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 Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:08 pm
R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV At any rate, she needs help.
She'll need more than help,
But she's just so little.
I know I probably sound like a hypocrite for keeping my daughter at a young age...
But had an 11 year old came up to me and said she's pregnant. I'd tell her to abort. No hesitation, regardless of how she conceived.
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:22 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV I agree with you, except for the abortion part.
I don't know.
Despite my own personal decisions in that situation...
I'm a very pro-choice person.
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:34 pm
R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV I agree with you, except for the abortion part.
I don't know.
Despite my own personal decisions in that situation...
I'm a very pro-choice person.
There are alternatives. For one, after giving birth to the baby, she could let someone adopt the baby.
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:19 pm
The True Prince R a a w i y a The True Prince R a a w i y a The True Prince Hm.... Having pity for her would be nicer word. And the reason why i say this is because when i hear Rape. I think of my sister and cousin. My sister spent the night with my cousin and my cousin's mom put them with some man while they were gone. He tried raping them but he couldn't. He was put away and my Uncle was friends with a police man and made sure that he was beaten in Jail. I hate the man and when i think of someone raped and KEEPING the baby. I think of it of as stupid, and i laugh at their stupidity.
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I don't know whether or not if I should be offended.
Rape isn't always forced.
And some people may not have to guts to do an abortion.
I'l admit, I didn't.
And I feel that I'm sadly, keeping my daughter for all the wrong reasons.Rape is forced sex. It is where one person is forcing them to have sex, by either drugging, threatening, or beating. And the abortion, i bet they will feel embarrassed about the abortion. But like stage-fright, you'll have to get over it. And about you, i'm not sure. How old were you when you had the baby exactly? And keeping the baby. Ask your self if you think you can care for that child, so that she has food, clothes, and when old enough, and education. If you can, then ask your self. Do you want to raise this child?
Date rape oftentimes doesn't involve drugging, or beatings...
Rape can be as simple as:
"Let's have sex."
"No."
"Please...?"
*Feeling Sorry* "Okay..."
Rape can be as simple as a girl having sex with someone though she really didn't want to because she was guilted into, or tricked into.
I was 14 when I was raped and became pregnant, but I was 15 when I gave birth.
Those are the reasons as to why I think it's foolish of this girl to keep her baby.
I doubt she can afford it, and due to all of the drama that she caused with the abortionists and pro-adoption folks, I doubt she'll get any support from any organization.Hm.... Ok then. Agreed, i doubt she will get help.
The article says that she'll have a Cesarean section because her body is physically incapable of giving birth vaginally at the moment.
I mean, that's just a dead giveaway that an abortion would've been her best bet.
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:04 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV I agree with you, except for the abortion part.
I don't know.
Despite my own personal decisions in that situation...
I'm a very pro-choice person.
There are alternatives. For one, after giving birth to the baby, she could let someone adopt the baby.
I heard it's a very long experience.
And in the end, there's a really slim chance of the child actually living a happy life with happy parents and such...
I'unno.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:12 am
R a a w i y a The True Prince R a a w i y a The True Prince R a a w i y a The True Prince Hm.... Having pity for her would be nicer word. And the reason why i say this is because when i hear Rape. I think of my sister and cousin. My sister spent the night with my cousin and my cousin's mom put them with some man while they were gone. He tried raping them but he couldn't. He was put away and my Uncle was friends with a police man and made sure that he was beaten in Jail. I hate the man and when i think of someone raped and KEEPING the baby. I think of it of as stupid, and i laugh at their stupidity.
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I don't know whether or not if I should be offended.
Rape isn't always forced.
And some people may not have to guts to do an abortion.
I'l admit, I didn't.
And I feel that I'm sadly, keeping my daughter for all the wrong reasons.Rape is forced sex. It is where one person is forcing them to have sex, by either drugging, threatening, or beating. And the abortion, i bet they will feel embarrassed about the abortion. But like stage-fright, you'll have to get over it. And about you, i'm not sure. How old were you when you had the baby exactly? And keeping the baby. Ask your self if you think you can care for that child, so that she has food, clothes, and when old enough, and education. If you can, then ask your self. Do you want to raise this child?
Date rape oftentimes doesn't involve drugging, or beatings...
Rape can be as simple as:
"Let's have sex."
"No."
"Please...?"
*Feeling Sorry* "Okay..."
Rape can be as simple as a girl having sex with someone though she really didn't want to because she was guilted into, or tricked into.
I was 14 when I was raped and became pregnant, but I was 15 when I gave birth.
Those are the reasons as to why I think it's foolish of this girl to keep her baby.
I doubt she can afford it, and due to all of the drama that she caused with the abortionists and pro-adoption folks, I doubt she'll get any support from any organization.Hm.... Ok then. Agreed, i doubt she will get help.
The article says that she'll have a Cesarean section because her body is physically incapable of giving birth vaginally at the moment.
I mean, that's just a dead giveaway that an abortion would've been her best bet.That is why i think most that she is a fool since her body isn't ready to have a baby.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:27 am
having a child is a wonderful thing in life the best thing a woman can do is give birth to a loving beautiful child.
You also have to understand that this is real life and it costs money to take care of one, but love for a child costs nothing. Only mothers who have givin birth understand the connection, the sudden connection, between the mother and child. She understands that she has a living being inside of her and it is her own, hers and only hers, that she will hold in her night and day and go threw the pains and joys with the child. Only someone who has a cold and dark heart would do abortion. Its a hateful and sin full thing in my eyes but it is not for me to say what others do but only give my opinion on what i believe.
On the other hand she is 10-11 years old and money isnt on her side. There is a adoption plan where she can give the child to a family and visit the child once or twice a year, but it is up to how much the adopted parents want her to visit.
Now everyone has to understand you do NOT and i will say it again DO NOT need money to make someone happy. My father was poor all of his life and he still made me happy, and i only had a stuffed animal from age 1 to age 10 and thank to god that i had clothes. smile even tho i had nothing my father made me happy with nothing. I was allways healthy and happy with nothing and this girl even tho she is 11 she seems to understand, and her mother also understands that it is their choice and even if you think it is foolish and reckless they dont.
Now i understand that 11 years old is very very young but when my father was 10 he had a job, he took care of his younger siblings and his mentally ill mother. He cooked, cleaned, dressed his younger siblings, got a job and paid the bills. and many other things that you wouldn't expect someone at that age to do. Some children are put in situations that force them to mature at a young age. This young girl might have allso been put in a similar situation that my father did.
The mother and the girl have the choice to chose what they want and even if i or others disagree it isnt our position to tell them what to do but give our greatest love for them and hope that what they choose will work for the best!!! smile im happy that she choose to keep the child, i hope and wish that everything would work and be the best with them.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:49 pm
Xx Freezing Nightmare xX having a child is a wonderful thing in life the best thing a woman can do is give birth to a loving beautiful child. You also have to understand that this is real life and it costs money to take care of one, but love for a child costs nothing. Only mothers who have givin birth understand the connection, the sudden connection, between the mother and child. She understands that she has a living being inside of her and it is her own, hers and only hers, that she will hold in her night and day and go threw the pains and joys with the child. Only someone who has a cold and dark heart would do abortion. Its a hateful and sin full thing in my eyes but it is not for me to say what others do but only give my opinion on what i believe. On the other hand she is 10-11 years old and money isnt on her side. There is a adoption plan where she can give the child to a family and visit the child once or twice a year, but it is up to how much the adopted parents want her to visit. Now everyone has to understand you do NOT and i will say it again DO NOT need money to make someone happy. My father was poor all of his life and he still made me happy, and i only had a stuffed animal from age 1 to age 10 and thank to god that i had clothes. smile even tho i had nothing my father made me happy with nothing. I was allways healthy and happy with nothing and this girl even tho she is 11 she seems to understand, and her mother also understands that it is their choice and even if you think it is foolish and reckless they dont. Now i understand that 11 years old is very very young but when my father was 10 he had a job, he took care of his younger siblings and his mentally ill mother. He cooked, cleaned, dressed his younger siblings, got a job and paid the bills. and many other things that you wouldn't expect someone at that age to do. Some children are put in situations that force them to mature at a young age. This young girl might have allso been put in a similar situation that my father did. The mother and the girl have the choice to chose what they want and even if i or others disagree it isnt our position to tell them what to do but give our greatest love for them and hope that what they choose will work for the best!!! smile im happy that she choose to keep the child, i hope and wish that everything would work and be the best with them.
I'm dead serious, however... a lot of them were a little far-fetched.
*I'm so bored, Dear, don't take any of this personally... I'm just doing it for the sake of sparking conversation up in hyea.
Thee underlined is the stuff I'm responding to.
Your first point *only hateful people would do abortion, its sinful yadda.
I'm a mother myself, but I'm entirely pro-choice. If the mother is not fit to give birth, then she shouldn't have to. If she won't even survive to give birth, what's the point of giving birth? She won't be able to hold the child, she won't be able to watch it grow. I'd rather end the "life" of the zygote inside of her uterus rather than have her die and leave behind a child.
Your second point *you do NOT need money to make you happy. You need money to SURVIVE. NOT to make you happy. If I can't afford a crib for my baby, and if I can't afford food for my baby, my baby will starve and most likely die. You NEED money to SURVIVE. Not to "be happy".
You last point was made that your father supported his family at 10. He did not, however, have his own baby. Babies are more expensive than a houseful of five year olds.
You have to pay for blankets, food, shelter, diapers, medicine, etc.
Babies are way harder to take care of than adults or young siblings. If he had to raise his own child, I doubt he would've made it. Just saying..
And you also make it seem like no one here has had children before.
I gave birth to my daughter when I was 15, and from everything that I've experienced, it's a LOT harder than babysitting.
I still disagree with what the girl and her family chose.
Not only will her entire family have slimmer chances at better opportunities, but now the baby will have a slim chance of a healthy life too.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:15 pm
R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV I agree with you, except for the abortion part.
I don't know.
Despite my own personal decisions in that situation...
I'm a very pro-choice person.
There are alternatives. For one, after giving birth to the baby, she could let someone adopt the baby.
I heard it's a very long experience.
And in the end, there's a really slim chance of the child actually living a happy life with happy parents and such...
I'unno.
But, there are many decent couples willing to adopt. :3
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:35 pm
R a a w i y a Xx Freezing Nightmare xX having a child is a wonderful thing in life the best thing a woman can do is give birth to a loving beautiful child. You also have to understand that this is real life and it costs money to take care of one, but love for a child costs nothing. Only mothers who have givin birth understand the connection, the sudden connection, between the mother and child. She understands that she has a living being inside of her and it is her own, hers and only hers, that she will hold in her night and day and go threw the pains and joys with the child. Only someone who has a cold and dark heart would do abortion. Its a hateful and sin full thing in my eyes but it is not for me to say what others do but only give my opinion on what i believe. On the other hand she is 10-11 years old and money isnt on her side. There is a adoption plan where she can give the child to a family and visit the child once or twice a year, but it is up to how much the adopted parents want her to visit. Now everyone has to understand you do NOT and i will say it again DO NOT need money to make someone happy. My father was poor all of his life and he still made me happy, and i only had a stuffed animal from age 1 to age 10 and thank to god that i had clothes. smile even tho i had nothing my father made me happy with nothing. I was allways healthy and happy with nothing and this girl even tho she is 11 she seems to understand, and her mother also understands that it is their choice and even if you think it is foolish and reckless they dont. Now i understand that 11 years old is very very young but when my father was 10 he had a job, he took care of his younger siblings and his mentally ill mother. He cooked, cleaned, dressed his younger siblings, got a job and paid the bills. and many other things that you wouldn't expect someone at that age to do. Some children are put in situations that force them to mature at a young age. This young girl might have allso been put in a similar situation that my father did. The mother and the girl have the choice to chose what they want and even if i or others disagree it isnt our position to tell them what to do but give our greatest love for them and hope that what they choose will work for the best!!! smile im happy that she choose to keep the child, i hope and wish that everything would work and be the best with them.
I'm dead serious, however... a lot of them were a little far-fetched.
*I'm so bored, Dear, don't take any of this personally... I'm just doing it for the sake of sparking conversation up in hyea.
Thee underlined is the stuff I'm responding to.
Your first point *only hateful people would do abortion, its sinful yadda.
I'm a mother myself, but I'm entirely pro-choice. If the mother is not fit to give birth, then she shouldn't have to. If she won't even survive to give birth, what's the point of giving birth? She won't be able to hold the child, she won't be able to watch it grow. I'd rather end the "life" of the zygote inside of her uterus rather than have her die and leave behind a child.
Your second point *you do NOT need money to make you happy. You need money to SURVIVE. NOT to make you happy. If I can't afford a crib for my baby, and if I can't afford food for my baby, my baby will starve and most likely die. You NEED money to SURVIVE. Not to "be happy".
You last point was made that your father supported his family at 10. He did not, however, have his own baby. Babies are more expensive than a houseful of five year olds.
You have to pay for blankets, food, shelter, diapers, medicine, etc.
Babies are way harder to take care of than adults or young siblings. If he had to raise his own child, I doubt he would've made it. Just saying..
And you also make it seem like no one here has had children before.
I gave birth to my daughter when I was 15, and from everything that I've experienced, it's a LOT harder than babysitting.
I still disagree with what the girl and her family chose.
Not only will her entire family have slimmer chances at better opportunities, but now the baby will have a slim chance of a healthy life too.[[ i love discussing about this cuz i love seeing other peoples opinions smile ]] the first point you made i can understand what your saying, i was speaking out on what i believe and what i stand for. Its better to say what you want then not, and wish that you did. With tec. today the mother can GIVE the zygote to the hospital and they can save it and give it to a mother that cant physically make one. But only if the outcome means the mother will die at giving birth is what i suggest they do. i wasnt talking about the baby surviving i was talking about making the child happy smile if you look at my first paragraph i did state that this is the real life and that you do need money. I understand that little ones are hard to take care of but i believe its similar but not exact. He had to take care of 3 younger siblings that where 4 years the younger then he was. They need the same:food, clothes, shelter,water ect. but in bigger amounts even he had to take care of the bills even tho this might be hard for you to believe, and i have no proof to hand you, but it did happen. I didnt mean for you to take it as so, i didnt mind reading all of the post that i just put out what i want to say. Ive seen my mother raise my little brother and his left lung collapsed and he has to use a machine in him to breath. its very stressful even i was stressed seeing my mother stressed so i know what giving birth is like just from seeing it. Its pain full but its worth it. -my mother. There are also some others in this guild, including myself, that have never givin birth. just something i felt like saying and im glad i said it. i wish the mother gave the child to some other parents but her love for the child is incredible that im happy for what she chooses and i wish her the best of luck. smile
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:33 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV I agree with you, except for the abortion part.
I don't know.
Despite my own personal decisions in that situation...
I'm a very pro-choice person.
There are alternatives. For one, after giving birth to the baby, she could let someone adopt the baby.But what if they don't make it through the birth? It would be the same as an abortion, but maybe worse.
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:39 pm
ChildoftheMoon14 Emperor Angelo XXV R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV I agree with you, except for the abortion part.
I don't know.
Despite my own personal decisions in that situation...
I'm a very pro-choice person.
There are alternatives. For one, after giving birth to the baby, she could let someone adopt the baby.But what if they don't make it through the birth? It would be the same as an abortion, but maybe worse.
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:53 am
Xx Freezing Nightmare xX R a a w i y a You made some really great points there, Dear.
I'm dead serious, however... a lot of them were a little far-fetched.
*I'm so bored, Dear, don't take any of this personally... I'm just doing it for the sake of sparking conversation up in hyea.
Thee underlined is the stuff I'm responding to.
Your first point *only hateful people would do abortion, its sinful yadda.
I'm a mother myself, but I'm entirely pro-choice. If the mother is not fit to give birth, then she shouldn't have to. If she won't even survive to give birth, what's the point of giving birth? She won't be able to hold the child, she won't be able to watch it grow. I'd rather end the "life" of the zygote inside of her uterus rather than have her die and leave behind a child.
Your second point *you do NOT need money to make you happy. You need money to SURVIVE. NOT to make you happy. If I can't afford a crib for my baby, and if I can't afford food for my baby, my baby will starve and most likely die. You NEED money to SURVIVE. Not to "be happy".
You last point was made that your father supported his family at 10. He did not, however, have his own baby. Babies are more expensive than a houseful of five year olds.
You have to pay for blankets, food, shelter, diapers, medicine, etc.
Babies are way harder to take care of than adults or young siblings. If he had to raise his own child, I doubt he would've made it. Just saying..
And you also make it seem like no one here has had children before.
I gave birth to my daughter when I was 15, and from everything that I've experienced, it's a LOT harder than babysitting.
I still disagree with what the girl and her family chose.
Not only will her entire family have slimmer chances at better opportunities, but now the baby will have a slim chance of a healthy life too. [[ i love discussing about this cuz i love seeing other peoples opinions smile ]] the first point you made i can understand what your saying, i was speaking out on what i believe and what i stand for. Its better to say what you want then not, and wish that you did. With tec. today the mother can GIVE the zygote to the hospital and they can save it and give it to a mother that cant physically make one. But only if the outcome means the mother will die at giving birth is what i suggest they do. i wasnt talking about the baby surviving i was talking about making the child happy smile if you look at my first paragraph i did state that this is the real life and that you do need money. I understand that little ones are hard to take care of but i believe its similar but not exact. He had to take care of 3 younger siblings that where 4 years the younger then he was. They need the same:food, clothes, shelter,water ect. but in bigger amounts even he had to take care of the bills even tho this might be hard for you to believe, and i have no proof to hand you, but it did happen. I didnt mean for you to take it as so, i didnt mind reading all of the post that i just put out what i want to say. Ive seen my mother raise my little brother and his left lung collapsed and he has to use a machine in him to breath. its very stressful even i was stressed seeing my mother stressed so i know what giving birth is like just from seeing it. Its pain full but its worth it. -my mother. There are also some others in this guild, including myself, that have never givin birth. just something i felt like saying and im glad i said it. i wish the mother gave the child to some other parents but her love for the child is incredible that im happy for what she chooses and i wish her the best of luck. smile
I guess in reality, the whole point of this even being an issue is mostly based on morals anyway.
I don't blame you for voicing your beliefs.
*Usually, zygote donations would take lots of money, that this girl's family probably doesn't have. She can't perform vaginal birth because she is too small. This could lead to her getting a seriously dangerous infection. (Especially since she is from a poorer state of Mexico, where healthcare isn't as great as the United States). She risks having the baby being born with defects, or possibly be stillborn.
A normal hospital birth in America costs about $15000.
Imagine what that would cost her to have a cesarean section? Probably much, much more.
And usually, the mother only risks death during childbirth. She can't donate her zygote to another woman if she's already in labor.
*I don't know. I usually go by "a healthy child is a happy child." Your children won't be happy all the time regardless of your income. But to sustain happiness is easier if you can afford your baby's favorite foods, afford their favorite toys, or give them their favorite blankets.
*In your father's situation again, I think the only way the children would need bigger amounts of food or shelter is if 1) they take up a lot of room, or 2) they eat more than they need too. At 3 to 4 years old, if your parents were seriously in such financial troubles, why would they need bigger amounts of food, and how would they afford it? By three years old a child should be able to live off peanut butter sandwiches. Unless you are buying your children a buffet everyday, they cost WAY less than your average infant.
I wouldn't mind her having the baby and keeping it...
It's not like I'm going to go over to Mexico and say to her "YOU'RE TERRIBLE!" Kind of thing.
I'm a mother myself, and having a baby is no picnic.
Believe it or not, the birth isn't half as painful as TV and media make it seem. While I was in labor, I had to be heavily sedated and I had a spinal block. The contractions were what hurt the most, the actual birth felt more like passing an enormous blood clot. (But I put lots of emphasis on the "ENORMOUS BLOOD CLOT")
But like your mom said,
It's a blood clot that's really worth passing. (:
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:23 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV ChildoftheMoon14 Emperor Angelo XXV R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV I agree with you, except for the abortion part.
I don't know.
Despite my own personal decisions in that situation...
I'm a very pro-choice person.
There are alternatives. For one, after giving birth to the baby, she could let someone adopt the baby.But what if they don't make it through the birth? It would be the same as an abortion, but maybe worse. Okay, let me reword that. Say she was going to get an abortion. That's 1/2-1 lives lost, depending on how far she is into the pregnancy. Same number if the baby dies on its own. If the girl dies but not the baby (she has it before she dies), that's a life lost. If both the girl and the baby die, that's 1 1/2-2 lives lost. Not to sound insensitive, but if one of these should be the case, somebody gets dead either way.
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:54 pm
ChildoftheMoon14 Emperor Angelo XXV ChildoftheMoon14 Emperor Angelo XXV R a a w i y a Emperor Angelo XXV I agree with you, except for the abortion part.
I don't know.
Despite my own personal decisions in that situation...
I'm a very pro-choice person.
There are alternatives. For one, after giving birth to the baby, she could let someone adopt the baby.But what if they don't make it through the birth? It would be the same as an abortion, but maybe worse. Okay, let me reword that. Say she was going to get an abortion. That's 1/2-1 lives lost, depending on how far she is into the pregnancy. Same number if the baby dies on its own. If the girl dies but not the baby (she has it before she dies), that's a life lost. If both the girl and the baby die, that's 1 1/2-2 lives lost. Not to sound insensitive, but if one of these should be the case, somebody gets dead either way.
*researches for more alternatives that are not abortifacent*
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