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 Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:57 pm
Lord Tai It depends on what type of zombies you're dealing with. If it's the classic slow moving ones, then you'd need an accurate long range weapon, such as a bolt action or semi-auto because you can only kill them by murdering the crap out of their brains. If it's the new kind, where they run like track stars, then it really doesn't matter which weapon you choose because you're screwed anyway. Actually, If it's the slow moving type, then all you really have to do is run away. If their surrounding you and you can't run away, then a long range weapon probably wouldn't be the best choice. Meaning that if it was slow moving zombies, then the need for long range sniping would be obsolete. Unless you wanted to just sit around and take pock shots. But, against fast moving zombies your only screwed if you can't move fast. Like with a car, or a motorcycle, or simply running. If you can't move fast, in some fashion, whether it's running or flying, then your screwed. But... Really, it depends on what kind of zombies they are. I mean, if their only like Rabbies or Virus zombies, then some kind of tear gas or poison gas would be the best. Of course, this stuff is useless to the undead that need their head to be removed, or can't be killed at all, and only destroyed. In that case, it really depends more or less on the zombie. Also, a matter of pain, bleeding to death, and function without internal organs comes to play. Do they need to breathe, do they need various other organ systems?
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:16 pm
There's actually a book with all of these answer. It's known as the Zombie Survival Guide, I think. Very entertaining thing to read.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:10 pm
But it talks of removing heads and us shovels as weapons!
Nonsense! scream
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:08 pm
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:05 am
Suicidesoldier#1 Lord Tai It depends on what type of zombies you're dealing with. If it's the classic slow moving ones, then you'd need an accurate long range weapon, such as a bolt action or semi-auto because you can only kill them by murdering the crap out of their brains. If it's the new kind, where they run like track stars, then it really doesn't matter which weapon you choose because you're screwed anyway. Actually, If it's the slow moving type, then all you really have to do is run away. If their surrounding you and you can't run away, then a long range weapon probably wouldn't be the best choice. Meaning that if it was slow moving zombies, then the need for long range sniping would be obsolete. Unless you wanted to just sit around and take pock shots. But, against fast moving zombies your only screwed if you can't move fast. Like with a car, or a motorcycle, or simply running. If you can't move fast, in some fashion, whether it's running or flying, then your screwed. But... Really, it depends on what kind of zombies they are. I mean, if their only like Rabbies or Virus zombies, then some kind of tear gas or poison gas would be the best. Of course, this stuff is useless to the undead that need their head to be removed, or can't be killed at all, and only destroyed. In that case, it really depends more or less on the zombie. Also, a matter of pain, bleeding to death, and function without internal organs comes to play. Do they need to breathe, do they need various other organ systems? My thoughts on the slow moving ones were referring the the scenario where you have been trapped in a building by them and don't want to take the risk of getting closer to them than you have to (i.e. shoot them from the window before they get through the front fence). That kind of thing. Ideally for various environments you'd have multiple weapons for either my situation or yours (and again, ideally, you'd have a group of people with you so that you wouldn't have to carry them all yourself). I've never heard of zombies that were caused by rabies (well, actually I've heard of them, but because it was on Gaia I couldn't get much information), but I'm pretty sure that the infection ones are undead. After all, Solanum is supposed to kill you, and then reanimate you, so...yeah. And what I meant by fast zombies is the kind you see in the lastest Dawn of the Dead, where they're easily destroyed but they can constantly run at an eery speed (like even faster than the casual infected from L4D). So trying to get away in anything other than a helicopter would be suicide (planes need to take off on a runway and can't hover), and if you don't have a license, I wouldn't try that either. We do agree on one thing, though, which is that it depends on what type of zombie.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:11 am
Halogen Gloworm There's actually a book with all of these answer. It's known as the Zombie Survival Guide, I think. Very entertaining thing to read. Fail, Max Brooks is a dumbass. He doesn't know a thing about zombies, and that's just sad for one reason: they aren't real. This is sad because he doesn't have to study zombies to figure things out, he can just watch movies for God's sake and get information right there. Yet he still fails and contradicts himself many times in the book. Once even on the front page, where he says that Solanum hasn't been found in any part of the world (this includes plants, animals, and water, air and earth samples).
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:50 pm
Lord Tai Halogen Gloworm There's actually a book with all of these answer. It's known as the Zombie Survival Guide, I think. Very entertaining thing to read. Fail, Max Brooks is a dumbass. He doesn't know a thing about zombies, and that's just sad for one reason: they aren't real. This is sad because he doesn't have to study zombies to figure things out, he can just watch movies for God's sake and get information right there. Yet he still fails and contradicts himself many times in the book. Once even on the front page, where he says that Solanum hasn't been found in any part of the world (this includes plants, animals, and water, air and earth samples). From what I remember, it was in the satire category. razz Who cares? It's fun to read. lol
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:12 am
Well, it's only suicide if your slow, but I was a long distance runner back in tah days, and I could sustain a 6 minute mile for several miles. I could also sustain a run that was faster than most people's sprints, although it was only for about 800 yards or so. I also once got a 400 yard run in around 60 seconds, with 40 seconds being the olympic world record. Hell, a 90 second 400 yard dash is pretty fast. 75 is a killer, I'll tell you that. Even if you can pull off a 60 at a track meet or if your life depends on it.
The figures of course, is that a 6 minute mile = 10 mph, a 5 minute mile = 12 mph, a 4 minute mile = 15 mph, and a 3 minute mile = 20 mph. Fastest mile is around 3 minutes 30 seconds, so the fastest runners in the world can run between 15-20 mph for a whole mile. For a dead, 100 meter sprint, the faster runner in the world can run around a 9.8, with the average person only being able to pull off a 15-20 seconds 100 meter dash. Well, there are roughly 1600 meters per mile, and so a 10 second 100 meter dash would mean a 160 second mile, or a 2 minute 40 second mile, so roughly 23 mph. At the slowest, the zombie would be able to run 11 mph. Again, not that bad.
But, even if they chase you, it's really not that bad. On the new movies even though their fast the main characters can always outrun them. Which means that they probably run as fast as their "host". The average person can run a mile in around 9 minutes- or more or less, that's the average run speed when you add them all together. They get this information from schools and various clinics, usually.
Anyways, it's really not that hard to outrun them, as long as you can run. You make break your leg or something (or be like me, with a messed up foot) and get stopped, or you might not be able to run at all. Which ever the case, speed isn't such a big deal, it just means that you need more distance between each zombie and yourself.
It also makes sense that all the zombies would be fast, too. All the slow ones would starve death pretty quickly. Meaning that only the fast ones would be alive. Which means a whole troop of super fast zombies would make sense. Also, those that survived would probably travel in packs rather than herds (it's easy to avoid a giant herd of cows) and, seeing as how that's basic human instinct, to form packs, it wouldn't be that unreasonable. So, packs of super fast, stealthy zombies that spring on you all of the sudden sounds reasonable, to me.
Why would zombies be slow- if they come from humans, wouldn't they be just as fast as us?
And, Rabies zombies are zombies who carry the whole Stupid, Mindless, Aggressive, Violent, Angry syndrom, except their not undead. You catch Rabies, which, if you've ever heard of someone going "Rabid" or a "Rabid" dog, it's were the infected animal starts having the problems of Rabbis affect them.
Rabies, essentially, is a virus that starts to constrict the nervous system. The cerebral fluids and various other surrounding tissue begins to expand and squish the nervous system. Basically this tissue already surrounds the tissue completely, and so it essentially "crushes" it. This effect is long, unnoticeable, and incurable once was the victim reaches the "Rabid" state. Essentially, if you didn't tell anyone about being bitten, nobody would know that you had Rabbis until you were already "Rabbid". These people often differ in behavior, although many have impaired motor control, extreme pain, frequent spasms, loss of cognitive capabilities, and other problems associated with a person's brain literally dying. In Dogs, the animals usually become extremely protective, and run around foaming at the mouth, ready to bite anything.
Humans, of course, usually begin to foam at the mouth, and need to be strapped down so that in their fits of pain and anger they won't bite or hurt anyone.
Well, this "Rabbid" Stage only occurs for about a week, until the victim dies. And usually, the victim has about a month or two to go and get a Rabies shot before it's irreversible- as a matter of fact, most people get rabbis shots the day their bitten.
The reason why Rabies is considered a perfect disease for "Zombies", is because it causes people to basically go insane, want to bite people, it spreads by biting, and it's a virus that your body cannot naturally fight off. It's also a cross species virus, and essentially all mammals can be infected.
But imagine a Rabies virus that's slow, and extremely progressive- and possibly immune to modern rabbis anti-viruses. These kind of viruses grow and expand all the time, and if cultured in say, Rabbits, if could potentially be extraordinarily easy to produce. A user would get bit by something, possibly go get a Vaccination, think their okay, and not know they have a ticking time bomb in them. Alternatively, a user could ingest some kind of food or be exposed to some kind of chemical, would could infect them. Saliva and other bodily fluids have long been known as carriers for Rabies virus.
Essentially, the user's rabies virus could carry the same ratio- roughly a month of normal behavior to a week of rabbid behavior. If a person finally snapped, over a time period, of say, a year, (enough time for a lot of individuals to become unknowingly infected) they could potentially have 12 weeks or three months of infection. If it was really slow, several people could start exploding, and for years and years we could have "Zombie outbreaks" were mass people, who were all infected at the same time (bad McDonalds food) begin to snap. As well, the kind of Hysteria it would cause for a person to suddenly snap and bite 20 people with an incurable, irreversible disease would cause massive riots, this not only allowing more to get infected, but adding to the over-all chaos.
Or imagine a rabbis virus with the same month, or a few month, waiting period, and an elongated "Rabbid" time. The virus could be cultured from rabbits who experience the longest period of "Rabbid" time and then essentially a disproportional rabbid to waiting time could be produced- perhaps even one to one, or greater.
As well, Rabbis viruses which would tend to make people more aggressive, stupid, violent, and start to lose base cognitive function (in other words, they would want to attack people, and nothing would be holding them back) could be specifically made or even accidentally. Perhaps a virus mutates to the rabbis vaccine and all of this accidentally occurs.
Essentially, Rabbis is a great "Zombie Virus" because
1. It's contagious, and spreads specifically by biting other people
B. It makes people stupid, aggressive, violent, be in pain and feel angry- all traits of zombies
D. It's a cross species virus
^. It essentially kills the nervous system, meaning that if they had their arms blown off or intestines hanging out it wouldn't bother them that much- only the internal pain of their nerves dieing would affect them. Alternatively, as their nerves die, all other forms of pain would be blotted out, still giving the whole "pain-less" "Zomg they must be dead already" effect, if they have missing limbs but are still alive. Actually, if your intestines were hanging out it would take several days to die, but you would be in so much pain and your body would want to help you so much that it would make you go unconscious, letting pure sub-conscious effects take place. The whole "pain means nothing to me" concept, isn't an uncommon effect in drug users or in warfare, who usually can't feel pain and even when their heart is blown outside the back of their bodies they'll keep running towards people. There's also the syndrome of "Walking legs" even after a person is dead.
and
?. It's painful and affects the brain, meaning that people will possibly be screaming "Brains"
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:15 am
Oh, also, several people suffering from rabies would go into a "Coma" like state before hand, and definitely after, seeing as how the nervous system is dieing.
They would probably be unconscious for a good little while and appear sick with random diseases, and then suddenly wake up and snap.
Giving the appearance of the "Dead coming back to life". Or that the sick have been over taken and then turn into zombies as a secondary effect of death.
It's basically a replication of everything we would be able to tell about zombies.
The diagnosis, without any complicated medical procedures, could be the living dead, Rabies virus, or some random T-Virus as far as anyone would know- giving the appearance of Zombies, which would Superficially be zombies; like if we had superficial genetically engineered vampires or werewolves.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:30 pm
Like I've been trying to point out, speed would do nothing against the faster zombies. They may be a few MPH slower than Tyson Gay, but even he can't run forever, unlike the undead. Speed means nothing when faced with things that have both speed and infinite stamina. That's probably why the characters in Dawn of the Dead opted for heavy vehicles (aside from it being in the script and viewers thinking it's cool), to be able to bash through crowds of zombies that they couldn't outrun.
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:51 am
But your talking of running as if it's impossible. whee
And not all Zombies, especially not all the "Modern Ones", are reanimated dead. Again, there's the whole "It looks like a zombie, acts like a zombie, and is like a zombie, so therefore it's a zombie" syndrome.
Granted, if it's reanimated magically, then yes it could potentially have unlimited stamina. But you, as a person, don't need to be able to outrun zombies forever. Just long enough to escape. But that, you could scale a tree, climb a wall, jump in some kind of protective faculty, or hell, even turn around and shoot the damn things with your gun. Again, it's not impossible.
Now, if the Zombie CAN run at 40 mph for endless hours, you are at a bit of a disadvantage. But, you could just stay on the top of a really high, heavily guarded building (or on one of the levels) with anyway into the room barricaded and stay up there for years with your trusty weapon, water, and a crapload of food. If you were smart, every time it rained you could gather fresh water and store it, so you'd have large reserves, and you'd be able to combine the said water with possibly dehydrated food, for simply better storage.
But let's take a look at Vampires. Fast, Smart, Strong, have Magic, and are magically undead- usually unlimited stamina. Would you even think "Oh, it's impossible to kill or hunt down a Vampire becuase it's faster than me!". Well, probably. But the point is, it's really not that bad and there are many other things just like it- such as cheetahs, and lions, and bears- that we manage to get away from.
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:07 pm
The best zombie killing weapon? Chuck Norris. blaugh
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:35 pm
I have actually studied zombies from more ancient myths and legends. They all agree that the best way to kill a zombie is to destroy the cerebral cortex. Therefore a mid caliber pistol with a high capacity magazine or a semi automatic asault rifle with a 30rd magazine would be the idea firearms. Axes, spears, and bladed weapons would be the best hand to hand combat weapons. I know i will be desputed in this so I am going to say, I study ancient mythology and have touched on the subject of zombies. Usually they are portrayed as magically reanimated corpse used by necromancers as combat troops. The most sound way to wipe out a zombie is to kill who is controling them. Though in today's society where there is the possiblility of an epidemic that creates zombie like entities we have no way of guessing what they will actually be able to do.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:15 pm
Well, if we're talking about magically reanimated dead then you basically have to turn them into a bunch of little pieces so that they won't do anything.
Becuase if it's magic, it disobeys the laws of physics and therefore, at this point, anything can happen, so, yeah...
However...
If we are talking about some kind of scientific explanation to describe the event we initially believe to be Zombies, then, it becomes a lot simpler.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:34 am
If you have an emplacement. I'd go for an M134. (yes, you can get one legally, there are 11 legal to own Miniguns in the USA)
Now, for a not totally off the wall weapon. I'm a shotgun person myself. I find that a Browning 12 gauge semi auto would be a wonderful weapon to have. They require less accuracy than a pistol or assault rifle, and even if you miss, you still deliver enough force to knock the offending not quite dead skullmuncher to the ground.
Shotguns are also capable of being loaded with several types of ammunition. Slugs and shot are the most common, but they have taser rounds (wonder of those would mess with a zombie?), and even grenades (AA12 to be precise.... I want one, but it's military only)
Phosphorus rounds could be used to ignite a zombie, and maybe even catch his buddies aflame.
Now, for melee, I notice that you said that shovels seemed to be outlandish. The people that fought in WW2 would disagree. They sharpened their trench shovels and used them to devastating effect. Spetznaz even have a class regarding the art of the thrown shovel in combat. A good steel trench shovel would server a myriad of purposes.
Blunt force trauma, good for stunning the living and the not quite dead. Sharpened edges and it's weight make it an excellent ax for not only skulls, but wood as well. Plus, you can still dig holes with it. They could also be used as a prybar in certain situations, though, not nearly as tough as a crowbar.
Now that I think about it, you know what I haven't seen in here yet? Bows or Crossbows. A good archer could be a damn handy companion, and they can make arrows out of a straight stick and leaves if it's desperate. Quiet, reusable (mostly) and pretty lightweight. I know that they don't have the best rate of fire, but for a small group, or an individual, it would be preferable than firing off a gun and attracting the whole horde on the other side of the hill.
Now, zombies themselves. I've always wondered what was so scary about the slow guys. Other than the near unstoppable part. They're stronger than they were in life from what I've seen, but not entirely smart. Something else that I keep seeing is everyone always seems to think that each type is mutually exclusive.
Zombies of nearly any type would have a shelf life. Flesh rots at a pretty predictable rate, and the bugs and wildlife would likely have a good ol feast. (hope they don't get infected, we'd be boned then). How bout this? Maybe zombies do start out fast as hell, when the meat is fresh and still has all the liquid and nutrients inside. Then as time wears on, and they take damage from say scrapes, bits of sharp metal they brush against, falls, ect, they start slowing down because the muscles are decaying.
That's how I would imagine things personally, but then again, what do I know? Angry Rabies zombies. Those would just suck. I think they did a movie on that recently. Quarantine I think it was called. Some nutty terrorist brewed it up in his apartment with rats as the carrier vector. Well rats then humans. Those ones didn't care when you shot em either, they tried to bite you until the brain died from blood loss or trauma. Not something any of us want to deal with I'm sure.
Shotguns, explosions, fire, blunt/sharp force trauma. All effective methods of zombie removal, and all of them have a veritable plethora of application instruments. In the end, it's all about playing to your strengths. I jitter and twitch too much to be a good marksman. So, I use shotguns.
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