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 Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:13 pm
kita44 So what you're saying is that, yes bisexuality is a sin, because in definition with the bible homo/bi/etc... -sexuality is the action? And in the last verse you quoted, are you trying to reference to my 'lusting' for women? Or just lust in general, saying that all lust is sinful no matter what gender it's directed to? You read into the wrong part of what I highlighted. What I specifically wanted you to see was the "Natural relations for unnatural" @ Mistress and Lost. While your input is appreciated I would prefer if you didn't post opinion. If you post, make sure to include biblical cannon. This isn't a place to point fingers. Or to point out individuals sins. This is a safe place for people to come and ask questions. @Kita the question of whether or not its extra sinful the answer is no. Lust and Murder are equally sinful. No sin is more sinful than another. The only reasons sins have any sort of level is for civil and criminal law in countries in order to provide punishments for those who commit heinous acts such as murder.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:49 pm
I apologize, I wasn't trying to point fingers or anything, but it is impossible for something to be 'extra-sinful' or something to be more sinful than something else. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death the price for all sin is eternal damnation, that's of course why Jesus died in the first place
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:11 pm
Lost Journeyer I apologize, I wasn't trying to point fingers or anything, but it is impossible for something to be 'extra-sinful' or something to be more sinful than something else. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death the price for all sin is eternal damnation, that's of course why Jesus died in the first place That's what I said. and I know you weren't but I was making a general statement to all others posting here
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:48 pm
Hmmm... Does the unnatural vs. natural thing really matter though? Because lusting is lusting either way?
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:04 pm
It says in the Bible that all sins are sins. None is worse than another. This is excluding blaspheme of course which, in doing so, you will be committing the ultimate sin. In the Bible it reads that this is the only sin that is outright the worst. All others are simply sin in God's eyes that can be washed away. Sorry for the over clarification but when you said, "extra-sinful" I noticed and wanted to help you out. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:02 pm
kita44 Hmmm... Does the unnatural vs. natural thing really matter though? Because lusting is lusting either way? I wanted you to see the natural vs unnatural because it was because of their lust that they traded natural relationships for unnatural. Natural relationships being straight relationships, unnatural being anything else. And you're right, lust is lust. The point of the unnatural vs natural was to answer your question on whether or not bi/homosexuality was a sin
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:06 pm
ForgetTheHorizon It says in the Bible that all sins are sins. None is worse than another. This is excluding blaspheme of course which, in doing so, you will be committing the ultimate sin. In the Bible it reads that this is the only sin that is outright the worst. All others are simply sin in God's eyes that can be washed away. Sorry for the over clarification but when you said, "extra-sinful" I noticed and wanted to help you out. biggrin The thing about blasphemy however is that the Bible doesn't really specify why it's more sinful and I would argue that it's not really more sinful. The Bible calls it the unforgivable sin, the reasons behind why its unforgivable we don't know. We don't know if its because the sinner can't forgive themselves or if its for another reason
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:16 pm
Well either way it is the only sin that is unforgivable, which makes it, in simple terms, the ultimate sin.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:28 pm
Friar Thomas kita44 Hmmm... Does the unnatural vs. natural thing really matter though? Because lusting is lusting either way? I wanted you to see the natural vs unnatural because it was because of their lust that they traded natural relationships for unnatural. Natural relationships being straight relationships, unnatural being anything else. And you're right, lust is lust. The point of the unnatural vs natural was to answer your question on whether or not bi/homosexuality was a sin And yet I still don't understand why natural vs. unnatural means anything other than it's not natural.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:42 pm
kita44 Friar Thomas kita44 Hmmm... Does the unnatural vs. natural thing really matter though? Because lusting is lusting either way? I wanted you to see the natural vs unnatural because it was because of their lust that they traded natural relationships for unnatural. Natural relationships being straight relationships, unnatural being anything else. And you're right, lust is lust. The point of the unnatural vs natural was to answer your question on whether or not bi/homosexuality was a sin And yet I still don't understand why natural vs. unnatural means anything other than it's not natural. Natural and unnatural in other words are right and wrong. Natural = right; unnatural = wrong If that verse isn't good enough for you this one should be 1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:17 am
Mk. Next question.
What about dating? I've heard a lot of Christians talk about dating. Some believe it's ok, some say that God will give you your 'mate' and to just wait. What does the bible say?
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:06 pm
kita44 Mk. Next question. What about dating? I've heard a lot of Christians talk about dating. Some believe it's ok, some say that God will give you your 'mate' and to just wait. What does the bible say? Unfortunately there is nothing in relation to dating in the Bible. The reason being simply that people never dated. Marriages were arranged by parents and often times the women had no choice in the matter. Often times children didn't meet the person they were going to marry until the wedding day. Now with that there is some recommendations found in the Bible regarding attitudes of the people involved in relationships, especially outside of marriage Quote: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Quote: Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure Quote: to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God. Quote: Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Quote: These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. And Paul says this: Quote: Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. So while it doesn't say you shouldn't date what you should get from this is that if you choose to date you should remain pure within your dating experience, and paul says it's better to remain unmarried ut if you can't control your desires to get married. Now... remember that is Paul's opinion
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:13 pm
mistress_hydro kita44 Lost Journeyer well by definition all lust is sin. Matthew 5:28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (NIV) Well yeah, but he hilighted the part of men lusting for men, so I'm asking him if he ment it's 'extra-sinful' to lust for the same sex. i think it is, men and women are ment to be with each other, not any other way. I think its no good unless its a man and a woman
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:11 pm
Friar Thomas ForgetTheHorizon It says in the Bible that all sins are sins. None is worse than another. This is excluding blaspheme of course which, in doing so, you will be committing the ultimate sin. In the Bible it reads that this is the only sin that is outright the worst. All others are simply sin in God's eyes that can be washed away. Sorry for the over clarification but when you said, "extra-sinful" I noticed and wanted to help you out. biggrin The thing about blasphemy however is that the Bible doesn't really specify why it's more sinful and I would argue that it's not really more sinful. The Bible calls it the unforgivable sin, the reasons behind why its unforgivable we don't know. We don't know if its because the sinner can't forgive themselves or if its for another reason One theory that I have discussed with some on why it is the unforgivable sin is this: With all other sins, you can be forgiven, even when you still have issues with the sin. It's not and all or nothing thing. If you are repentant and accepting of the forgiveness, you can receive forgiveness while you still struggle. The problem with blasphemy is that you deny that forgiveness and so while you are still sinning in that way it is unforgivable because you have rejected the forgiveness. once it is ceased is it forgivable but not before that.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:27 pm
singin4Christ Friar Thomas ForgetTheHorizon It says in the Bible that all sins are sins. None is worse than another. This is excluding blaspheme of course which, in doing so, you will be committing the ultimate sin. In the Bible it reads that this is the only sin that is outright the worst. All others are simply sin in God's eyes that can be washed away. Sorry for the over clarification but when you said, "extra-sinful" I noticed and wanted to help you out. biggrin The thing about blasphemy however is that the Bible doesn't really specify why it's more sinful and I would argue that it's not really more sinful. The Bible calls it the unforgivable sin, the reasons behind why its unforgivable we don't know. We don't know if its because the sinner can't forgive themselves or if its for another reason One theory that I have discussed with some on why it is the unforgivable sin is this: With all other sins, you can be forgiven, even when you still have issues with the sin. It's not and all or nothing thing. If you are repentant and accepting of the forgiveness, you can receive forgiveness while you still struggle. The problem with blasphemy is that you deny that forgiveness and so while you are still sinning in that way it is unforgivable because you have rejected the forgiveness. once it is ceased is it forgivable but not before that. It's definitely a good theory
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