had a hand in everything--making himself out to not be that bad when from the beginning when he deceived Eve, he's been gunning for the destruction of mankind. I've heard theories about "what would happen if Satan repented" and "Does God still love Satan" and all kinds of things, but 99% of everything regarding Satan is speculation. You really don't see him much in the bible, and his largest roles were in Job and the NT. Sure, he's the father of discord, but he makes certain someone else takes the credit/blame. heh... i still find the research i've done to be so enlightening... but i'll admit the possibilities. after all, even i find the Bible to be RIPE with accurate information... Your open mind is one of the things I find so pleasant about you. ^_^
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:52 pm
"Satan" is not one entity, although through the generations, that is what the story has been translated into. The word Satan is literally translated to mean "adversary". Lucifer was just a title for a king who turned his back on god. The role of spirits has been watered down and Christianity uses their personification of "Satan" as a way to pass the blame off of their own shoulders, and to try and say that all that we consider bad in the world is the fault of the Devil and forget that we ourselves have free will to choose to do right or do wrong...
I could give you lists and lists of names of devils and demons, yet they are still inhibited by God's will. They can only tempt us to choose right or wrong, not take our will away. Even when a person opens themselves up for possession, they do not completely lose their free will, but that again is a topic for another thread...
When Genesis talks of the Satan (adversary) in the Garden, the original Hebrew word indicates that the adversary at the time was an agent of God. What good is freewill if there is nothing there to test it? Other sources (non-Biblical of course, but Hebraic and of earlier origins than many Cannonical books) say that the angel who tempted Eve was Gadriel, who was a grigori, who in one of the translations of Enoch is said to have "fallen" some time after the expulsion from the Garden for the sake of the daughters of men.
Anyway, the main thing I am getting at is even though there are those dark forces in the word that run counter to God, a person must first choose to follow those forces. A devil did not kill Mal, a person did.
We give the evil side of spirituality more credit than it deserves as even though there are spirits who despise God, they can not choose to go against His will as we can. That is the fundamental difference between Humans and Angels. It is a bit complicated and almost scary on what a person would believe it implies, at first.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:06 pm
see, this is why i want to get you a cell phone... now i have to worry again, and i'm sorry you lost your friend.. *sighs and hugs* you do know, if you have to you CAN still talk to me....
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:07 pm
heh... i find it funny that so many monotheists tend to forget that ALL THINGS originated in the One, when many folks (such as myself, and especially Hindus) end up reminding them of it in conversation. xd
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:09 pm
shandrel see, this is why i want to get you a cell phone... now i have to worry again, and i'm sorry you lost your friend.. *sighs and hugs* you do know, if you have to you CAN still talk to me.... i'm likely going to call you then. and yes... i am gonna admit it now, i want that Cell Phone.. so badly. i know i'm not one to waste minutes on it, i'll make every penny count.
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:23 pm
Heck, I'ld pitch in on that one, just because it sounds now like you are in a place that it might come in as a lifesaver for reals.... I can get a cell phone for you here that you load as you go for under 20 dollars. PM me your address guy,
As for the monotheists comment, I am not sure I understand... Are you refering to the fact that God created the capacity for evil? I am in agreement on that, but for me to take it so much further, we would need a whole other thread XD. I do have a blog that I am wanting to put my thoughts up on, but I find myself doing it on Gaia when I should be there.... Oh well.
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