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well one thing i might like to say is that one can't truly go by the word of the bible. it was technically written by a human being. and i see your point that it never actually says that its a sin. and the general assortment of people do seem to only use eisegesis to validate their own beliefs.

this.


i'm gonna read this more thoroughly and then leave my comments. it looks like most of what i think is here, so... yeah. ><

it's nice to see a thread like this and not one just complaining about religion, for a change.

edit: so yeah, i pretty much agree with what's said here - the moral guidance offered by the bible is often lost in translation or bastardised to meet the ideals of a condemning minority.

with religion in general, i don't know what i believe. i do think that there would have been at least some prejudice against homosexuality in the times of early christianity, and through that i think that some of these prejudices would have been carried through to the bible (as i've said, i believe the bible to be moral guidelines - and since the bible was written by man, this seems logical to me). i don't believe it to be as huge of a moral transgression as some people abuse the bible to make it seem. that said, as you pointed out, there are an awful lot of teachings that have been dropped by modern christianity to suit modern values and life.

the only thing i didn't agree with was your mentioning of sexuality being a big deal to a large group of religious people. as i've already mentioned elsewhere in the guild, i believe the hatred surrounding alternative sexualities is only found in a minority, but since this minority make the most noise over the issue the rest of the religious following get a tainted name.

what upsets me the most with issues like this is that so many of the glbt community turn away from their religion because of it, and so many atheists use it as a reason to patronise religion as being decadent and juvenile in the scale of evolution. religion is important, it was the first foot-hold for science and curiosity, and even if the lessons in the holy documents aren't true, they would still be wonderful stories of morals, love and tragedy. why use them as something hurtful in any case?


yeah. tangent there, but that's what i think. ^^

I am very impressed at how you've put this all together! It's nice to see the other side of this issue, when I've heard so much from those who prejudice against homosexuality. I'm a strong believer in God, yet with so much controversy over the bible's judgement of homosexuality, I was starting to doubt the book as a whole, and simply look to my church and myself for my views. This has really helped me to realize how much the words of the bible have been twisted, and now I can have a strong opinion on the issue and actually know what I'm talking about! So thanks! mrgreen

I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?

To add to the Leviticus point the word toevah refers to things that aren't clean. In other words things that are just not kosher. To further this point, shellfish, pork, women's menstration cycles, etc are all listed as abominations in Leviticus.

The bible itself doesn't condemn homosexuality and it never has really. All it condemns is inhospitality, prostitution, orgies, bestiality, a**l sex, oral sex, etc. And well sex before marriage in general.

What's interesting for Catholics is that the Catchechism says that homosexuality isn't a sin. However it calls for homosexuals, like heterosexuals to be celibate.

I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan

You know I would never follow by the bible the bible is not the word of god some human man made it so your believing what he want's you to believe so dont give in to what anyone says if they want to bring religion into it remember the only unforgivable sin is homocide

Eve if the Bible said gays are bad, it should not matter since we should not let a story book rule our lives and think for ourselves. That is all I will say since anything else I say that I think should be said will get me in trouble.