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hazellazer

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:23 pm


Well the thing is I'm just not really sure what to do but that's why I'm asking for advice ^-^
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:55 pm


PhantomoftheFox
I always liked the forehead kiss because it really is such a little, unimportant thing. It shows how Erik had been denied even the smallest bit of human kindness, and how very little it took to make him happy.

A kiss on the forehead isn't very big or powerful, but taken in the context that he probably hasn't had any real physical contact with Christine, aside from dragging her around, it's a big thing.

Then again, if you really had to you could do both... Have him kiss her on the forehead and then she kisses him on the lips. *shrugs* But I definately prefer the forehead kiss for it's poignancy.
I agree. I always loved the forehead kiss because it emphasized the total lack of human kindness showed to Erik, but then I like the lips kis too...

QuestionL will Erik have a kitty? (Ayesha)

Erin Sovenya


hazellazer

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:09 am


Erin Sovenya
PhantomoftheFox
I always liked the forehead kiss because it really is such a little, unimportant thing. It shows how Erik had been denied even the smallest bit of human kindness, and how very little it took to make him happy.

A kiss on the forehead isn't very big or powerful, but taken in the context that he probably hasn't had any real physical contact with Christine, aside from dragging her around, it's a big thing.

Then again, if you really had to you could do both... Have him kiss her on the forehead and then she kisses him on the lips. *shrugs* But I definately prefer the forehead kiss for it's poignancy.
I agree. I always loved the forehead kiss because it emphasized the total lack of human kindness showed to Erik, but then I like the lips kis too...

Question: will Erik have a kitty? (Ayesha)

Ayesha is from the Kay book, right? I haven't read it so I do not know... I don't really think so... mainly because I am trying to stick to Leroux.

I think if I do use a lip kiss it won't be anything like the ALW kiss... just like... a tiny...tiny little peck on the lips.

Though the forehead kiss might be better for the girl who is playing Christine, especially if a much older man is playing Erik. (The girl who is playing Christine is my lover >.>)
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:22 pm


I really want to know what I can do to make Raoul a likable character since the general concensus is "Grrr. Erik>Raoul, Dogshit>Raoul"

hazellazer


Erin Sovenya

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:55 pm


BakaTulip
I really want to know what I can do to make Raoul a likable character since the general concensus is "Grrr. Erik>Raoul, Dogshit>Raoul"
play on the fact that he's a sailor. Most girls like guys in uniform. There isn't much you can actually do for him, I'm afraid. Maybe you could ask the Mini Raoul Fan Club.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:32 pm


If you play him like he is in Leroux you shouldn't have much of a problem... Raoul's a very likeable guy, albeit highly confused through most of the story.

I haven't read the book in a while, so forgive me if I'm a bit off here...

But I think he should be very honest, emotional and genuine, to balance out Erik's sublty and deceit. Erik is crafty, manipulative, whereas Raoul wears his emotions on his sleeve and seems to take everything to extremes. But he's a gentleman through and through and a true romantic. He was raised on fairy tales just like Christine, and so he models himself after the courageous hero without ever meaning to.
And Christine is the only woman he's ever really loved. He loved her when they were children, but right when he began to think that he might love her as more than a friend they were seperated... And years later he sees her again and finally realizes that he's head over heels in love with her. But he becomes embroiled in this mystery surrounding her... He doesn't know anything about Erik, all he knows is that the woman he loves more than anything in the world is in love with another man. He's crushed, initially his pride is wounded and he's a little bitter, but when he starts to realize that Christine might be in trouble he's immediately resolved to help her, even if she doesn't love him.
Another thing off the top of my head is that, while Christine and Raoul were both raised on fairy tales, Raoul has grown up a little. While Christine is still so deeply entangled in fantasy that she can't even tell when she's being tricked, Raoul is old enough to realize that the fairy tales aren't really true. And although he is young and inexperienced, he isn't stupid or naive. He's the first person to realize that the Angel of Music is someone's way of tricking Christine.

Just throwing out ideas here...

PhantomoftheFox


hazellazer

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:31 am


@ Erin: I have been wanting to play that up... and that is easily done with costume... since he is a high ranking sailor, if I'm not mistaken so... wearing a dress uniform at the opera perhaps?


@ Fox- O_O Thaaaaaaaank you. You're so right about Christine being entangled in her fantasy, but I'm not sure it's immaturity because I find Christine to be very mature... She has a weak spot left by the death of her father, it's like a giant gaping hole in her heart and when Erik pretends to be her angel of music, she fills that hole with connections to her father because she has been miserable so long that she just wants to cling to this happiness, and it's specifically his voice that she clings to, the sound of his voice, but she gets to a point that she has clung so tightly that she cannot let go and she cannot separate Erik from his voice in her senses of pity and fear and her will to get away.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:13 am


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@ Fox- O_O Thaaaaaaaank you. You're so right about Christine being entangled in her fantasy, but I'm not sure it's immaturity because I find Christine to be very mature... She has a weak spot left by the death of her father, it's like a giant gaping hole in her heart and when Erik pretends to be her angel of music, she fills that hole with connections to her father because she has been miserable so long that she just wants to cling to this happiness, and it's specifically his voice that she clings to, the sound of his voice, but she gets to a point that she has clung so tightly that she cannot let go and she cannot separate Erik from his voice in her senses of pity and fear and her will to get away.


Welcome. ^_^
I agree about the weak spot left by her father's death, but I don't think she continues to cling to it after she learns who Erik is. That scene where she wakes up, in more ways than one, to find herself trapped in the Louis-Philippe bedroom is really the moment she gets over her obsession with the Angel of Music. Her entire world basically comes crashing down around her when she finally comprehends that there was no Angel of Music. It was all a lie, just like Raoul told her. She was so willing to believe in some remnant of her father that she fell completely into this man's lies, and now she's in real danger for her stupidity and naivete. That's when she goes into the hysterics Erik finds her in... And notice that she never refers to him as the Angel of Music after that.
For a time she behaves like any other kidnap victim. She's afraid of Erik, to the point of arming herself with scissors in case he tries to hurt her, and everything she does when he's showing her around is in an effort to humor him... To placate him into letting her go, or allowing her a chance to escape. But at the same time, she learns about him, how he's in love with her and, like anyone, becomes interested. When he sings she's captivated by his voice again, but this time in connection with the man, not the Angel. She's practically getting off on listening to him sing now. That's when she gets grabby with the mask, and we all know how that goes, but after the inital scaries and temper tantrum are over she finally gets the fully picture. She realizes why he lives down there, why he couldn't approach her like a normal suitor, and that's when she gains that overwhelming pity for him (because remember, Christine is a very empathetic person) that keeps her coming back, even though she knows he's dangerous.

Whoo, post of DOOM.;

PhantomoftheFox


hazellazer

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:33 am


PhantomoftheFox
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@ Fox- O_O Thaaaaaaaank you. You're so right about Christine being entangled in her fantasy, but I'm not sure it's immaturity because I find Christine to be very mature... She has a weak spot left by the death of her father, it's like a giant gaping hole in her heart and when Erik pretends to be her angel of music, she fills that hole with connections to her father because she has been miserable so long that she just wants to cling to this happiness, and it's specifically his voice that she clings to, the sound of his voice, but she gets to a point that she has clung so tightly that she cannot let go and she cannot separate Erik from his voice in her senses of pity and fear and her will to get away.


Welcome. ^_^
I agree about the weak spot left by her father's death, but I don't think she continues to cling to it after she learns who Erik is. That scene where she wakes up, in more ways than one, to find herself trapped in the Louis-Philippe bedroom is really the moment she gets over her obsession with the Angel of Music. Her entire world basically comes crashing down around her when she finally comprehends that there was no Angel of Music. It was all a lie, just like Raoul told her. She was so willing to believe in some remnant of her father that she fell completely into this man's lies, and now she's in real danger for her stupidity and naivete. That's when she goes into the hysterics Erik finds her in... And notice that she never refers to him as the Angel of Music after that.
For a time she behaves like any other kidnap victim. She's afraid of Erik, to the point of arming herself with scissors in case he tries to hurt her, and everything she does when he's showing her around is in an effort to humor him... To placate him into letting her go, or allowing her a chance to escape. But at the same time, she learns about him, how he's in love with her and, like anyone, becomes interested. When he sings she's captivated by his voice again, but this time in connection with the man, not the Angel. She's practically getting off on listening to him sing now. That's when she gets grabby with the mask, and we all know how that goes, but after the inital scaries and temper tantrum are over she finally gets the fully picture. She realizes why he lives down there, why he couldn't approach her like a normal suitor, and that's when she gains that overwhelming pity for him (because remember, Christine is a very empathetic person) that keeps her coming back, even though she knows he's dangerous.

Whoo, post of DOOM.;
Right, no the clinging to the voice... or rather under a spell of the voice of sorts thing I was referring to was near the end which is why she asks Raoul to take her away after the show by force if she wouldn't leave.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:49 pm


Raoul: The thing that I find people often over look about Raoul is the simple fact that he isn't a fop or girly man, but a very brave and if you go by the book also probably very physically fit. He volunteered for an artic naval voyage, something that would take a whole lot of courage and physical strength and endurance back then. To be a naval officer was hard enough work, let alone to be excepted onto an arctic mission.

Erik: I wouldn't go so far as autistic with Erik. Driven, insane, but not necessarily mentally challenged. I think more along the lines of what if Mozart was forced to live with the face of a monster? His brillance is natural and incredible, but his face an abomination. What makes Erik tragic is the fact that he would be applauded and honored in society if it weren't for his physical condition. Another note on Erik, in the book especially, Christine has every right to fear him. He is a monster and overly possesive. Too show him as simply a pityable creature does no justice to the book. He must be scary before pitied. I love when he makes Christine dig her nails into his face. "A rose by any other name..."

Christine: Blonde, that's all I've got to say.

Daroga: To often in the various plays/film versions, he is portrayed as a stereotype or completely rewritten to be someone else. The man is cunning and full of wit. The only man Erik every really respected and maybe even feared. If including him, do him justice.

As a fellow aspiring filmmaker, I've often thought of doing a true-to-book adaptation myself. The one element I've longed to actually explore is flashback scene's during the Daroga's description of Erik's past to Raoul. too many times Erik has been portrayed as either a circus freak or a man who's face is destroyed latter in life.

PhantomByNight


hazellazer

PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:38 pm


I do think Erik suffers from some type of mental disorder, perhaps autistim is extreme but he does have that lack of being able to connect with anything but his own thoughts.

And I so do not agree with your view of Christine. Read my notes on that, she's not a ditz at all... in fact I think she has the highest level of power in the book, played down a little but she runs just about everything. Erik just throws in a few plot twists.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:30 pm


BakaTulip
I do think Erik suffers from some type of mental disorder, perhaps autistim is extreme but he does have that lack of being able to connect with anything but his own thoughts.

And I so do not agree with your view of Christine. Read my notes on that, she's not a ditz at all... in fact I think she has the highest level of power in the book, played down a little but she runs just about everything. Erik just throws in a few plot twists.


You know, I didn't even mean it that way. I simply meant that she's always portrayed with brown hair instead of the blonde color she has in the book. Hadn't even thought that it would come off like I meant "a dumb blonde." I'll try to pick my words better next time.

PhantomByNight


hazellazer

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:56 am


PhantomByNight
BakaTulip
I do think Erik suffers from some type of mental disorder, perhaps autistim is extreme but he does have that lack of being able to connect with anything but his own thoughts.

And I so do not agree with your view of Christine. Read my notes on that, she's not a ditz at all... in fact I think she has the highest level of power in the book, played down a little but she runs just about everything. Erik just throws in a few plot twists.


You know, I didn't even mean it that way. I simply meant that she's always portrayed with brown hair instead of the blonde color she has in the book. Hadn't even thought that it would come off like I meant "a dumb blonde." I'll try to pick my words better next time.
Lol, whoops. I so read too much into things. But yes I was completely intending on having a blonde Christine.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:59 am


Writer's Note: Authors put themselves in a character. Gaston Leroux put himself in Daroga. ALW put himself in Erik. I guess I am putting myself in Christine.

hazellazer


hazellazer

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:36 am


I put up a section for casting, more an update thing than anything else.
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