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 Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:10 pm
VK Fox All of the Law is not binding. If you want to accept that quote that you have as authoritative, then you have to accept pork and shellfish as well. That promise / punishment is not applicable if you cannot find a NT verse that brings it back up again.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:13 pm
PawzPrint VK Fox All of the Law is not binding. If you want to accept that quote that you have as authoritative, then you have to accept pork and shellfish as well. That promise / punishment is not applicable if you cannot find a NT verse that brings it back up again. They're good ones. But I have a question that I want you to consider when reading them. Does the blood of Christ cover all sins that you have done past, present, and future? Only past?
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:17 pm
VK Fox PawzPrint VK Fox All of the Law is not binding. If you want to accept that quote that you have as authoritative, then you have to accept pork and shellfish as well. That promise / punishment is not applicable if you cannot find a NT verse that brings it back up again. They're good ones. But I have a question that I want you to consider when reading them. Does the blood of Christ cover all sins that you have done past, present, and future? Only past?
Also, I was bought at the price of Jesus. My body is not my own to do with as I please. Life is a gift. To kill ourselves is like spitting that back in God's face.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:20 pm
PawzPrint VK Fox PawzPrint VK Fox All of the Law is not binding. If you want to accept that quote that you have as authoritative, then you have to accept pork and shellfish as well. That promise / punishment is not applicable if you cannot find a NT verse that brings it back up again. They're good ones. But I have a question that I want you to consider when reading them. Does the blood of Christ cover all sins that you have done past, present, and future? Only past?
Also, I was bought at the price of Jesus. My body is not my own to do with as I please. Life is a gift. To kill ourselves is like spitting that back in God's face. Any sin is like spitting in His face. From calling someone a name to brutal rape and murder.They all have equal value, and the same deadly consequences. Spiritually, if not physically, and it's the spirit that matters.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:28 pm
VK Fox PawzPrint VK Fox PawzPrint VK Fox All of the Law is not binding. If you want to accept that quote that you have as authoritative, then you have to accept pork and shellfish as well. That promise / punishment is not applicable if you cannot find a NT verse that brings it back up again. They're good ones. But I have a question that I want you to consider when reading them. Does the blood of Christ cover all sins that you have done past, present, and future? Only past?
Also, I was bought at the price of Jesus. My body is not my own to do with as I please. Life is a gift. To kill ourselves is like spitting that back in God's face. Any sin is like spitting in His face. From calling someone a name to brutal rape and murder.They all have equal value, and the same deadly consequences. Spiritually, if not physically, and it's the spirit that matters.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:52 pm
Suicide? Well, I think killing yourself is selfish. Imagine all the people, crying, felling bad and even wanting to kill them selves for you. Heck, God might be crying to if you killed yourself.
Truly, I have no idea where the people that killed themselves will go. But what I do know is that there is no point in killing yourself when you can just ask for help from God.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:34 pm
Curse-of-the-Phoenix VK Fox What purpose does Purgatory have since Christ paid the debt? None. Not to mention the extreme lack of scriptural evidence. So, don't worry about that. I believe they could go to Hell. That depends entirely on their state of salvation. If they have been truly, Biblically saved.. If the last act I ever committed was to lie to my wife, would I go to Hell? You'll find that the answers to the suicide question and mine are the same. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that if you commit suicide, you will go to Hell. The Blood of Christ covers all sins, past, present, and future. I agree with your Purgatory Comment, but your comment about Suicide could not be further from the truth, YOU GO TO HELL, God states in Genesis (Roughly said i don't have my bible right now) "He who spills the blood of my creation has no place in my kingdom" could that not be any clearer YOU ARE GODS CREATION, no acception, SUICIDE IS A SINThat only applies to someoine that isn't saved. If they are saved they would still go to heaven. "For by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not of yourselves, it is a gift of God." Ephesians 2:8. It says it's a gift from God if God took away that salvation when we sin then it wouldn't be a gift, thus going against his nature. Also the scripture you quote is under the old covenant not the new one that we are bound by.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:49 pm
Curse-of-the-Phoenix Secret_lillies PawzPrint 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV
[19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV
[16] Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? [17] If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple. i have a question about this one so if we don't respect our bodies by doing drugs and we don't ask for forgiveness before we die we go to hell too? Yes that's what happens, flat out yes, your body is Gods temple and by desecrating your body you are desecrating his Temple. NO! once we are saved we go to Heaven. If we stole and died we go to Heaven if we are saved. Even if we don't ask for forgiveness. Once you are saved you're saved! You won't go to hell if you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior!
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:51 pm
VK Fox Curse-of-the-Phoenix VK Fox Curse-of-the-Phoenix VK Fox What purpose does Purgatory have since Christ paid the debt? None. Not to mention the extreme lack of scriptural evidence. So, don't worry about that. I believe they could go to Hell. That depends entirely on their state of salvation. If they have been truly, Biblically saved.. If the last act I ever committed was to lie to my wife, would I go to Hell? You'll find that the answers to the suicide question and mine are the same. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that if you commit suicide, you will go to Hell. The Blood of Christ covers all sins, past, present, and future. I agree with your Purgatory Comment, but your comment about Suicide could not be further from the truth, YOU GO TO HELL, God states in Genesis (Roughly said i don't have my bible right now) "He who spills the blood of my creation has no place in my kingdom" could that not be any clearer YOU ARE GODS CREATION, no acception, SUICIDE IS A SINBy that logic we go to Hell for eating pork. Do you like pork? How about shellfish? Prove it under the New Testament, which is what is binding for Christians. What the heck for one the pork thing is wrong God abolished that in Genesis. If you disobey one of his laws you are guilty of breaking all laws, if you steal a cookie that's just as bad as killing someone, there are punishments for actions such as murder or suicide God condemns you because if you say you love him and you will live your life for him (Baptism) and then go break his laws you go to hell, why do you ask? because if you love God you will obey his laws, and of course everyone slips up but if you are truly sorry you can be forgiven, though I hate it when I run into ignorance in this field its why I quit other guilds. And yes because you are a living human if you kill yourself its murder, God said in Genesis "He who spills the blood of man shall be condemned" that is Gods domain not mans to dwell in, we do our best to stay alive not to stop it. All of the Law is not binding. If you want to accept that quote that you have as authoritative, then you have to accept pork and shellfish as well. That promise / punishment is not applicable if you cannot find a NT verse that brings it back up again. That scripture doesn't really explain the eatting unclean food part of the law. The reason we eat those things is because in Act 10:9-16 it talks about Peter's vision in which the Lord laid out a banquet containing all the unclean animals. God said "Get up Peter and eat." The Peter said "Surely not, Lord! I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." Then God says "Don't call my creations impure or unclean." That happened three times then the banquet was taken back. Anyways just because it says something in the Old Testiment and it doesn't say it in the New Testiment doesn't mean it doesn't apply to us. The reason why the Law doesn't apply to us is because of salvation and the fact that we should already want to do what's right. For it says "Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God" Romans 3:19.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:23 pm
Secret_lillies NO! once we are saved we go to Heaven. If we stole and died we go to Heaven if we are saved. Even if we don't ask for forgiveness. Once you are saved you're saved! You won't go to hell if you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior! 
Really? > <
So when I'm saved, I can go around stealing, killing, enjoying life knowing I'm going to heaven? It totally goes against James 4:17 Sin applies to all people, whether you're saved or not. Why do u think we have to ask for forgiveness, when we slip up?
And gothic_black_rose, I agree with your comment above. The eating unclean food is part of the ceremonial law, which people needed in order to cleanse themselves, but since we, who are now saved, due to Christ's payment for us, we don't fall under that law. But there is the moral law, which still applies to us. Read Matthew 5:17.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:37 pm
Ravenous Kitkat Secret_lillies NO! once we are saved we go to Heaven. If we stole and died we go to Heaven if we are saved. Even if we don't ask for forgiveness. Once you are saved you're saved! You won't go to hell if you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior!
Really? > <
So when I'm saved, I can go around stealing, killing, enjoying life knowing I'm going to heaven? It totally goes against James 4:17 Sin applies to all people, whether you're saved or not. Why do u think we have to ask for forgiveness, when we slip up?
And gothic_black_rose, I agree with your comment above. The eating unclean food is part of the ceremonial law, which people needed in order to cleanse themselves, but since we, who are now saved, due to Christ's payment for us, we don't fall under that law. But there is the moral law, which still applies to us. Read Matthew 5:17.You didn't read my other post to Curse-of-the-Phoenix. That only applies to someone that isn't saved. If they are saved they would still go to heaven. "For by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not of yourselves, it is a gift of God." Ephesians 2:8. It says it's a gift from God if God took away that salvation when we sin then it wouldn't be a gift, thus going against his nature. Also "Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God" Romans 3:19 goes with this as well. The law doesn't apply to us for we should already being doing what is right. If we don't then that effects our walk and we end up backsliding.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:00 pm
Okay I have a question
He said he is the way the truth and the life and nobody goes to the father but by him.
Wouldn't that also mean that you don't get into Heaven by asking for forgiveness. You would get into Heaven by accepting him.
and don't get mad at this, it's just a question.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:17 pm
Secret_lillies NO! once we are saved we go to Heaven. If we stole and died we go to Heaven if we are saved. Even if we don't ask for forgiveness. Once you are saved you're saved! You won't go to hell if you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior!
Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
This passage implies that names can be blotted out from the book of life. Which means that you can lose your salvation.
Romans 8:38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Entirely true. This doesn't mention free will. Even after being saved, a person can still reject Jesus.
THEN,
Hebrews 6:4-6 tells us: "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
So, once you do that, you've "crossed the line," so to speak.
Source from X
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:12 am
PawzPrint Secret_lillies NO! once we are saved we go to Heaven. If we stole and died we go to Heaven if we are saved. Even if we don't ask for forgiveness. Once you are saved you're saved! You won't go to hell if you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior!
Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
This passage implies that names can be blotted out from the book of life. Which means that you can lose your salvation.
Romans 8:38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Entirely true. This doesn't mention free will. Even after being saved, a person can still reject Jesus.
THEN,
Hebrews 6:4-6 tells us: "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
So, once you do that, you've "crossed the line," so to speak.
Source from X
What?! Revelation 3:5 means the complete opposite. Anyways you aren't reading the previous post. "For by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not of yourselves, it is a gift of God." Ephesians 2:8. It says it's a gift from God if God took away that salvation when we sin then it wouldn't be a gift, thus going against his nature. Also you can't say that only a certain type of sin can have your salvation taken away for no one sin is greater than another for they all keep us from God. That is why God gave us grace, which is undeserved favor, so that we may be able to to have salavation. If it can be taken away then is no longer by grace because that means we have to deserve it. Just because someone sins doesn't mean their salvation is taken away. Then no one would be able to go to heaven "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23. If that were the case then Jesus would have died for nothing.
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:37 am
I agree with Gothic_Black_Rose
and sorry this post is short i am tired so i don't want to argue right now.
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