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 Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:07 pm
Sinner Explaining what, exactly? the details and origen of magic.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:00 pm
So perhaps you should actually come up with a definition for magic, since your explanation is completely useless without it. Once we've got that, we can start to make some headway.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:12 pm
Sinner So perhaps you should actually come up with a definition for magic, since your explanation is completely useless without it. Once we've got that, we can start to make some headway. Ok. Magic is the physical manifestation of demonic/satanic works and/or deeds.
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:03 am
Cometh The Inquisitor Sinner So perhaps you should actually come up with a definition for magic, since your explanation is completely useless without it. Once we've got that, we can start to make some headway. Ok. Magic is the physical manifestation of demonic/satanic works and/or deeds. Quote: Whoa, you get to redefine words to fit your belief system?
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:58 pm
Sinner Whoa, you get to redefine words to fit your belief system? I'm no more re-defining magic by what I say then I am re-defining gravity by when I say that it is the bends of space-time.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:02 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Sinner Whoa, you get to redefine words to fit your belief system? I'm no more re-defining magic by what I say then I am re-defining gravity by when I say that it is the bends of space-time. That would be redefining gravity if you were claiming that "something which bends space-time" was the definition of gravity. That's a property, not a definition. You understand the difference, yes? Here's a refresher course. A circle is defined as "closed plane curve every point of which is equidistant from a fixed point within the curve". An example of a property of a circle is that it has no corners. In the same manner, your claim that magic is "[insert standard MAGIK R EBUL garbage]" isn't a definition, but a property.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:01 pm
Sinner That would be redefining gravity if you were claiming that "something which bends space-time" was the definition of gravity. That's a property, not a definition. You understand the difference, yes? No. The question: What is Gravity? The answer: Curvatures in space-time. It is also, conveniently, the force that attracts one mass to another. Both are definitions of the same word. Both are correct. However, the second one is not as complete as the first. Quote: In the same manner, your claim that magic is "[insert standard MAGIK R EBUL garbage]" isn't a definition, but a property. Did I ever say Magic is evil? Well, maybe. But not in my definition of it. I simply stated it's what it is (like, when defining salt, one could say 'sodium chloride', or 'a chemical compound formed by replacing all or part of the hydrogen ions of an acid with metal ions or electropositive radicals'.)
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:33 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor No. The question: What is Gravity? The answer: Curvatures in space-time. It is also, conveniently, the force that attracts one mass to another. Both are definitions of the same word. Both are correct. However, the second one is not as complete as the first. You know what? I've been making this much more complex than it needs to be. Let's back up to this bit. Quote: Magic is the physical manifestation of demonic/satanic works and/or deeds. Since the dictionary disagrees with your definition, back it up.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:01 pm
Sinner Since the dictionary disagrees with your definition, back it up. The dictionary also fails to say that the sun is held on the head of Ra each day, who then descends into the underworld so that he can die and be reborn. A.K.A. the dictionary does not take one religious veiw over the other. In christianity, magic is the physical manifestation of demonic/satanic works and/or deeds, but it... say... Shintoism, it is one of many the kami doing something.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:14 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor A.K.A. the dictionary does not take one religious veiw over the other. In christianity, magic is the physical manifestation of demonic/satanic works and/or deeds, but it... say... Shintoism, it is one of many the kami doing something. So you are redefining words to fit your belief system. Got it.
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:12 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:21 pm
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:45 pm
I am not in this guild. But I would like to say something about magick. I am wiccan. And I would like to ask you all how magick can be the work of the devil if Wiccans do not even have a devil in their religion? I probably won't be back to this guild, so please pm me if you think I am wrong or wish to debate this fact. I would also like to say that Wiccans rely heavily on nature and natural things. They like animals and when doing something even as simple as taking a stick from a tree they must say please and thank you. And if your God does not like magick and thinks it is wrong, why is it still on Earth? Why is their pain and suffering? Why do people die, and why aren't people happy all the time? Why do people go crazy? Please explain that to me in the pm.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:51 pm
Edward McShrimpy I am not in this guild. But I would like to say something about magick. I am wiccan. And I would like to ask you all how magick can be the work of the devil if Wiccans do not even have a devil in their religion? I probably won't be back to this guild, so please pm me if you think I am wrong or wish to debate this fact. I would also like to say that Wiccans rely heavily on nature and natural things. They like animals and when doing something even as simple as taking a stick from a tree they must say please and thank you. And if your God does not like magick and thinks it is wrong, why is it still on Earth? Why is their pain and suffering? Why do people die, and why aren't people happy all the time? Why do people go crazy? Please explain that to me in the pm. I sent a PM.
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:37 am
Edward McShrimpy I am not in this guild. But I would like to say something about magick. I am wiccan. And I would like to ask you all how magick can be the work of the devil if Wiccans do not even have a devil in their religion? I probably won't be back to this guild, so please pm me if you think I am wrong or wish to debate this fact. I would also like to say that Wiccans rely heavily on nature and natural things. They like animals and when doing something even as simple as taking a stick from a tree they must say please and thank you. And if your God does not like magick and thinks it is wrong, why is it still on Earth? Why is their pain and suffering? Why do people die, and why aren't people happy all the time? Why do people go crazy? Please explain that to me in the pm. first off, magic is not spelt with a k. don't be a fluff-bunny. secondly, the most basic tenants of any religion is that it is correct. The basic tenants of christianity is that christianity is correct, the basic tenants of wicca is that it is correct. However, when two totally opposing viewpoints are brought together, only one can possible be correct. Now, since I am a christian, I believe that christianity is correct. Now, regardless of what you believe about the devil, he exists. Otherwise, my religion would be wrong and there is no point to arguing the wrong thing. now, all magic comes from sources other than God. That is basically what delineates magic from miracles. Now, all things not God are either The Satan (the devil) or one of his minions (demons). Therefore, regardless of how 'white' your magic is, it is still of demonic origen. Quote: And if your God does not like magick and thinks it is wrong, why is it still on Earth? Because God allows us free will. Quote: Why is their pain and suffering? see the first answer. Quote: Why do people die, and why aren't people happy all the time? Well, I personally think that physical death has always been around, but spritual death came from The Fall. Why do people go crazy? Well, see Genesis 6:1-3 for this.
Please explain that to me in the pm.
done, but I posted this anyways just in case you want to have a public discussion.
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