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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:45 pm
Hoshioni Hugel I am tired hearing about false claims and all the debunking of global warming just as I'm tired of PETA handing me fliers telling me to stop eating my omelet. Much of the things they tell us to do are small scaled improvements but that only lessons the overall problem by how much? Minuscule And many people who practices these practices, very likely have done so for many years. . Like you said there are some larger and bigger problems we need to take care of. Deforestation, Factory Wastes, and large corporate disposal practices are the larger issues that need to be taken care of first and foremost. When they fix their issues it's easier for the normal person to change their habits because alteration of the major problem ends up alternating consumer use. ooooorrrrr we could just boycott products/companys who we pay indirectly to impolute, before taxes. to bleed there vaults dry, so they have to listen to us or become poor We totally could if no one minded living without electricty, oil, hot water, meat products etc, for several months. Most of the factories and facilities that are causing the biggest problems are the most difficult to move away from in our modern lives. For example. mills for chicken, beef and pork. PETA thrives on the cruelty and the disgusting conditions these places have. They concentrate on the pain and suffering of the animals. Then they tell people like me to stop eating meat and switch to soy and other proteins like nuts and such. Trouble is...I have food allergies to all the alternatives they have. PETA also forgets to mention the toxicity and the pollution these farms produce. The toxins and poisons range from the hormone induced diets, animal wastes, fertilizers if they grow their feed, the blood that results in the slaughter. These wastes high phosphorous, high nitrogen and many more, kill plants, contaminate fields and our ground water. how would we stop this? By going to your suggestion, boycotting the foods, it would make PETA happy, it would also drive these farms out of business and those that are connection with them. But the boycott would only be effective if people practiced it on a large scale and if the people who needed to eat these foods had access to more 'friendly' meat, like the local chicken and duck farm who sells to local butchers and supplies these birds fresh if you're looking for some fresh chicken roast. Unfortunately the price if you live in the city for these birds or meat is high especially when all these foods are stamped with the eye catching guilt suppressing "ORGANIC" or "FREE RANGED" The Amazon rosewoods are being cut down for lumber, furniture, and instruments, poor workers are paid less than 3 US dollar for their work a day. That rose wood guitar sitting in that music shop is ~166% more than the pay of a worker. The rose wood is obtained by illegal logging, illegal purchasing, and mislabeling, so whoever buys that guitar, never knows the wood came from protected areas of the rain forest and therefor unknowingly pays for the continuation of the logging. What I'm saying is to boycott effectively would mean as a consumer we would have to informed of the entire line of work that resulted in the product. And for us to have an alternative to turn to if we boycott these products. And when people mention about biofuel as an alternatives these people need to be aware that unlike other countries where the carbon sequestration process is more equal in it's carbon production than oil production for corn oil, for the US the sequestration of carbon in corn versus the production of carbon dioxide for the production of corn oils is still by-far the largest difference compared to say Europe or China. So far corn bio fuel benefits in the US is very small, but no one wants to put money in bio fuel produced by algae.
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:49 pm
1 oroganic food, free range animals. dont buy the horomone pumped cows, pigs, etc
2. that fake soy crap is bad for you anyways
3.not all farms have those bad things
4. alternate energys, you can buy for yourself.
5. farmer markets. local people growing normal foods.
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:32 pm
Hoshioni [Kegan] Hearing only the thing about ice taking up more space than water. Yes, it does, but it can build up vertically, and a lot of it isn't floating. And the cool water entering the ocean changes the direction of the Atlantic currents. ... And then reading on Human beings become ill from prolonged exposure to pure oxygen, for that reason, pure oxygen is generally mixed with something else. An overabundance of CO2 may cause plants to call upon resources they don't have.... I'm not entirely certain of this though. Plants need balance, though. And calling upon someone to try to grow a plant in a vacuum, when they claim that too much CO2 is a bad thing must be some sort of logical fallacy, but I can't even rationalize it enough to classify it. To people wishing to argue. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/Behold what The Google hath wrought. the saying tip of the iceberg isnt just for show yo, theres more of it under the water.,....try agian and i say we need Co2 and oxigen, thats like saying you need dark more then light etc icebergs aren't glaciers yo.,....try agian Also, a vacuum has neither CO2 nor O2. The person you were arguing with claimed a high CO2 concentration was bad for plants, and you responded by telling him to try to grow plants in a vacuum.
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:50 pm
Biofuels can be produced from what is normally considered waste, or problem plants---it seems foolish to me to use a food source such as corn. Check my profile page for a couple of videos.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:25 am
Wow there are some people with very loose grasps of reality arguing here...sheesh.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:13 am
Perhaps not loose grasp of reality. More like I know what I'm capable of doing.
Hoshioni, when I refer to 'Farms' in the second paragraph I'm refering to the slaughter houses.
The farms I talk about in the third paragraphs are the local farmers who are local.
Organic and Free ranged labels are sometimes mislabels, better off going to your local farmer, but for city people it's not really all that practical.
Farmer Markets, local people, but these days especially the farmers where I live are under the strain of big companies, forcing them to use genetically altered seeds that are more tolerant of high salinity, cold and diseases, so they can maintian their imcome. Many of these seeds are one season, and the seed produced by the crop are sterile which forces the farmers to buy because of contract from those big companies. So they may grow natural foods with monitored pesticides and such, but they are hurting because prices for seed keeps going up with forces them to increase their prices. I usually buy my corn and strawberries from them because they're better, but if I have to buy other products I rather opt for the supermarket because it's cheaper.
Time, money and patiences of the consumer plays a big role.
Sunsetmile : I'm well aware of using wastes as fuels, there are garbage burning plants where they burn our wastes as fuel. But there is a large investment in biofuels like corn oil. Problems plants could be a good idea but harvesting them would mean making them into a crop for that biofuel. :/ And many problem plants aren't all that useful for biofuels, since they are usually go under ruderals (weedy plants that are rapid growth and rapid seed production) They don't really produce enough fruit to advantageously use as bio fuel.
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:55 pm
@ Hugel--I was thinking of the power plants that are using cellulose, not sugar, to produce fuel. That can be any plant, like the switchgrass in the little video, which grows in marginal areas. It's not a plant that would be replacing a food crop, it's using a plant that is naturally occurring in areas not suitable for normal agriculture. This would still leave those marginal farming areas usable for grazing and providing habitat to the animals that live in that environment already, and give the farmer another "crop."
It's common in this part of the country to see landfills with methane wells. After the landfill is capped, the methane is used to produce electricity, and the land is developed at the end of its methane-producing lifespan. Since many of these landfills are municipally owned, quite often they become public parks.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:32 pm
CO2 is a major greenhouse gas that contributes to global warming. Plants do need it to survive but too much of anything can kill anything just like too much mercury in your system can kill you. It all depends on the dose. CO2 fluctuates with temperature and actually too much of it causes an increase of temperature as Algore has clearly stated. If temperatures increase, then the ocean will expand naturally, and glaciers and ice on land will melt and increase sea level. Glaciers don't cause an increase in sea level because it is already in the ocean, it is when Iceburg Calving occurs that causes an increase in sea level because it is ice that is on land. If all of Greenland were to melt, sea level would rise by 20 ft.
I am not saying any of you are wrong. You all have bright ideas and I think that we should respect each other in what we say and the way we say it. Right now I notice that a lot of people focus on the "I'm right and you're wrong" approach, so maybe, if it isn't too much to ask, read and analyze what the other person is saying and if you can prove them wrong, do so, but in a polite manner, and if you're wrong, admit it and go your own way. There are many things that I do not know and I will not speak when I don't know about things. I agree with all of you when you say we should focus on things such as the pollution of oceans, deforestation, or the chemicals placed in our foods but simply stating those things will not help. Take action and join an organization that helps improve our environment in one way or another. If you have a big problem with the chemicals in our food, don't purchase food like that and join a campaign that fights this. What I am meaning to say is that it is difficult when you just talk about things and you are upset about it yet you are not doing anything about it. I believe that we all have an environmental peeve in us in some form or another, whether its deforestation or slaughtering of whales, just do something about it no matter how slight.
My contribution is by informing others of what is occurring and letting them formulate their own opinion, but it's always good to know the facts. The matter of fact is that everyone has their own opinion and as much as you may disagree with them, respect them, move on and try to inform others. Now, here is my question, I've been trying to create a profile to inform others of what is going on in the world and I'm adding facts as I learn things in my Environmental Science class, but I would like to know what else I could add to it. Please check it out and pm me later about anything else I could add. It could also be funny things like, "If it weren't for electricity, we'd all be watching TV by candlelight."
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