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Ah. Definitions problem here. Homosexuality is the attraction and nature. Homosexual acts and behaviour are different. One is a natural thing, the other is a human thing.

The fact remains that it is in some peoples natures. They don't have a choice in how they feel. If they want to live their lifes without commiting homosexual acts they will be fighting and denying themselfs their whole lifes.

So, in the context of this thread, the original statement was right. God has put these people into that situation. They are naturaly in this state and have these feelings, so God must have allowed/ordained (for an omnisentient/omnipotent being, the two are the same) for this to be the way.

What He intends them to do is what you need to discuss. Did he make them this way just to test them? To see if they could deny themselfs? Is their test to be in love with someone and neve allow themselfs to show that love?

I wonder if you could find them...

Most of the verses claimed for such things use strange interpriations, or have been diverted to that purpose from past meanings by homophobic societies. People put their own views of homosexuality into contexts it wasn't intended to be in.Yet to actualy inforce that free will, to act in any way other than that God has perfectly outlined and set up for you, is to sin. After all, that is what sin and evil is; distancing yourself from God. So, to be perfect, you need to deny that ability to choose and simply follow.

To be a good christian you would need to be as much like that robot as you could be, living your life along a predefined path.

Just wondering out loud if that is how you truely see it.

I've recently been digging up some things for Homosexuality, here's an interesting site that I dug up

http://home.messiah.edu/~chase/h/articles/carvalho.htm

It says that a person becomes a homosexual in 3 possible ways

1) Demon Possession
2) Conduct Disorder
or 3) Alternative lifestyle

They're mostly self-explaintory. If a person was a homosexual because of demons, have a priest/pastor cast it out. Usually if a person was in this case, after the exorcism they are then heterosexuals.

Conduct disorder, on the other hand, could be many things. Usually a person in this case was molested when he/she was little and seeked the protection/favor of an adult of the same sex. He/she then grows up more attracted to a person of the same sex than opposite.
It's either that or the person underwent an identity crisis during their childhood. Adolecence (sp) is a time when all children/teenagers are searching for an "identity" to fit under, sometimes they find themselves to be homosexuals, sometimes jock, goth, punk, prep, you name it.

The last one is harder to decide upon. It's not exactly how a person became a homosexual, rather, how they can change.
We've all said that once you become a Christian, you abandon your old self and rejoice in a new life in Christ. This is basically what the third option states. Even though homosexuals may do what they do that heterosexual find repulsive, this article emphaizses (gah too early in the morning to type right) that we should still love them as our neightbors.

I knew the sources were not very up-to-date, however, I still think they have a point in the Conduct Disorder.

I've seen a lot of course case TV shows and old biographies of criminals. A lot of them had been molested when they were young, and thus turned out to be gay.

While the demon possession sounded a bit ridiculous to me, we can't exactly render it false. At least, not without more proof that demons absolutely cannot deal servere damage onto the human host.
And what theory, exactly, infringes on free will? Conduct Disorder?

Which is what Conduct Disorder talked about in the site: that, though it's not of your free choice, it's possible that you were influenced into being gay instead of actually being born gay.


It IS possible to say so. Read on:



Have you seen pictures of straving African children? Notice that a lot of them (mostly toddler aged) have a very big stomach while you can visibly see their bones elsewhere. While an Annerixic (sp X.x) could have bones seen all over, without the stomach being so obvious.

Foods, to certain extent, does affect a person. Did you know that to sustain an average person, you only need 3k or so calories (notice the lower cased c, not captialized) while just a pack of cookies have 130 Calories (which means 130,000 calories)?

And now I notice a cultural difference of view.

See, I've always thought of the past as a very important part of life. Without the past, how do you even know yourself? While most Americans (which is what I assume you to be, correct me if I'm wrong) are not as concerned with the past as I am.

I'm not trying to stereotype anyone here, but I do believe that the past influences the future. After all, we're constantly learning from past mistakes and trying to improve the future, right?

This goes back into my point that I've really been wondering about lately: Is a person really BORN gay or actually INFLUENCED into being gay? While I don't doubt that there's a possible chance of being born gay, I still imagine that a lot of them are influenced into being gay.

Comparing from what I know from the past, I think that most adults did not molest children as much as we do now. Which could be possibly why we know of less homosexuals (excluding the fact that a lot of them were killed) than we do now.

it's a test in life that they have to overcome. God gives us all obsticals, some bigger than others. they have to fight the temtation of having sexual relationships with eachother.