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 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:53 pm
CH0Z0 Shiori Miko Hidden Arc I may not be that faithful to my Church but I know it isn't right. It's still murder. Do you eat meat? mrgreen Do you eat plants? Which are in fact, alive. Depressingly enough. Plants are different enough from humans to make me feel less like a cannibal though.
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:54 pm
Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc because I don't need a definition of life. As long as it is there it is life. Ah, so rocks are alive? Rocks are there, after all. *face palms* I said life not manifestation You said "it". "It" is rather vague xd I was just messing with you though. You seem to have a couple of very vague ideas which you're basing your argument off. Firstly, what does it mean to be human, and what does it mean to be alive. The closest it gets to being human would be having similar DNA, and then by what arbitrary scale will you judge how similar one has to be to be Human? And are you really willing to state that anyone who doesn't have enough genetic similarity to everyone else is not human, and thus by your own words a different matter.
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:55 pm
Hidden Arc Shiori Miko Hidden Arc Shiori Miko Hidden Arc I may not be that faithful to my Church but I know it isn't right. It's still murder. Do you eat meat? mrgreen Yes, but that's a different topic unluckily. I meant murder of human life. To me it's not. Murder is murder, I don't see why the species should matter. However, I am still pro-choice. I don't scream at people for eating meat, why should I scream at someone for getting an abortion? True but then the question was do you agree or disagree to it, not question someone and tell them why they should have picked the other choice. I believe Val stated it better than I could. Quote: I'm not for Abortion. I'm for choice.
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:57 pm
Valheita Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc because I don't need a definition of life. As long as it is there it is life. Ah, so rocks are alive? Rocks are there, after all. *face palms* I said life not manifestation You said "it". "It" is rather vague xd I was just messing with you though. You seem to have a couple of very vague ideas which you're basing your argument off. Firstly, what does it mean to be human, and what does it mean to be alive. The closest it gets to being human would be having similar DNA, and then by what arbitrary scale will you judge how similar one has to be to be Human? And are you really willing to state that anyone who doesn't have enough genetic similarity to everyone else is not human, and thus by your own words a different matter. *pokes for that* That's why I'm mostly a questioner not an answerer. :3
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:58 pm
Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc because I don't need a definition of life. As long as it is there it is life. Ah, so rocks are alive? Rocks are there, after all. *face palms* I said life not manifestation You said "it". "It" is rather vague xd I was just messing with you though. You seem to have a couple of very vague ideas which you're basing your argument off. Firstly, what does it mean to be human, and what does it mean to be alive. The closest it gets to being human would be having similar DNA, and then by what arbitrary scale will you judge how similar one has to be to be Human? And are you really willing to state that anyone who doesn't have enough genetic similarity to everyone else is not human, and thus by your own words a different matter. *pokes for that* That's why I'm mostly a questioner not an answerer. :3 Have you found an answer as to what it means to be human then, oh questioner?
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:00 pm
Depends somewhat on the circumstances. People should certainly be urged to consider other options - especially birth control devices - but sometimes mistakes happen. From there...
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I don't think it should be something that should be easy to get on a whim. But I do think that abortions should be avaliable, especially if there are medical complications for the mother. The more developed the fetus is, the harder it should be to abort.
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Nespin Fernagon Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:01 pm
Valheita Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc because I don't need a definition of life. As long as it is there it is life. Ah, so rocks are alive? Rocks are there, after all. *face palms* I said life not manifestation You said "it". "It" is rather vague xd I was just messing with you though. You seem to have a couple of very vague ideas which you're basing your argument off. Firstly, what does it mean to be human, and what does it mean to be alive. The closest it gets to being human would be having similar DNA, and then by what arbitrary scale will you judge how similar one has to be to be Human? And are you really willing to state that anyone who doesn't have enough genetic similarity to everyone else is not human, and thus by your own words a different matter. /tips post Val did a philosophy
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:02 pm
Valheita Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc because I don't need a definition of life. As long as it is there it is life. Ah, so rocks are alive? Rocks are there, after all. *face palms* I said life not manifestation You said "it". "It" is rather vague xd I was just messing with you though. You seem to have a couple of very vague ideas which you're basing your argument off. Firstly, what does it mean to be human, and what does it mean to be alive. The closest it gets to being human would be having similar DNA, and then by what arbitrary scale will you judge how similar one has to be to be Human? And are you really willing to state that anyone who doesn't have enough genetic similarity to everyone else is not human, and thus by your own words a different matter. *pokes for that* That's why I'm mostly a questioner not an answerer. :3 Have you found an answer as to what it means to be human then, oh questioner? Noone is smart enough to do so, at least as I see it. They always force their scientific and religious beliefs to it. Forcing conflicts as well. My vague definition is my vague definition. It is how I shall believe it to be apart from conflicts. :3
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:06 pm
Hidden Arc Noone is smart enough to do so, at least as I see it. They always force their scientific and religious beliefs to it. Forcing conflicts as well. My vague definition is my vague definition. It is how I shall believe it to be apart from conflicts. :3 In which case is it truly fair to call it murder? If nobody can define it as such. Personally, I don't know that I could ever suggest my girlfriend get one - but I'm not about to tell her she can't, or that she's a horrible person for wanting one.
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:07 pm
Also, it is just that I had some disturbing thought to it. If abortion may be available, what if people who wouldn't want to be parents would do it again and again? Yes, it's a choice, but it still disturbs me as much as having more than 4 children.
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:09 pm
Valheita Hidden Arc Noone is smart enough to do so, at least as I see it. They always force their scientific and religious beliefs to it. Forcing conflicts as well. My vague definition is my vague definition. It is how I shall believe it to be apart from conflicts. :3 In which case is it truly fair to call it murder? If nobody can define it as such. Personally, I don't know that I could ever suggest my girlfriend get one - but I'm not about to tell her she can't, or that she's a horrible person for wanting one. It's belief then, it's also up to you. I don't know what people would say about this but I did say it more than once, "Belief doesn't mean truth, and truth is what people may not want to believe."
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:15 pm
Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc Noone is smart enough to do so, at least as I see it. They always force their scientific and religious beliefs to it. Forcing conflicts as well. My vague definition is my vague definition. It is how I shall believe it to be apart from conflicts. :3 In which case is it truly fair to call it murder? If nobody can define it as such. Personally, I don't know that I could ever suggest my girlfriend get one - but I'm not about to tell her she can't, or that she's a horrible person for wanting one. It's belief then, it's also up to you. I don't know what people would say about this but I did say it more than once, "Belief doesn't mean truth, and truth is what people may not want to believe." Your original statement was that it is murder, is implying definition. As for the repeat-abortions, I'm not so sure that would happen. By all accounts, for many females abortion is traumatic.
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:13 pm
Valheita Hidden Arc Valheita Hidden Arc Noone is smart enough to do so, at least as I see it. They always force their scientific and religious beliefs to it. Forcing conflicts as well. My vague definition is my vague definition. It is how I shall believe it to be apart from conflicts. :3 In which case is it truly fair to call it murder? If nobody can define it as such. Personally, I don't know that I could ever suggest my girlfriend get one - but I'm not about to tell her she can't, or that she's a horrible person for wanting one. It's belief then, it's also up to you. I don't know what people would say about this but I did say it more than once, "Belief doesn't mean truth, and truth is what people may not want to believe." Your original statement was that it is murder, is implying definition. As for the repeat-abortions, I'm not so sure that would happen. By all accounts, for many females abortion is traumatic. Apologies if I can most likely be never clear. :3 I really do have a bit of schizophrenia as I believe it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:16 am
Shiori Miko Escther After all, it's the woman's responsibility to take birth control There's also things such as the male condom, rape, the new male birth control pill, the pull out method which is mostly considered a man thing. You get the idea. Quote: If she ends up pregnant, it'd be her fault, as she wasn't cautious enough to consider the circumstances. Takes an egg AND sperm to make a fetus. And you CAN get pregnant while using birth control. Even if you're using the birth control perfectly.Quote: For all the parents know, it could be the next president or J.K. Rowling. Or the next Hitler, Stalin, Meyer, etc. It's the parents' job to correctly raise a child, and their behavior affects what their children do, as well as the environment. Instead of abortion, they could put a child up for adoption if they don't have the time or effort to take care of him/her.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:26 am
I don't give a damn. But, honestly, you're just looking to cause trouble if you outlaw it.
Why?
If they can't do it legally, they'll do it illegally. Which would make outlawing it completely pointless, and put people's lives at risk.
Personal opinion is, don't give a damn. It doesn't effect me. If they could rid of the stupid as hell mothers on top, I might even be for it. The world needs less morons.
And, no, birth control is bad. ******** up your chemical balance is rarely positive, do take note of how most zombie movies start. And isn't it ******** up the water supply?
The very idea of birth control disgusts me. Just one more thing that might allow dumbasses to get off without any trouble. It costs less to not be a retard, and is much more effective.
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