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 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:58 am
Wandertoal-Haqq brainnsoup Wandertoal-Haqq brainnsoup joie-rhan In Islam, a woman is treated like a queen. Until she gets married, the men of her family are 100% financially responsible for her. She doesn't have to lift a finger working if she doesn't want to and it is their religious duty to pay for what she wants and needs. Then once she's married this responsibility passes onto her husband. And if she has no husband or male relatives, the responsibility is on the men of the society as a whole. Imagine that! Never having to work a day in your life, and still getting anything you want. If a man wants to marry a woman, he is also suppose to provide her with living conditions that are equal to or above the conditions that she is currently living in. Islam also teaches that paradise is beneath your mother's feet. It doesn't teach this about the father. It also says that the person we should be most respectful to and obedient to is our mother, our mother, our mother, and THEN our father. So much for a "patriarchal" society, eh? I could go on and on, but the post would get too huge. sweatdrop
From what I understand, Islam's view on women is similar to the status of the Southern Belle in the old South. She's some magical, beautiful creature to be revered, but they're more like pretty pets for their husbands rather than equals.
Something important to note is that Islam teaches ALL people to educate themselves through whatever means they have. So men & women are to be equal in responsibility as well as intelligence.That's interesting the way you put it: women trying to be men. What do you mean by that exactly?
I have to admit, I don't know very much about the role of women in Islam. But what if a women is more skilled at anatomy or mathematics than she is at being a mother? Should she still prioritize motherhood? Or is it not expected that she could be? And why should women be better at these things than men?
It's great if someone is good at such and such a job, & I encourage us all to educate ourselves and get a job if we so want to. On the same note, even if you are better at that than being a mother, isn't guiding a young life more important? Isn't is something we would like to strive to become better at, even more so than anything else? We ALL needed our mother when we were young & in Islam, the child has a right over their mother (& father) to be raised well. If mothers don't dedicate their time & energy, children lose opportunities. I'm currently taking a Human Growth & Development class that has really shown me just how important it is to nurture children; how you do so affects them throughout life.
I don't know about others' ideas on whether a woman could be better at math or anatomy, but there are so many women who are examples of this. There is hardly an argument to say they couldn't be brilliant in this way. But as I see it, even if you think you can't be a good mother, you can be. & in Islam, the rest of the family is there to help out. For example, when I have children, my mother-in-law is willing to help me, especially in the month or so right after giving birth. She is a great example of a home-maker, actually...my husband says he values her staying home to take care of him more than any money she could have earned working.
As for the question of women being better than men at raising children, think about the nature of women (I am not stereotyping, this is just the honest truth of how the majority of women are). We tend to be more caring, gentle, & loving than most men. Also, women are naturally more receptive to the needs of their children whereas many men have trouble knowing what to do. Though, I should note that in Islam, the father is also valued & a necessary part of a child's life. When we supposedly aren't good at taking care of children, I think it's because we haven't prepared ourselves or maybe it's not our priority. You have to think about that. Most of the time, it just feels easy & right so few problems arise with that. But Allah knows best. Any mistakes are from myself & all truth comes from Him. If a women doesn't want to have children, she shouldn't. Not just because it limits her own freedom, but mostly because it creates a poisonous environment for the child.
One thing I've noticed in my own culture, especially if you go back a few decades, before women were really able to pursue careers and were more expected to settle down after high school and have kids, is that a lot of women are pressured into having kids when they really shouldn't be. What I mean is: raising children is hard work. It requires someone who is unconditionally patient, encouraging, dedicated... Someone who's really passionate about being a mommy. But a lot of women don't want to be mothers but have children because society dictates that the most rewarding thing that she can experience in life is having kids. If she doesn't, people will judge her based on that. And in societies where she's dependent on her husband's income, it's her only way of having a good quality of life. So essentially, she has children not because she wants to, but because her culture says she should want to, or even has to.
It's bad because if she has kids despite not wanting to be a mother and not being able to be an attentive mother, she could really screw up the child. If the mother can't be attentive, the child won't develop a secure attachment. If she can't encourage him to test his abilities, he won't develop a sense of autonomy. Children are really delicate in those early years, and if the mother's heart isn't in it, the kid could grow up untrusting, unsure of his abilities, afraid to try new things for fear of failure, and it can mess him up into adulthood if he doesn't correct it.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:26 am
Conan The Barbie Doll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfwHWijhwYM
As a feminist, this gives me hope. I had always thought that Muslim women were oppressed and treated terribly. I still do, for the most part. However, I see this as a step forward for woman in Islam.
What do you think? Also, one more question- I think that the Hijab is very attractive. Do you wear a Hijab? How do others see you(Or how do you think others see you)? i wear a hijab in america wen i frst started 2 wear it ppl kept staring @ me in skool bu thy finally got used 2 seeing me in it cuz we all grew up 2gether and ppl were used 2 seeing me w/o so thy were suprised wen i came 2 skool on the frst day of sixth grade inn a hijab. but their were a few brave ppl whoa ctually had the nerve 2 ask me about even tho i nomany pl were curous not many asked.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:30 am
brainnsoup Wandertoal-Haqq brainnsoup Wandertoal-Haqq brainnsoup joie-rhan In Islam, a woman is treated like a queen. Until she gets married, the men of her family are 100% financially responsible for her. She doesn't have to lift a finger working if she doesn't want to and it is their religious duty to pay for what she wants and needs. Then once she's married this responsibility passes onto her husband. And if she has no husband or male relatives, the responsibility is on the men of the society as a whole. Imagine that! Never having to work a day in your life, and still getting anything you want. If a man wants to marry a woman, he is also suppose to provide her with living conditions that are equal to or above the conditions that she is currently living in. Islam also teaches that paradise is beneath your mother's feet. It doesn't teach this about the father. It also says that the person we should be most respectful to and obedient to is our mother, our mother, our mother, and THEN our father. So much for a "patriarchal" society, eh? I could go on and on, but the post would get too huge. sweatdrop
From what I understand, Islam's view on women is similar to the status of the Southern Belle in the old South. She's some magical, beautiful creature to be revered, but they're more like pretty pets for their husbands rather than equals.
Something important to note is that Islam teaches ALL people to educate themselves through whatever means they have. So men & women are to be equal in responsibility as well as intelligence.That's interesting the way you put it: women trying to be men. What do you mean by that exactly?
I have to admit, I don't know very much about the role of women in Islam. But what if a women is more skilled at anatomy or mathematics than she is at being a mother? Should she still prioritize motherhood? Or is it not expected that she could be? And why should women be better at these things than men?
It's great if someone is good at such and such a job, & I encourage us all to educate ourselves and get a job if we so want to. On the same note, even if you are better at that than being a mother, isn't guiding a young life more important? Isn't is something we would like to strive to become better at, even more so than anything else? We ALL needed our mother when we were young & in Islam, the child has a right over their mother (& father) to be raised well. If mothers don't dedicate their time & energy, children lose opportunities. I'm currently taking a Human Growth & Development class that has really shown me just how important it is to nurture children; how you do so affects them throughout life.
I don't know about others' ideas on whether a woman could be better at math or anatomy, but there are so many women who are examples of this. There is hardly an argument to say they couldn't be brilliant in this way. But as I see it, even if you think you can't be a good mother, you can be. & in Islam, the rest of the family is there to help out. For example, when I have children, my mother-in-law is willing to help me, especially in the month or so right after giving birth. She is a great example of a home-maker, actually...my husband says he values her staying home to take care of him more than any money she could have earned working.
As for the question of women being better than men at raising children, think about the nature of women (I am not stereotyping, this is just the honest truth of how the majority of women are). We tend to be more caring, gentle, & loving than most men. Also, women are naturally more receptive to the needs of their children whereas many men have trouble knowing what to do. Though, I should note that in Islam, the father is also valued & a necessary part of a child's life. When we supposedly aren't good at taking care of children, I think it's because we haven't prepared ourselves or maybe it's not our priority. You have to think about that. Most of the time, it just feels easy & right so few problems arise with that. But Allah knows best. Any mistakes are from myself & all truth comes from Him. If a women doesn't want to have children, she shouldn't. Not just because it limits her own freedom, but mostly because it creates a poisonous environment for the child.
One thing I've noticed in my own culture, especially if you go back a few decades, before women were really able to pursue careers and were more expected to settle down after high school and have kids, is that a lot of women are pressured into having kids when they really shouldn't be. What I mean is: raising children is hard work. It requires someone who is unconditionally patient, encouraging, dedicated... Someone who's really passionate about being a mommy. But a lot of women don't want to be mothers but have children because society dictates that the most rewarding thing that she can experience in life is having kids. If she doesn't, people will judge her based on that. And in societies where she's dependent on her husband's income, it's her only way of having a good quality of life. So essentially, she has children not because she wants to, but because her culture says she should want to, or even has to.
It's bad because if she has kids despite not wanting to be a mother and not being able to be an attentive mother, she could really screw up the child. If the mother can't be attentive, the child won't develop a secure attachment. If she can't encourage him to test his abilities, he won't develop a sense of autonomy. Children are really delicate in those early years, and if the mother's heart isn't in it, the kid could grow up untrusting, unsure of his abilities, afraid to try new things for fear of failure, and it can mess him up into adulthood if he doesn't correct it. i totally agree w/ joie rohans post and most def enjoyed it!
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:15 am
Old Man Ryver Considering Islam is one of the first religions to be AGAINST sexism, as well as the Quran stating that woman own anything they buy, woman can refuse marriage, woman are to be respected as one would respect their parents, and that woman have the right to leave their husbands if wanted, I'd say that Islam is the complete opposite of sexist. I don't know where the belief that Islam was based on sexism came from, but I can assure you the complete opposite. who says Islam is based on sexism tht is soo false info.... im not juding u btw cuz i c tht u disagree also r u muslim btw i am.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:19 am
o sunflower king Yes, as Shuvoo said, it is not the religion itself. I think it's a cultural thing in the Middle East. I, for one, think the hijab is pretty, too. As long as the woman is wearing it on her own accord, I'm fine with it. It's like if a woman only wants to wear dresses and skirts, it's okay as long as she decided it on her own. i agree and i do wear the hijab on my own and im 15 im proud of myself i still wear jeans tho but im gunna start wearing jst dresses and skirts as soon as im ready i kinda dont want 2 tho cuz im a fashionista and evryhtin but i bet i will find a way 2 make my clothes more fashion- forward
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:22 am
brainnsoup Shuvoo Considering Islam is one of the first religions to be AGAINST sexism, as well as the Quran stating that woman own anything they buy, woman can refuse marriage, woman are to be respected as one would respect their parents, and that woman have the right to leave their husbands if wanted, I'd say that Islam is the complete opposite of sexist. I don't know where the belief that Islam was based on sexism came from, but I can assure you the complete opposite.
Then again, in that time it was progressive to choose not to murder infants that made the incredibly rude choice of being born female.
Still though, I don't think it is Islam's fault that women have such low status in some parts of the country. The Quran doesn't exactly teach that women are equal to men, but it does teach a certain level of respect for women.actually in the quaran woman r said to be respected and taken care of even more thn men it the quran it says tht "women r like a rib if u try 2 straighten it it will break so take good care of women"
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:25 am
Chieftain Twilight so, it's like a combination Islamic Nunnery and University, which helps to promote the Civil Equality between genders within an Islamic Culture? smile i dig it! ^_^ definitely glad i took the time to watch it, and it makes me feel glad for Egypt again. i was starting to get the impression that egypt was very full of prejiduce. anywho, i do know that the level of gender inequality isn't constant throughout all of Islam. Muslim women are treated with equality and viewed as equals in certain nations, they are are treated as equals but not viewed that way in others, they are treated and viewed as equals but as different and with assigned gender roles in others, and yet in others they are completely oppressed and treated as property or possessions rather than as living beings with rights. it all depends on Culture, not on Islam itself. ther r no "nuns" in islam the females ttht wear the hijab ( i am one of thm) dont say or think thy r "married to god" may allah forgive me. we do it because we preserve r bodies 4 ppl who deserve it and folow the deen (religion) and dont want 2 b like sluts and hoes
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:29 am
Conan The Barbie Doll joie-rhan In Islam, a woman is treated like a queen. Until she gets married, the men of her family are 100% financially responsible for her. She doesn't have to lift a finger working if she doesn't want to and it is their religious duty to pay for what she wants and needs. Then once she's married this responsibility passes onto her husband. And if she has no husband or male relatives, the responsibility is on the men of the society as a whole. Imagine that! Never having to work a day in your life, and still getting anything you want. If a man wants to marry a woman, he is also suppose to provide her with living conditions that are equal to or above the conditions that she is currently living in. Islam also teaches that paradise is beneath your mother's feet. It doesn't teach this about the father. It also says that the person we should be most respectful to and obedient to is our mother, our mother, our mother, and THEN our father. So much for a "patriarchal" society, eh? I could go on and on, but the post would get too huge. sweatdrop
But there's a verse in the Qur'an that is troubling:
The Holy Qur'an 4:34: Men have authority over women on account of the qualities with which God hath caused the one of them to excel the other and for what they spend of their property; therefore the righteous women are obedient, guarding the unseen that which God hath guarded; and as to those whose perverseness ye fear, admonish them and avoid them in beds and beat them; and if they obey you, then seek not a way against them; verily, God is Ever-High, Ever-Great. there is no verse in the quran tht says 2 beat women it says tht hit thm three times if thy do sumthin rong and wen u hit thm u shuldnt even be able 2 hear it and if thy still dont listen thn u can hit thn a little bit harder and so on.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:37 am
Aakosir I have never agreed with the way Muslim women have been treated so I am really liking this University idea. I think it is important for everyone to learn, even if they are not going to hold any position of "power".
I know the hijab is their traditional garb, but I'm not sure what I think of it. I guess I could say it feels like they are still trying to hide their women away by having them wear it. I am sure some like to wear it, but others may not have. *shrugs* It seems like they still do not have much of a voice.
Plus, I wonder what their hair looks like? Just a random thought that always pops in to my mind. the hijab is not a way to hide the women away its quiet the opposite. we wear it almost as if its protection frm the outside world. how many hijab wearing muslims did u hear of getting raped? not many because of the way we dress we keep r bodies hidden frm ppl unless its r husband. the ppl tht dress like sluts and hoes r the 1s gettin raped and molested. like the song "queens of islam" states u shuld give it a listen Queens of Islam
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:39 am
Aakosir I have never agreed with the way Muslim women have been treated so I am really liking this University idea. I think it is important for everyone to learn, even if they are not going to hold any position of "power".
I know the hijab is their traditional garb, but I'm not sure what I think of it. I guess I could say it feels like they are still trying to hide their women away by having them wear it. I am sure some like to wear it, but others may not have. *shrugs* It seems like they still do not have much of a voice.
Plus, I wonder what their hair looks like? Just a random thought that always pops in to my mind. btw our hair looks like any other persons nuthin different even tho we wear the hijab
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:46 pm
sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight so, it's like a combination Islamic Nunnery and University, which helps to promote the Civil Equality between genders within an Islamic Culture? smile i dig it! ^_^ definitely glad i took the time to watch it, and it makes me feel glad for Egypt again. i was starting to get the impression that egypt was very full of prejiduce. anywho, i do know that the level of gender inequality isn't constant throughout all of Islam. Muslim women are treated with equality and viewed as equals in certain nations, they are are treated as equals but not viewed that way in others, they are treated and viewed as equals but as different and with assigned gender roles in others, and yet in others they are completely oppressed and treated as property or possessions rather than as living beings with rights. it all depends on Culture, not on Islam itself. ther r no "nuns" in islam the females ttht wear the hijab ( i am one of thm) dont say or think thy r "married to god" may allah forgive me. we do it because we preserve r bodies 4 ppl who deserve it and folow the deen (religion) and dont want 2 b like sluts and hoes ... o_O; you have a... very poor opinion of christian nuns, huh? you do realize that the word "nun" is thought of more as a feminine form of the word "monk", right? the idea is that they are generally secluded, living a spiritually wholesome life, or whatever. and it's not limited to christianity, or even monotheistic religions. other than that, I have to ask that you PLEASE try to type more... neatly. I could barely read, let alone understand, what you posted. also, the world isn't divided into abstinant people and "sluts & hoes". that was extremely offensive and judgemental of you to say.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:29 am
Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight so, it's like a combination Islamic Nunnery and University, which helps to promote the Civil Equality between genders within an Islamic Culture? smile i dig it! ^_^ definitely glad i took the time to watch it, and it makes me feel glad for Egypt again. i was starting to get the impression that egypt was very full of prejiduce. anywho, i do know that the level of gender inequality isn't constant throughout all of Islam. Muslim women are treated with equality and viewed as equals in certain nations, they are are treated as equals but not viewed that way in others, they are treated and viewed as equals but as different and with assigned gender roles in others, and yet in others they are completely oppressed and treated as property or possessions rather than as living beings with rights. it all depends on Culture, not on Islam itself. ther r no "nuns" in islam the females ttht wear the hijab ( i am one of thm) dont say or think thy r "married to god" may allah forgive me. we do it because we preserve r bodies 4 ppl who deserve it and folow the deen (religion) and dont want 2 b like sluts and hoes ... o_O; you have a... very poor opinion of christian nuns, huh? you do realize that the word "nun" is thought of more as a feminine form of the word "monk", right? the idea is that they are generally secluded, living a spiritually wholesome life, or whatever. and it's not limited to christianity, or even monotheistic religions. other than that, I have to ask that you PLEASE try to type more... neatly. I could barely read, let alone understand, what you posted. also, the world isn't divided into abstinant people and "sluts & hoes". that was extremely offensive and judgemental of you to say. actually i dont hav a poor opinion of nuns. i actually think thy r a bit more understanding thn othr christians tho i dont agree w/ the hole "married 2 god" thing thy r actually very similar 2 us female muslims in the way thy dress. i admire the fact tht thy cover themselves like us and think tht r religions r a bit closer thn we both think it is. and im srry tht u culdnt read my post and had trouble understanding. i will attept 2 type neater and clearer. im srry if i misjugded or offended anybody. i didnt mean tht evry1 who doesnt cover themselves like us and nuns is a slut or hoe. i jst meant tht u hardly hear of a hijabi women gettin raped cuz shes all covered up. and u hear of women who r practically naked (DRESSED like sluts and hoes) tht get raped cuz evrythings showing and sumtimes men jst cant hlp it. so thts my opinion.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:30 am
sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight so, it's like a combination Islamic Nunnery and University, which helps to promote the Civil Equality between genders within an Islamic Culture? smile i dig it! ^_^ definitely glad i took the time to watch it, and it makes me feel glad for Egypt again. i was starting to get the impression that egypt was very full of prejiduce. anywho, i do know that the level of gender inequality isn't constant throughout all of Islam. Muslim women are treated with equality and viewed as equals in certain nations, they are are treated as equals but not viewed that way in others, they are treated and viewed as equals but as different and with assigned gender roles in others, and yet in others they are completely oppressed and treated as property or possessions rather than as living beings with rights. it all depends on Culture, not on Islam itself. ther r no "nuns" in islam the females ttht wear the hijab ( i am one of thm) dont say or think thy r "married to god" may allah forgive me. we do it because we preserve r bodies 4 ppl who deserve it and folow the deen (religion) and dont want 2 b like sluts and hoes ... o_O; you have a... very poor opinion of christian nuns, huh? you do realize that the word "nun" is thought of more as a feminine form of the word "monk", right? the idea is that they are generally secluded, living a spiritually wholesome life, or whatever. and it's not limited to christianity, or even monotheistic religions. other than that, I have to ask that you PLEASE try to type more... neatly. I could barely read, let alone understand, what you posted. also, the world isn't divided into abstinant people and "sluts & hoes". that was extremely offensive and judgemental of you to say. actually i dont hav a poor opinion of nuns. i actually think thy r a bit more understanding thn othr christians tho i dont agree w/ the hole "married 2 god" thing thy r actually very similar 2 us female muslims in the way thy dress. i admire the fact tht thy cover themselves like us and think tht r religions r a bit closer thn we both think it is. and im srry tht u culdnt read my post and had trouble understanding. i will attept 2 type neater and clearer. im srry if i misjugded or offended anybody. i didnt mean tht evry1 who doesnt cover themselves like us and nuns is a slut or hoe. i jst meant tht u hardly hear of a hijabi women gettin raped cuz shes all covered up. and u hear of women who r practically naked (DRESSED like sluts and hoes) tht get raped cuz evrythings showing and sumtimes men jst cant hlp it. so thts my opinion. oh, trust me... men can help it... they are just not discouraged from it strongly. the problem is with the patriarchal society, and the assigned gender roles. persoanlly, I'm going to be telling any daughtersof mine that if they want to dress in miniskirts and tank tops they had BETTER expect to be looked at and trgeted, and they will have to learn how to defend themselves -- just in case. and I will strongly suggest layers clothes and long jeans. I won't enforce it completely, but... I will insist on them getting martial arts lessons, and I'll teach them about the gender inequalities and the propaganda and everything... I want my children to be educated and aware, not brainwashed masses.... ninja
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:19 pm
Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight so, it's like a combination Islamic Nunnery and University, which helps to promote the Civil Equality between genders within an Islamic Culture? smile i dig it! ^_^ definitely glad i took the time to watch it, and it makes me feel glad for Egypt again. i was starting to get the impression that egypt was very full of prejiduce. anywho, i do know that the level of gender inequality isn't constant throughout all of Islam. Muslim women are treated with equality and viewed as equals in certain nations, they are are treated as equals but not viewed that way in others, they are treated and viewed as equals but as different and with assigned gender roles in others, and yet in others they are completely oppressed and treated as property or possessions rather than as living beings with rights. it all depends on Culture, not on Islam itself. ther r no "nuns" in islam the females ttht wear the hijab ( i am one of thm) dont say or think thy r "married to god" may allah forgive me. we do it because we preserve r bodies 4 ppl who deserve it and folow the deen (religion) and dont want 2 b like sluts and hoes ... o_O; you have a... very poor opinion of christian nuns, huh? you do realize that the word "nun" is thought of more as a feminine form of the word "monk", right? the idea is that they are generally secluded, living a spiritually wholesome life, or whatever. and it's not limited to christianity, or even monotheistic religions. other than that, I have to ask that you PLEASE try to type more... neatly. I could barely read, let alone understand, what you posted. also, the world isn't divided into abstinant people and "sluts & hoes". that was extremely offensive and judgemental of you to say. actually i dont hav a poor opinion of nuns. i actually think thy r a bit more understanding thn othr christians tho i dont agree w/ the hole "married 2 god" thing thy r actually very similar 2 us female muslims in the way thy dress. i admire the fact tht thy cover themselves like us and think tht r religions r a bit closer thn we both think it is. and im srry tht u culdnt read my post and had trouble understanding. i will attept 2 type neater and clearer. im srry if i misjugded or offended anybody. i didnt mean tht evry1 who doesnt cover themselves like us and nuns is a slut or hoe. i jst meant tht u hardly hear of a hijabi women gettin raped cuz shes all covered up. and u hear of women who r practically naked (DRESSED like sluts and hoes) tht get raped cuz evrythings showing and sumtimes men jst cant hlp it. so thts my opinion. oh, trust me... men can help it... they are just not discouraged from it strongly. the problem is with the patriarchal society, and the assigned gender roles. persoanlly, I'm going to be telling any daughtersof mine that if they want to dress in miniskirts and tank tops they had BETTER expect to be looked at and trgeted, and they will have to learn how to defend themselves -- just in case. and I will strongly suggest layers clothes and long jeans. I won't enforce it completely, but... I will insist on them getting martial arts lessons, and I'll teach them about the gender inequalities and the propaganda and everything... I want my children to be educated and aware, not brainwashed masses.... ninja There are no statistics that say you're more likely to be raped if you're wearing a miniskirt and a tank top - if you have them, I'd be interested to read them. It doesn't matter what you're wearing because "targeted" rape is mostly not about sexual attraction, but about power. It's great that you'd want your kids to be able to defend themselves (and frankly you should be concerned about your sons as well, men are not un-rapeable) but what a woman wears is not an issue. Hence the slut-walks.
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:03 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight sheshe507 Chieftain Twilight so, it's like a combination Islamic Nunnery and University, which helps to promote the Civil Equality between genders within an Islamic Culture? smile i dig it! ^_^ definitely glad i took the time to watch it, and it makes me feel glad for Egypt again. i was starting to get the impression that egypt was very full of prejiduce. anywho, i do know that the level of gender inequality isn't constant throughout all of Islam. Muslim women are treated with equality and viewed as equals in certain nations, they are are treated as equals but not viewed that way in others, they are treated and viewed as equals but as different and with assigned gender roles in others, and yet in others they are completely oppressed and treated as property or possessions rather than as living beings with rights. it all depends on Culture, not on Islam itself. ther r no "nuns" in islam the females ttht wear the hijab ( i am one of thm) dont say or think thy r "married to god" may allah forgive me. we do it because we preserve r bodies 4 ppl who deserve it and folow the deen (religion) and dont want 2 b like sluts and hoes ... o_O; you have a... very poor opinion of christian nuns, huh? you do realize that the word "nun" is thought of more as a feminine form of the word "monk", right? the idea is that they are generally secluded, living a spiritually wholesome life, or whatever. and it's not limited to christianity, or even monotheistic religions. other than that, I have to ask that you PLEASE try to type more... neatly. I could barely read, let alone understand, what you posted. also, the world isn't divided into abstinant people and "sluts & hoes". that was extremely offensive and judgemental of you to say. actually i dont hav a poor opinion of nuns. i actually think thy r a bit more understanding thn othr christians tho i dont agree w/ the hole "married 2 god" thing thy r actually very similar 2 us female muslims in the way thy dress. i admire the fact tht thy cover themselves like us and think tht r religions r a bit closer thn we both think it is. and im srry tht u culdnt read my post and had trouble understanding. i will attept 2 type neater and clearer. im srry if i misjugded or offended anybody. i didnt mean tht evry1 who doesnt cover themselves like us and nuns is a slut or hoe. i jst meant tht u hardly hear of a hijabi women gettin raped cuz shes all covered up. and u hear of women who r practically naked (DRESSED like sluts and hoes) tht get raped cuz evrythings showing and sumtimes men jst cant hlp it. so thts my opinion. oh, trust me... men can help it... they are just not discouraged from it strongly. the problem is with the patriarchal society, and the assigned gender roles. persoanlly, I'm going to be telling any daughtersof mine that if they want to dress in miniskirts and tank tops they had BETTER expect to be looked at and trgeted, and they will have to learn how to defend themselves -- just in case. and I will strongly suggest layers clothes and long jeans. I won't enforce it completely, but... I will insist on them getting martial arts lessons, and I'll teach them about the gender inequalities and the propaganda and everything... I want my children to be educated and aware, not brainwashed masses.... ninja There are no statistics that say you're more likely to be raped if you're wearing a miniskirt and a tank top - if you have them, I'd be interested to read them. It doesn't matter what you're wearing because "targeted" rape is mostly not about sexual attraction, but about power. It's great that you'd want your kids to be able to defend themselves (and frankly you should be concerned about your sons as well, men are not un-rapeable) but what a woman wears is not an issue. Hence the slut-walks. oh, I'd be sure that my boys knew that they weren't immune to rape either... >.> I've been raped.... I'm not exaggerating when I say that you;d be hard pressed to find someone in the world more familiar with rape than myself... anywho, I'm surprised you are crew, here. even more surprised you aren't flaming me. o.o as long as we're not at eachother's throats though, i'm not about to start something. ^_^ I'll consider this a little miracle.
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