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 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:10 pm
Apple, i can understand where you are coming from, trust me on this. i am hated in the same way for a number of different reason. i'm bisexual, i'm "pagan", i'm polyamorous and i own Slaves. i like the Swastika, and i am proud to say that i Honour the Confederate flag. if i were my current age back in the Civil War, i would have gladly fought for the Confederacy.
people are not going to just take that lying down. i don't have to be confrontational at all, the typical average joe american wants everyone to be a good little christian or atheist who sings the national anthem to the american flag, and hates everyone who isn't one of them.
sorry to say, that in some regards these people are right, you couldn't have expected anything better. but the fact of the matter is that that is exactly why we point out how ******** up it is to these people who hate us. it's why we fight back, in as non-violent a way as we can. we have to prove to them that we are not deserving of the threats and bigotry and hatred that we recieve. it's sad, but it's true. minorities of all kinds are going to suffer, and alot. we don't get anywhere without a fight.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:12 pm
Itachi_Hare Nebulance is right... you can't expect too much out of anybody this day and age. Apple is also right, things shouldn't be this way. I know that not all muslims are terrorists and it looks like everyone else in this thread does too. Most of the people who do things like what is being done to you are ignorant fools who delight in being close-minded and should be ignored because they are not worth anyone's time. If you feel paranoid just remember your internet safety rules :don't give out any info on where you live, ect.... and you should be safe. Also I would like to point out that there are a few people who seem to be trying to fight stereotypes like that if only people would pay attention, Don't mess with the Zohan is one of these movies (for those of you who haven't watched it, it helps promote peace between Jews and Muslims and makes the ignorant rednecks and greedy rich businessmen the bad guys which is how it is in the real world (for the most part)) The best way I can think of to fight such behavior is by writing books and making movies that get your message across ect... All I can say is my feelings are the same. People are dumb or ignorant, however you want to put it.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:35 pm
Quote: Muslims attacked us, Muslims blow up innocent people around the world, Muslims quote their Scripture when they behead prisoners... Something is wrong with the quoting thing. The following is a quote from Call Me Apple. QUOTE NO. Those are terrorists, they could claim any religion and still do the same thing. Are you aware that terrorists do suicide attacks DAILY in Pakistan? Killing their fellow "Muslims" They are not Muslims, dont even put them in the same category, good lord. END QUOTE QUOTE (from Nebulance) Maybe you don't think they are 'true' Muslims, but the onus is on you to show that. They don't just claim any religion, they claim Islam. It is not accurate for people to stereotype all Muslims as being extremists, but it's to be expected. END QUOTE (ME TALKING) So how come it's not expected for people to stereotype all christians as being racists and bigots. The KKK was a extremeist christian group that killed lots of people. Yet american's seem to convienently forget that when talking about terrorism. They only focus on muslim terrorist groups, when there are terror groups from almost every religion.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:48 pm
Chieftain Twilight Apple, i can understand where you are coming from, trust me on this. i am hated in the same way for a number of different reason. i'm bisexual, i'm "pagan", i'm polyamorous and i own Slaves. i like the Swastika, and i am proud to say that i Honour the Confederate flag. if i were my current age back in the Civil War, i would have gladly fought for the Confederacy. people are not going to just take that lying down. i don't have to be confrontational at all, the typical average joe american wants everyone to be a good little christian or atheist who sings the national anthem to the american flag, and hates everyone who isn't one of them. sorry to say, that in some regards these people are right, you couldn't have expected anything better. but the fact of the matter is that that is exactly why we point out how ******** up it is to these people who hate us. it's why we fight back, in as non-violent a way as we can. we have to prove to them that we are not deserving of the threats and bigotry and hatred that we recieve. it's sad, but it's true. minorities of all kinds are going to suffer, and alot. we don't get anywhere without a fight. I don't know if it's just me, but isn't that a little hypecritical, saying that minorities don't deserve the threats and hatred you get, when you support slavery (the lowering of the value of a whole race to that below human) and the nazi's (who killed millions so they could have the "perfect" german race)? The two comments just seem to contridict to me. I'm sorry if I'm being offensive, I just don't get how someone could support both views.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:50 pm
I think all religions have radicals, some are more extreme than others and show it in different ways. Stereotypes are created and then every one in that particular religion is associated with being the radical...But that doesn't mean every one in that religion is that way.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:55 pm
I sympathize with you, Call Me Apple. I've been lucky enough to live with a Muslim for a year in college and befriend a few others to know better. Unfortunately Muslims are the "enemy of the week" for many right now. I've also been in the camp where people thought I was a "moron who needed saving from myself" upon discovery of my beliefs. Part of may be the anonymity of the net, but it's also a time where people think freedom of speech means freedom from responsibility of such rights. Someone else here put it best: ignorance is the real terror here.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:15 pm
ever heard of Timothy McVeigh?
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:41 pm
Sashaajnin Chieftain Twilight Apple, i can understand where you are coming from, trust me on this. i am hated in the same way for a number of different reason. i'm bisexual, i'm "pagan", i'm polyamorous and i own Slaves. i like the Swastika, and i am proud to say that i Honour the Confederate flag. if i were my current age back in the Civil War, i would have gladly fought for the Confederacy. people are not going to just take that lying down. i don't have to be confrontational at all, the typical average joe american wants everyone to be a good little christian or atheist who sings the national anthem to the american flag, and hates everyone who isn't one of them. sorry to say, that in some regards these people are right, you couldn't have expected anything better. but the fact of the matter is that that is exactly why we point out how ******** up it is to these people who hate us. it's why we fight back, in as non-violent a way as we can. we have to prove to them that we are not deserving of the threats and bigotry and hatred that we recieve. it's sad, but it's true. minorities of all kinds are going to suffer, and alot. we don't get anywhere without a fight. I don't know if it's just me, but isn't that a little hypecritical, saying that minorities don't deserve the threats and hatred you get, when you support slavery (the lowering of the value of a whole race to that below human) and the nazi's (who killed millions so they could have the "perfect" german race)? The two comments just seem to contridict to me. I'm sorry if I'm being offensive, I just don't get how someone could support both views. well, just because i believe in slavery doesn't mean i believe in racial superiority. it's not about race to me. it's about me owning a human being. i don't care if your black, white, red, yellow or brown. if i own you i own you. if your free your free. i have plenty of black friends you know. i'm no racist. slavery hasn't always been about race. think back to the Vikings, the Romans, the Greeks, the Jews, the Egyptians, and various African tribes. they all had slaves. and it wasn't about race for them. it was about the spoils of war, or the law of their gods, or about politics. i support both views, because they are not intrinsically opposed the way you are brought up to think. also, i am not a neo-nazi. o_O; nazi-symapthizer at best, but i don't excuse their actions or goal. hitler got seriously ******** up, and went tottally mental.... alot of men gave in to fear and committed inexcusable crimes of war. the Swastika that i love is the origional Hindu symbol that i grew up around. my stepdad is Hindu you see.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:08 pm
Chieftain Twilight Sashaajnin Chieftain Twilight Apple, i can understand where you are coming from, trust me on this. i am hated in the same way for a number of different reason. i'm bisexual, i'm "pagan", i'm polyamorous and i own Slaves. i like the Swastika, and i am proud to say that i Honour the Confederate flag. if i were my current age back in the Civil War, i would have gladly fought for the Confederacy. people are not going to just take that lying down. i don't have to be confrontational at all, the typical average joe american wants everyone to be a good little christian or atheist who sings the national anthem to the american flag, and hates everyone who isn't one of them. sorry to say, that in some regards these people are right, you couldn't have expected anything better. but the fact of the matter is that that is exactly why we point out how ******** up it is to these people who hate us. it's why we fight back, in as non-violent a way as we can. we have to prove to them that we are not deserving of the threats and bigotry and hatred that we recieve. it's sad, but it's true. minorities of all kinds are going to suffer, and alot. we don't get anywhere without a fight. I don't know if it's just me, but isn't that a little hypecritical, saying that minorities don't deserve the threats and hatred you get, when you support slavery (the lowering of the value of a whole race to that below human) and the nazi's (who killed millions so they could have the "perfect" german race)? The two comments just seem to contridict to me. I'm sorry if I'm being offensive, I just don't get how someone could support both views. well, just because i believe in slavery doesn't mean i believe in racial superiority. it's not about race to me. it's about me owning a human being. i don't care if your black, white, red, yellow or brown. if i own you i own you. if your free your free. i have plenty of black friends you know. i'm no racist. slavery hasn't always been about race. think back to the Vikings, the Romans, the Greeks, the Jews, the Egyptians, and various African tribes. they all had slaves. and it wasn't about race for them. it was about the spoils of war, or the law of their gods, or about politics. i support both views, because they are not intrinsically opposed the way you are brought up to think. also, i am not a neo-nazi. o_O; nazi-symapthizer at best, but i don't excuse their actions or goal. hitler got seriously ******** up, and went tottally mental.... alot of men gave in to fear and committed inexcusable crimes of war. the Swastika that i love is the origional Hindu symbol that i grew up around. my stepdad is Hindu you see.
When you say that you own a slave, I assume that you mean a consenting adult who made that life choice and can choose to abandon it at any time, right?
Also, I know that the swastika backwards is a symbol in many Eastern religions, I can't think of the name, are you sure it's not that that you like?
They're two different things.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:16 pm
brainnsoup Chieftain Twilight Sashaajnin Chieftain Twilight Apple, i can understand where you are coming from, trust me on this. i am hated in the same way for a number of different reason. i'm bisexual, i'm "pagan", i'm polyamorous and i own Slaves. i like the Swastika, and i am proud to say that i Honour the Confederate flag. if i were my current age back in the Civil War, i would have gladly fought for the Confederacy. people are not going to just take that lying down. i don't have to be confrontational at all, the typical average joe american wants everyone to be a good little christian or atheist who sings the national anthem to the american flag, and hates everyone who isn't one of them. sorry to say, that in some regards these people are right, you couldn't have expected anything better. but the fact of the matter is that that is exactly why we point out how ******** up it is to these people who hate us. it's why we fight back, in as non-violent a way as we can. we have to prove to them that we are not deserving of the threats and bigotry and hatred that we recieve. it's sad, but it's true. minorities of all kinds are going to suffer, and alot. we don't get anywhere without a fight. I don't know if it's just me, but isn't that a little hypecritical, saying that minorities don't deserve the threats and hatred you get, when you support slavery (the lowering of the value of a whole race to that below human) and the nazi's (who killed millions so they could have the "perfect" german race)? The two comments just seem to contridict to me. I'm sorry if I'm being offensive, I just don't get how someone could support both views. well, just because i believe in slavery doesn't mean i believe in racial superiority. it's not about race to me. it's about me owning a human being. i don't care if your black, white, red, yellow or brown. if i own you i own you. if your free your free. i have plenty of black friends you know. i'm no racist. slavery hasn't always been about race. think back to the Vikings, the Romans, the Greeks, the Jews, the Egyptians, and various African tribes. they all had slaves. and it wasn't about race for them. it was about the spoils of war, or the law of their gods, or about politics. i support both views, because they are not intrinsically opposed the way you are brought up to think. also, i am not a neo-nazi. o_O; nazi-symapthizer at best, but i don't excuse their actions or goal. hitler got seriously ******** up, and went tottally mental.... alot of men gave in to fear and committed inexcusable crimes of war. the Swastika that i love is the origional Hindu symbol that i grew up around. my stepdad is Hindu you see.
When you say that you own a slave, I assume that you mean a consenting adult who made that life choice and can choose to abandon it at any time, right?
Also, I know that the swastika backwards is a symbol in many Eastern religions, I can't think of the name, are you sure it's not that that you like?
They're two different things.it is the original inverted one that i actualy like, yes, srry for the misscommunication. i don't know the name of it. as for the S&M, i am into that as well, as a lifestyle, and i have those kinds of Slaves. but i also believe in actual slavery. i don't believe in right and wrong, but i d still follow a personal code of Honour, and i would never mistreat any slave of mine, and i would fight to protect any other slave from abuse as well.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:24 pm
Chieftain Twilight brainnsoup Chieftain Twilight Sashaajnin Chieftain Twilight Apple, i can understand where you are coming from, trust me on this. i am hated in the same way for a number of different reason. i'm bisexual, i'm "pagan", i'm polyamorous and i own Slaves. i like the Swastika, and i am proud to say that i Honour the Confederate flag. if i were my current age back in the Civil War, i would have gladly fought for the Confederacy. people are not going to just take that lying down. i don't have to be confrontational at all, the typical average joe american wants everyone to be a good little christian or atheist who sings the national anthem to the american flag, and hates everyone who isn't one of them. sorry to say, that in some regards these people are right, you couldn't have expected anything better. but the fact of the matter is that that is exactly why we point out how ******** up it is to these people who hate us. it's why we fight back, in as non-violent a way as we can. we have to prove to them that we are not deserving of the threats and bigotry and hatred that we recieve. it's sad, but it's true. minorities of all kinds are going to suffer, and alot. we don't get anywhere without a fight. I don't know if it's just me, but isn't that a little hypecritical, saying that minorities don't deserve the threats and hatred you get, when you support slavery (the lowering of the value of a whole race to that below human) and the nazi's (who killed millions so they could have the "perfect" german race)? The two comments just seem to contridict to me. I'm sorry if I'm being offensive, I just don't get how someone could support both views. well, just because i believe in slavery doesn't mean i believe in racial superiority. it's not about race to me. it's about me owning a human being. i don't care if your black, white, red, yellow or brown. if i own you i own you. if your free your free. i have plenty of black friends you know. i'm no racist. slavery hasn't always been about race. think back to the Vikings, the Romans, the Greeks, the Jews, the Egyptians, and various African tribes. they all had slaves. and it wasn't about race for them. it was about the spoils of war, or the law of their gods, or about politics. i support both views, because they are not intrinsically opposed the way you are brought up to think. also, i am not a neo-nazi. o_O; nazi-symapthizer at best, but i don't excuse their actions or goal. hitler got seriously ******** up, and went tottally mental.... alot of men gave in to fear and committed inexcusable crimes of war. the Swastika that i love is the origional Hindu symbol that i grew up around. my stepdad is Hindu you see.
When you say that you own a slave, I assume that you mean a consenting adult who made that life choice and can choose to abandon it at any time, right?
Also, I know that the swastika backwards is a symbol in many Eastern religions, I can't think of the name, are you sure it's not that that you like?
They're two different things.it is the original inverted one that i actualy like, yes, srry for the misscommunication. i don't know the name of it. as for the S&M, i am into that as well, as a lifestyle, and i have those kinds of Slaves. but i also believe in actual slavery. i don't believe in right and wrong, but i d still follow a personal code of Honour, and i would never mistreat any slave of mine, and i would fight to protect any other slave from abuse as well.
But that's not the same as slavery in history. They couldn't quit or decide to stop. And they were forced into it in the first place.
Also, you have an ideal image of the relationship between servant and master. But if history has taught us anything on the subject is that the strong will abuse the weak more often than not. Nobles let peasants starve. Men beat their illiterate wives who could not support themselves alone. And slave-owners mistreated their slaves.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:46 pm
brainnsoup Chieftain Twilight brainnsoup Chieftain Twilight Sashaajnin Chieftain Twilight Apple, i can understand where you are coming from, trust me on this. i am hated in the same way for a number of different reason. i'm bisexual, i'm "pagan", i'm polyamorous and i own Slaves. i like the Swastika, and i am proud to say that i Honour the Confederate flag. if i were my current age back in the Civil War, i would have gladly fought for the Confederacy. people are not going to just take that lying down. i don't have to be confrontational at all, the typical average joe american wants everyone to be a good little christian or atheist who sings the national anthem to the american flag, and hates everyone who isn't one of them. sorry to say, that in some regards these people are right, you couldn't have expected anything better. but the fact of the matter is that that is exactly why we point out how ******** up it is to these people who hate us. it's why we fight back, in as non-violent a way as we can. we have to prove to them that we are not deserving of the threats and bigotry and hatred that we recieve. it's sad, but it's true. minorities of all kinds are going to suffer, and alot. we don't get anywhere without a fight. I don't know if it's just me, but isn't that a little hypecritical, saying that minorities don't deserve the threats and hatred you get, when you support slavery (the lowering of the value of a whole race to that below human) and the nazi's (who killed millions so they could have the "perfect" german race)? The two comments just seem to contridict to me. I'm sorry if I'm being offensive, I just don't get how someone could support both views. well, just because i believe in slavery doesn't mean i believe in racial superiority. it's not about race to me. it's about me owning a human being. i don't care if your black, white, red, yellow or brown. if i own you i own you. if your free your free. i have plenty of black friends you know. i'm no racist. slavery hasn't always been about race. think back to the Vikings, the Romans, the Greeks, the Jews, the Egyptians, and various African tribes. they all had slaves. and it wasn't about race for them. it was about the spoils of war, or the law of their gods, or about politics. i support both views, because they are not intrinsically opposed the way you are brought up to think. also, i am not a neo-nazi. o_O; nazi-symapthizer at best, but i don't excuse their actions or goal. hitler got seriously ******** up, and went tottally mental.... alot of men gave in to fear and committed inexcusable crimes of war. the Swastika that i love is the origional Hindu symbol that i grew up around. my stepdad is Hindu you see.
When you say that you own a slave, I assume that you mean a consenting adult who made that life choice and can choose to abandon it at any time, right?
Also, I know that the swastika backwards is a symbol in many Eastern religions, I can't think of the name, are you sure it's not that that you like?
They're two different things.it is the original inverted one that i actualy like, yes, srry for the misscommunication. i don't know the name of it. as for the S&M, i am into that as well, as a lifestyle, and i have those kinds of Slaves. but i also believe in actual slavery. i don't believe in right and wrong, but i d still follow a personal code of Honour, and i would never mistreat any slave of mine, and i would fight to protect any other slave from abuse as well.
But that's not the same as slavery in history. They couldn't quit or decide to stop. And they were forced into it in the first place.
Also, you have an ideal image of the relationship between servant and master. But if history has taught us anything on the subject is that the strong will abuse the weak more often than not. Nobles let peasants starve. Men beat their illiterate wives who could not support themselves alone. And slave-owners mistreated their slaves.yes, but in some cultures these actions were punishable by law, and i would make it so as well. unnesesary damage would mean that one does not deserve to have live property, same as people who abuse livestock don't deserve to keep that livestock. and i certainly still consider slaves to be humans with all the legal rights that that would consitute. things though such as say a Master raping a slave he owns is his business. as long as he isn't seriously hurting her, that would be perfectly legal, since for his slave to deny him would be to basicaly steal from him. i don't have anything against forcing a person into slavery if you have won that in some way.such as a money debt, a legal sale, or as spoils of war. heck, even in a dual to the death, if you have made a man a widower by killing him, his wife and kids are fair game. we're realy getting off subject, arn't we? ._.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:34 pm
Chieftain Twilight Sashaajnin Chieftain Twilight Apple, i can understand where you are coming from, trust me on this. i am hated in the same way for a number of different reason. i'm bisexual, i'm "pagan", i'm polyamorous and i own Slaves. i like the Swastika, and i am proud to say that i Honour the Confederate flag. if i were my current age back in the Civil War, i would have gladly fought for the Confederacy. people are not going to just take that lying down. i don't have to be confrontational at all, the typical average joe american wants everyone to be a good little christian or atheist who sings the national anthem to the american flag, and hates everyone who isn't one of them. sorry to say, that in some regards these people are right, you couldn't have expected anything better. but the fact of the matter is that that is exactly why we point out how ******** up it is to these people who hate us. it's why we fight back, in as non-violent a way as we can. we have to prove to them that we are not deserving of the threats and bigotry and hatred that we recieve. it's sad, but it's true. minorities of all kinds are going to suffer, and alot. we don't get anywhere without a fight. I don't know if it's just me, but isn't that a little hypecritical, saying that minorities don't deserve the threats and hatred you get, when you support slavery (the lowering of the value of a whole race to that below human) and the nazi's (who killed millions so they could have the "perfect" german race)? The two comments just seem to contridict to me. I'm sorry if I'm being offensive, I just don't get how someone could support both views. well, just because i believe in slavery doesn't mean i believe in racial superiority. it's not about race to me. it's about me owning a human being. i don't care if your black, white, red, yellow or brown. if i own you i own you. if your free your free. i have plenty of black friends you know. i'm no racist. slavery hasn't always been about race. think back to the Vikings, the Romans, the Greeks, the Jews, the Egyptians, and various African tribes. they all had slaves. and it wasn't about race for them. it was about the spoils of war, or the law of their gods, or about politics. i support both views, because they are not intrinsically opposed the way you are brought up to think. also, i am not a neo-nazi. o_O; nazi-symapthizer at best, but i don't excuse their actions or goal. hitler got seriously ******** up, and went tottally mental.... alot of men gave in to fear and committed inexcusable crimes of war. the Swastika that i love is the origional Hindu symbol that i grew up around. my stepdad is Hindu you see.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:34 pm
Chieftain Twilight brainnsoup Chieftain Twilight brainnsoup Chieftain Twilight well, just because i believe in slavery doesn't mean i believe in racial superiority. it's not about race to me. it's about me owning a human being. i don't care if your black, white, red, yellow or brown. if i own you i own you. if your free your free. i have plenty of black friends you know. i'm no racist. slavery hasn't always been about race. think back to the Vikings, the Romans, the Greeks, the Jews, the Egyptians, and various African tribes. they all had slaves. and it wasn't about race for them. it was about the spoils of war, or the law of their gods, or about politics. i support both views, because they are not intrinsically opposed the way you are brought up to think. also, i am not a neo-nazi. o_O; nazi-symapthizer at best, but i don't excuse their actions or goal. hitler got seriously ******** up, and went tottally mental.... alot of men gave in to fear and committed inexcusable crimes of war. the Swastika that i love is the origional Hindu symbol that i grew up around. my stepdad is Hindu you see.
When you say that you own a slave, I assume that you mean a consenting adult who made that life choice and can choose to abandon it at any time, right?
Also, I know that the swastika backwards is a symbol in many Eastern religions, I can't think of the name, are you sure it's not that that you like?
They're two different things.it is the original inverted one that i actualy like, yes, srry for the misscommunication. i don't know the name of it. as for the S&M, i am into that as well, as a lifestyle, and i have those kinds of Slaves. but i also believe in actual slavery. i don't believe in right and wrong, but i d still follow a personal code of Honour, and i would never mistreat any slave of mine, and i would fight to protect any other slave from abuse as well.
But that's not the same as slavery in history. They couldn't quit or decide to stop. And they were forced into it in the first place.
Also, you have an ideal image of the relationship between servant and master. But if history has taught us anything on the subject is that the strong will abuse the weak more often than not. Nobles let peasants starve. Men beat their illiterate wives who could not support themselves alone. And slave-owners mistreated their slaves.yes, but in some cultures these actions were punishable by law, and i would make it so as well. unnesesary damage would mean that one does not deserve to have live property, same as people who abuse livestock don't deserve to keep that livestock. and i certainly still consider slaves to be humans with all the legal rights that that would consitute. things though such as say a Master raping a slave he owns is his business. as long as he isn't seriously hurting her, that would be perfectly legal, since for his slave to deny him would be to basicaly steal from him. i don't have anything against forcing a person into slavery if you have won that in some way.such as a money debt, a legal sale, or as spoils of war. heck, even in a dual to the death, if you have made a man a widower by killing him, his wife and kids are fair game. we're realy getting off subject, arn't we? ._.
And how is rape seriously better than other forms of physical abuse? I guess, put yourself in the prisoner's shoes. Would you think it fair if you were the plaything of whoever happens to be stronger than you?
Also, I don't mean to strawman you, but it disturbs me that all of the slaves in your examples are women and the masters men.
If society dissolved into one where strength rules and I lose my husband in war, you can bet that I'd fight long before becoming "fair game".
Not that it's practical anyway. But yes, we are getting off topic. It's an interesting discussion though, and I'll continue it over PM if you want.
Or you can make another thread but I highly doubt you'll get anyone else to agree with you that slavery in almost any form is a good thing.
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:37 pm
To the off-topicness...the original swastika was actually a symbol in peace for Vikings, strangely enough. & slavery is a touchy subject. For slaves, back in Muhammad's times, they were "owned" by their masters, but they were provided with protection & means of survival as well in exchange for whatever the master asked of them. It's something to read about. Lots of slavery has been unfair though. I don't think I'd ever wish to own someone & in this time & age, slavery is entirely unfair. I won't push the issue further since it is, indeed, off-topic.
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